The Contemporary English Version, or CEV, has helped many of us understand more about the KJV’s biases, but the fact that they too participated in the slaughter of the Greek word “adelphos” just as the “TEV” version did, makes them lower than low.  Not only do these jew-inspired or jew-controlled “translators” contribute to the HATE of the true brethren of Rebeca’s womb, to the HATE of the sheer concept of racial purity, to the HATRED of the White Race [even by self-HATING “whites” ], but by changing such a fundamental principle under God’s LAW, they blaspheme the Word of God:

 

1 John 4:20  But if we say we love God and don't love each other, we are liars. We cannot see God. So how can we love God, if we don't love the people we can see?

 

<<<If we say we love God but hate others we are liars>>>

<<<St John said, "If we say we love God, but hate others, we are liars. For we cannot love God, whom we have not seen, if we do not love others, whom we have seen."(1 John 4:20 TEV)>>>

 

THAT is blasphemy.  But the CEV compounds the error when it shows its own IDIOCY, it’s own PREJUDICES, its own AMORALITY, when they are finally FORCED to admit that “adelphos” DOES mean brother in verses where they just can’t force the word “others” to fit.  Out of 346 occurrences of “adelphos” in the “new” testament, even they translate it as “brother” or “brothers” 95 times, but NEVER as “brethren” :

 

Matthew 1:2  From Abraham to King David, his ancestors were: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah and his brothers (Judah's sons were Perez and Zerah, and their mother was Tamar), Hezron; Ram, Amminadab, Nahshon, Salmon, Boaz (his mother was Rahab), Obed (his mother was Ruth), Jesse, and King David.

 

Isn’t it nice that they didn’t call his brothers just “others” in this verse );

 

So now it’s time to set the record straight.  This is how that HATE mongers’ words must read:

 

<<<If we say we love God but hate [brethren of Rebeca’s womb] we are liars>>>

 

What worse HATRED of the Word of God could there be than to claim that God LIED when He promised Jacob his descendants would be a multitude like the sands by the sea, when He promised Abraham an everlasting covenant through Jacob, that Jesus LIED when He said He came ONLY for the House of Israel, that every nigger IS an heir and NO White man is, that the ONLY Israelites today are either jews or “spiritual” Israelites [neither of whom are what God promised]?

 

John Knight

 

From: HistoricalFiguresFanClub@yahoogroups.com [mailto:HistoricalFiguresFanClub@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Israel
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:51 PM
To: Jacob Israel
Cc: jewsareedom@yahoogroups.com; christiandentity@yahoogroups.com; thespiritofjacob@yahoogroups.com; TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com; davidicke2@yahoogroups.com; identity@yahoogroups.com; hilloftorah@yahoogroups.com; israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com; Israelites@yahoogroups.com; houseisrael@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [HistoricalFiguresFanClub] Re: "adelphos" is BROTHER, never "other", and NOT nigger

 



NOTE that the KJV itself translated "adelphos" as "brethren" 226 times, "brother" 113 times, brother's 7 times and NEVER "other", putting a LIE to every WORD ever spoken by a kikeaholic FOREVER.

 

John Knight

----- Original Message -----

From: Jacob Israel

To: Jacob Israel

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:41 PM

Subject: "adelphos" is BROTHER, never "other", and NOT nigger

 

<<<Kind of contradicting yourself, JK, aren't you? Why would I stand behind something that's a "PROVEN LIE"?  That would make no sense at all.>>>

 

No translator in the WORLD, no Greek speaker in the WORLD, no Koine Greek scholar in the WORLD, agrees with you kikeaholics that the GREEK word "adelphos" EVER means "other".  They ALL know it means ONE thing, "brother", and SPECIFICALLY one from the same WOMB [in this case, the womb of Rebakah, whose descendants BOTH Paul and Jesus refer to as "begotten of the spirit"]:

 

G80
ἀδελφός
adelphos
ad-el-fos'
From G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphus (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like [H1]): - brother.

 

"Adelphos" is NEVER EVER translated by ANYBODY as "other", EVER, not even by the KJV which your "church" had [or CLAIMS to have had] control over for more than to MILLENNIA now.

 

 

G80
ἀδελφός
adelphos
Total KJV Occurrences: 346
brethren, 226
Mat_1:2, Mat_1:11, Mat_4:18, Mat_4:21, Mat_5:47, Mat_12:46-49 (4), Mat_13:55, Mat_19:29, Mat_22:24-25 (2), Mat_23:8, Mat_25:40, Mat_28:10, Mar_3:31-34 (4), Mar_10:29-30 (2), Mar_12:20, Luk_8:19-21 (3), Luk_14:12, Luk_14:26, Luk_20:28-29 (3), Luk_21:16, Luk_22:32, Joh_2:12, Joh_7:3, Joh_7:5, Joh_7:10, Joh_20:17, Joh_21:23, Act_1:14, Act_1:16, Act_2:29, Act_2:37, Act_3:17, Act_3:22, Act_6:3, Act_7:2, Act_7:13, Act_7:23, Act_7:25-26 (2), Act_7:37, Act_9:30, Act_10:23, Act_11:1, Act_11:12, Act_11:29, Act_12:17, Act_13:15, Act_13:26, Act_13:38, Act_14:2, Act_15:1, Act_15:3, Act_15:7, Act_15:13, Act_15:22-23 (3), Act_15:32-33 (2), Act_15:36, Act_15:40, Act_16:2, Act_16:40, Act_17:6, Act_17:10, Act_17:14, Act_18:18, Act_18:27, Act_20:32, Act_21:7, Act_21:17, Act_22:1, Act_22:5, Act_23:1, Act_23:5-6 (2), Act_28:14-15 (2), Act_28:17, Act_28:21, Rom_1:13, Rom_7:1, Rom_7:4, Rom_8:12, Rom_8:29, Rom_9:3, Rom_10:1, Rom_11:25, Rom_12:1, Rom_15:14-15 (2), Rom_15:30, Rom_16:14, Rom_16:17, 1Co_1:10-11 (2), 1Co_1:26, 1Co_3:1 (2), 1Co_4:6, 1Co_6:5, 1Co_6:8, 1Co_7:24, 1Co_7:29, 1Co_8:12, 1Co_9:5, 1Co_11:1-2 (2), 1Co_11:33, 1Co_12:1, 1Co_14:6, 1Co_14:20, 1Co_14:26, 1Co_14:39, 1Co_15:1, 1Co_15:6, 1Co_15:50, 1Co_15:58, 1Co_16:11-12 (2), 1Co_16:15, 1Co_16:20, 2Co_1:8, 2Co_8:1, 2Co_8:23, 2Co_9:3, 2Co_9:5, 2Co_11:9, 2Co_13:11, Gal_1:2, Gal_1:11, Gal_3:15, Gal_4:12, Gal_4:28, Gal_4:31, Gal_5:11, Gal_5:13, Gal_6:1, Gal_6:18, Eph_6:10, Eph_6:23, Phi_1:12, Phi_1:14, Phi_3:1, Phi_3:13, Phi_3:17, Phi_4:1, Phi_4:8, Phi_4:21, Col_1:2, Col_4:15, 1Th_1:4, 1Th_2:1, 1Th_2:9, 1Th_2:14, 1Th_2:17, 1Th_3:7, 1Th_4:1, 1Th_4:10 (2), 1Th_4:13, 1Th_5:1, 1Th_5:4, 1Th_5:12, 1Th_5:14, 1Th_5:25-27 (3), 2Th_1:3, 2Th_2:1, 2Th_2:13, 2Th_2:15, 2Th_3:1, 2Th_3:6, 2Th_3:13, 1Ti_4:6, 1Ti_6:1-2 (2), 2Ti_4:21, Heb_2:11-12 (2), Heb_2:17, Heb_3:1, Heb_3:12, Heb_7:5, Heb_10:19, Heb_13:22, Jam_1:2, Jam_1:16, Jam_1:19, Jam_2:1, Jam_2:5, Jam_2:14, Jam_3:1, Jam_3:10, Jam_3:12, Jam_4:11, Jam_5:7, Jam_5:9-10 (2), Jam_5:12, Jam_5:19, 2Pe_1:10, 1Jo_2:7, 1Jo_3:13-14 (2), 1Jo_3:16, 3Jo_1:3, 3Jo_1:5, 3Jo_1:10, Rev_6:11, Rev_19:10 (2), Rev_22:9
brother, 113
Mat_4:18, Mat_5:21-24 (5), Mat_7:4, Mat_10:2 (2), Mat_10:21 (2), Mat_12:50, Mat_14:3, Mat_17:1, Mat_18:15 (2), Mat_18:21, Mat_18:35, Mat_22:24-25 (3), Mar_1:16, Mar_1:19, Mar_3:17, Mar_3:35, Mar_5:37, Mar_6:3, Mar_6:17, Mar_12:19 (3), Mar_13:12 (2), Luk_3:1, Luk_3:19, Luk_6:14, Luk_6:42 (2), Luk_12:13, Luk_15:27, Luk_15:32, Luk_17:3, Luk_20:28 (3), Joh_1:40-41 (2), Joh_6:8, Joh_11:2, Joh_11:19, Joh_11:21, Joh_11:23, Joh_11:32, Act_9:17, Act_12:2, Act_21:20, Act_22:13, Rom_14:10 (2), Rom_14:15, Rom_14:21, Rom_16:23, 1Co_1:1, 1Co_5:11, 1Co_6:6 (2), 1Co_7:12, 1Co_7:15, 1Co_8:11, 1Co_8:13 (2), 1Co_16:12, 2Co_1:1, 2Co_2:13, 2Co_8:18, 2Co_8:22, 2Co_12:18, Gal_1:19, Eph_6:21, Phi_2:25, Col_1:1, Col_4:7, Col_4:9, 1Th_3:2, 1Th_4:6, 2Th_3:6, 2Th_3:15, Phm_1:1, Phm_1:7, Phm_1:16, Phm_1:20, Heb_8:11, Heb_13:23, Jam_1:9, Jam_2:15, Jam_4:11 (2), 1Pe_5:12, 2Pe_3:15, 1Jo_2:9-11 (3), 1Jo_3:10, 1Jo_3:12, 1Jo_3:14-15 (2), 1Jo_3:17, 1Jo_4:20-21 (3), 1Jo_5:16, Jud_1:1, Rev_1:9
brother’s, 7
Mat_7:3, Mat_7:5, Mar_6:18, Luk_6:41-42 (2), Rom_14:13, 1Jo_3:12

 

John Knight

 

 

 

 

ps--thanks, AGAIN, for this great demonstration of how GOOD your "church" is at BRAINWASHING--yours has been completely, totally, irreversibly flushed out.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Faith Full

To: Jacob Israel

Cc: JPB ; Jacob Israel ; Virginia F. Raines ; EVEB DEMIAN ; mamzers@yahoogroups.com ; jewsareedom@yahoogroups.com ; thespiritofjacob@yahoogroups.com ; davidicke2@yahoogroups.com ; identity@yahoogroups.com ; christiandentity@yahoogroups.com ; hilloftorah@yahoogroups.com ; israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com ; Israelites@yahoogroups.com ; houseisrael@yahoogroups.com ; TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:16 AM

Subject: [Israelites] Re: God hates Esau and niggers

 

Kind of contradicting yourself, JK, aren't you?

 

Why would I stand behind something that's a "PROVEN LIE"?  That would make no sense at all.

 

I stand behind the truth - which you have blinded yourself to.

 

And excuse me, but we Catholics are not into hating others.  That's strictly your domain - as you have so often said.

 

 

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Jacob Israel <ji@blackexile.com> wrote:

<<<I stand by what I said previously. >>>

 

Of course you stand by it--you filthy pagans stand by ANYTHING that's a PROVEN LIE, just because you KNOW it's a LIE.  And of course the pagan debunked will jump right off the cliff with you.  But NO translator agrees with you foolish PAGANS that the word "adelphos" means "other" rather than "brother"--and we know why you stick with the LIE--it blows your entire White-HATING pagan religion:

 

 

1Jn 4:20

 

(ASV)  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, cannot love God whom he hath not seen.

 

(BBE)  If a man says, I have love for God, and has hate for his brother, his words are false: for how is the man who has no love for his brother whom he has seen, able to have love for God whom he has not seen?

 

(DRB)  If any man say: I love God, and hateth his brother; he is a liar. For he that loveth not his brother whom he seeth, how can he love God whom he seeth not?

 

(GB)  If any man say, I loue God, and hate his brother, he is a liar: for how can he that loueth not his brother whom he hath seene, loue God whom he hath not seene?

 

(KJV)  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

 

(KJV+)  IfG1437 a manG5100 say,G2036 I loveG25 God,G2316 andG2532 hatethG3404 hisG848 brother,G80 he isG2076 a liar:G5583 forG1063 he that lovethG25 notG3361 hisG848 brotherG80 whomG3739 he hath seen,G3708 howG4459 canG1410 he loveG25 GodG2316 whomG3739 he hath notG3756 seen?G3708

 

(KJVA)  If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

 

(LITV)  If anyone says, I love God, and hates his brother, he is a liar. For the one not loving his brother whom he has seen, how is he able to love God whom he has not seen?

 

(RSV)  If any one says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

 

(YLT)  if any one may say--`I love God,' and his brother he may hate, a liar he is; for he who is not loving his brother whom he hath seen, God--whom he hath not seen--how is he able to love?

 

 

God KNOWS how you LIE by passing around this PAGAN FILTH, and surely has a nice warm place in eternity just for you two NON-brothers:

 

<<<If we say we love God but hate others we are liars

  St John said, "If we say we love God, but hate others, we are liars. For we cannot love God, whom we have not seen, if we do not love others, whom we have seen."(1 John 4:20 TEV)>>>

 

 

John Knight

----- Original Message -----

From: Faith Full

To: JPB

Cc: Jacob Israel ; TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com ; houseisrael@yahoogroups.com ; Israelites@yahoogroups.com ; israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com ; hilloftorah@yahoogroups.com ; christiandentity@yahoogroups.com ; identity@yahoogroups.com ; davidicke2@yahoogroups.com ; thespiritofjacob@yahoogroups.com ; jewsareedom@yahoogroups.com ; mamzers@yahoogroups.com ; EVEB DEMIAN ; Virginia F. Raines ; Jacob Israel ; Jacob Israel ; Jacob Israel ; Jacob Israel

Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 12:11 PM

Subject: Re: God hates Esau and niggers

 

I certainly would, and if I was born into JK's family, knowing how he hates woman, can you imagine how much abuse I would have to put up with as a female family member?   Particularly as he feels the Bible backs him up and justifies his bad conduct.

 

 

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:29 PM, JPB <debunks@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

If you had been born in his family you'd probably be crying on Oprah's shoulders right now.  Val, your words ring straight and true.  Jesus said:

 

(Joh 15:16)

You did not choose Me, but I chose you, and appointed you, that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, so that whatever you may ask the Father in My name He may give to you.

 

Consider yourself blessed.  Undoubtedly due to the prayers and faithfulness of your ancestors, too.

 

-------Original Message-------

 

From: Faith Full

Date: 9/26/2008 12:52:37 PM

To: Jacob Israel

Cc: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com;  Debunks;  houseisrael@yahoogroups.com;  Israelites@yahoogroups.com;  israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com;  hilloftorah@yahoogroups.com;  christiandentity@yahoogroups.com;  identity@yahoogroups.com;  davidicke2@yahoogroups.com;  thespiritofjacob@yahoogroups.com;  jewsareedom@yahoogroups.com;  mamzers@yahoogroups.com;  EVEB DEMIAN;  Virginia F. Raines;  Jacob Israel;  Jacob Israel;  Jacob Israel;  Jacob Israel

Subject: Re: God hates Esau and niggers

 

I stand by what I said previously.  

 

And I will say this, if I thought for a moment that God felt the way you think He does, hating his creation, promoting racism, saving only white people (ludicrous)  - I'd just give up and become an atheist.  I couldn't bear to belong to such a hate-promoting cult.

 

I thank God every day for looking after me, for ensuring that I got the wonderful Catholic upbringing that I experienced.  It could have been so different.  He might have sent me to YOUR family!  Shudder of shudders!

 

FF

On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Jacob Israel <ji@blackexile.com> wrote:

You know, faith FAKE, it's so nice to have you around, we need a whipping boy.  We greatly appreciate you highlighting just how willing your kikeaholic "friend" was to ALTER the Word of God to make this verse say just the OPPOSITE of what God and Jesus and the entire 12 Disciples and all the Apostles originally INTENDED for it to say:

 

 

<<<"If we say we love God, but hate others, we are liars. For we cannot love God, whom we have not seen, if we do not love others, whom we have seen.">>>

 

The operative word is NOT "others", it's "brethren", which was originally in Greek "adelphos", which is ALWAYS a fellow Israelite, and NEVER a non-Israelite [and specifically in this case, a fellow Israelite ONLY of the House of ISRAEL].  "others" and "brethren" are almost antipodes to each other:

 

1 John 4:20  If1437 a man5100 say,2036 I love25 God,2316 and2532 hateth3404 his848 brethren,80 he is2076 a liar:5583 for1063 he that loveth25 not3361 his848 brethren80 whom3739 he hath seen,3708 how4459 can1410 he love25 God2316 whom3739 he hath not3756 seen?3708

 

Even if you don't understand Strong's numbers [like the little 80 above "brethren"], you MUST have some sense for what an EGREGIOUS switch your "friend" made.  Note the following definition of "adelphos" :

 

 

G80

ἀδελφός

adelphos

ad-el-fos'

From G1 (as a connective particle) and δελφύς delphus (the womb); a brother (literally or figuratively) near or remote (much like [H1]): - brother.

 

Let's have Paul himself explain explicitly to you what HE means when he uses the word "adelphos":

 

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For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: Romans 9:3

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Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Romans 9:4

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Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen. Romans 9:5

 

Who are his "adelphos"? 

 

·         "Kinsmen according to the FLESH", not just any nigger or Edomite!

·         "who are Israelites"!

·         "who are heirs to  the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises"!

·         ONLY to "whom … Christ came"!

 

Do you REALLY not know why God calls you a LIAR?

 

John Knight

 

From: Faith Full [mailto:alecoque33@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:52 PM
To: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com; Debunks
Cc: EVEB DEMIAN; Virginia F. Raines; Jacob Israel; Jacob Israel; Jacob Israel; Jacob Israel; Jacob Israel
Subject: JK thinks God hates his created ones

 

Just to go slightly off topic - on the subject of hate, look at what a friend sent me today!

 

FF

 

If we say we love God but hate others we are liars

  St John said, "If we say we love God, but hate others, we are liars. For we cannot love God, whom we have not seen, if we do not love others, whom we have seen."(1 John 4:20 TEV)

  Jesus tells us that God Himself "is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked" (Luke 6:35 NJB) and "makes His sun to shine on bad and good people alike, and gives rain to those who do good and to those who do evil." (Matthew 5:45 TEV) Jesus shows us His love even when we are difficult and unreasonable, abusive and manipulative, hot-tempered and resentful towards others. Jesus is able to love us in spite of these lousy traits in us because Jesus does not see us with normal human eyes. He sees us as Beloved children of God. We are precious to Jesus and are loved with an everlasting love by Him. Yet, we ourselves find it most difficult to love an abusive, or exacting, or unreasonable, or irritable, or hot-tempered or manipulative relative or friend or colleague. How to love them? Who wants to be close to them? They tend to become the unloved ones, the unwanted ones, and the uncared ones. Such individuals are undesirable. Some people literally hate them! But, as Christians, we are commanded to love everyone---and God.

     Before we can come to love God, we want to know where God is to our human eyes. God makes it easy for us to know Him in Jesus. Jesus says: "The Father and I are one."(John 10:30 TEV) "Whoever sees Me sees also Him who sent Me."(John 12:45 TEV) St Paul says, "Christ is the visible likeness of the invisible God."(Colossians 1:15 TEV) When Jesus was questioned, "Where is your father?" Jesus answered, "You know neither Me nor my Father. If you knew Me, you would know my Father also."(John 8:19 TEV)

 

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jacob Israel <ji@blackexile.com> wrote:

Dear Terry,

 

You wrote:

 

<<<>> There is only one Adam. The Adam of Gen. 1:27 is the same as the Adam as Gen. 2:7. The Apostle Paul, I believe calls Jesus Christ the second Adam. Also in Christ's genealogy; Jesus Christ  is related to Adam, the Gospel of Luke 3:23-38.>>>

 

Needless to say, this is a heavy topic.  The following is an excerpt from an excellent paper by Arnold Kennedy which can be read in its entirety at http://fathersmanifesto.net/gardenofeden.htm

 

It's a lot of reading, but you might find it one of the most interesting analyses you've seen in a long time. 

 

Before you decide not to, please note that many of us shared the same view you now have and this is what changed their minds:

sixth ERROR. "Genesis One and Two are about the same event".

This is about the highlighted sentence on page 38 of "The Answers Book" which reads, "Genesis chapter two is not a different account of creation – it is a more detailed account of the sixth day of creation". Let us see why this is wrong, starting by answering the following question.

WHEN WAS THE GARDEN OF EDEN?

Without a thought, most people would answer by saying, "Why? At the beginning of course". By "the beginning" they mean something like, "At the beginning of the Bible" as if it had something to do with the first man on earth.

Well, that only seems right since we find what is commonly called the Garden of Eden, is found in the second chapter of Genesis, and is not in the first chapter. It comes after the creation of men and women in Genesis One. But few people know that "Eden" occurs elsewhere in the Bible, and that it occurs concurrently with the Assyrian empire in the Ezekiel 31-32 passage below. Although this passage is symbolic, it immediately calls for a re-think of what we have believed, that is, that the Garden of Eden may not have been "at the beginning". So we will take a look as to when it was. We can see in Genesis 1:27 that men and women (plural) were created and lived upon the earth. But when we come to Genesis Two, we find, "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed" -(Gen. 2:8). "Formed" has a different meaning to "created", so "the man" here has little to do with those in males and females of Genesis One. In Genesis Two we have a "garden" = gan = an enclosure, which was "planted" for one man only in that one part of the earth specified. A "garden", as a planted enclosure, cannot be the whole earth. It was made exclusively for one man, to start with.

When we take a good look into these things, we must conclude that the people created by the Elohim in Genesis 1 are different in many ways to that man, and thus his offspring, formed by Jehovah-Elohim as presented from Genesis 2:4 on. This is why the "Brotherhood of Man" doctrine of the humanists, together with those seduced by them, is not Biblical. Before we look at this further, let us consider the first part of these Ezekiel chapters to get a starting point.

Ezek. 31:1 "And it came to pass in the eleventh year, in the third month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, speak unto Pharaoh king of Egypt, and to his multitude; Whom art thou like in thy greatness? Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs. The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent out her little rivers unto all the trees of the field. Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations. Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. The cedars in the Garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chesnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the Garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the Garden of God, envied him".

There is much symbolism in these passages, such as Kings being like trees, and of "trees" being able to envy. However, from this account, long after the Garden of Eden, we can see that the "Garden of Eden" and "the Garden of God" are being presented as being contemporary with the civilizations mentioned in this passage. There is no reason to say that Ezekiel would be "out of line" with what existed at the time of Genesis Two.

We are going to see a number of other confirmations why The Garden of Eden was not "at the beginning".

SOME OF THESE OTHER CONFIRMATIONS.

In Genesis 2:13-14, we find, "And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia. And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria". Here we find references to nations that existed at the time of the Garden of Eden, and thus before it.

In Genesis 2:8, Where we read, "And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed", the word "eastward" = qedem = 'from that which was aforetime'. This tells us the Garden was different from that which had gone before in Genesis Chapter One. ("Eastward" here is not the same word as "East" in verse 14).

Chapter 1:25 of the book of Jasher (referred to in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18), records, "And Cain hastened and rose up and took the iron part of his ploughing instrument, with which he suddenly smote his brother". Iron is the product of a civilisation, and this indicates the existence of civilisations such as Assyria and Egypt at the time of the Garden of Eden.

(4) The Book of Jasher speaks about the art of writing being known and practiced from the pre-flood period.

(5) Genesis 3:16 says, "And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD". The Book of Jasher confirms this was going from one place to another, "At that time Cain went forth from the presence of the Lord, from the place where he was". This indicates that God's presence was not found outside of the Garden, and that Cain went from one place to another.

(6) The mention of the harp, the organ, iron and brass as early as Genesis 4:21 indicates an earlier period of civilised development.

(7) History, science and archaeology back up the Bible one hundred percent. Skeletons of Whites, Negroes and Asiatics are far different and easily identifiable. Radioactive tests determine the age of these archaeological findings, not to the day or even the year but very close. Skeletons of Negroes have been found in the caves of Kilimanjaro and elsewhere dating back some 74,000 years, and Asiatics have been uncovered dating back almost 1,750,000 years ago. This is very important: no trace of a White Man has ever been found over 7,400 years old, which coincides with the Bible period that gives the white man as being formed about 5,500 B.C.

(8) The ancient Vedic scriptures of India also tell the story of the coming of what they, (and the Bible), call "the holy seed" who are described as being the "tall white ones", and as being "sons of God", a phrase not unknown in both Testaments. But the matter of this "holy seed" (see Ezra 9:2, Isaiah 6:13, Daniel 8:24, 12:7) as the line through Adam-Noah-Abraham-Isaac-Jacob/Israel as "the holy people", (Deut. 7:6, 14:2, 14:21, 28:9, Isaiah. 62:12, Dan. 12:7, etc) is denied today by almost every church, and also by "ANSWERS IN GENESIS".. In Exodus 19:8 and 1 Peter 2:9 these "holy people" are described as "an holy nation". Most of the Bible is about, and is addressed to, this one people. Much of the story of the Bible is about the attempts to destroy this holy seed, primarily by race mixing, and unbelief in whom they are, as God's people. These holy people were conceived that way, and did not become such in the way modern evangelism says.

(9) Chinese records from the flood period, (the reign of King Yao), record floods in the Hwang Ho river, as the Tarim Basin drained. this is the same area mentioned in the Vedic Scriptures where the Sons of God came from. Chinese history was not interrupted by Noah's flood, and neither was that of Egypt, India, South America or Africa, and so the flood did not cover the areas of the globe these were living in.

 

Sincerely,

 

 

John Knight

 

From: israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com [mailto:israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Terry Gabrich
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 12:28 PM
To: israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] niggas try to read "The Mind of God" by Paul Davies

 

John, I don't think your right here. There is only one Adam. The Adam of Gen. 1:27 is the same as the Adam as Gen. 2:7. The Apostle Paul, I believe calls Jesus Christ the second Adam. Also in Christ's genealogy; Jesus Christ  is related to Adam, the Gospel of Luke 3:23-38.

 

-------Original Message-------

 

From: Jacob Israel

Date: 9/25/2008 11:59:53 AM

To: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com;  Faith Full

Cc: jewsareedom@yahoogroups.com;  thespiritofjacob@yahoogroups.com;  davidicke2@yahoogroups.com;  identity@yahoogroups.com;  christiandentity@yahoogroups.com;  hilloftorah@yahoogroups.com;  israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com;  Israelites@yahoogroups.com;  houseisrael@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [israeliteidentity] niggas try to read "The Mind of God" by Paul Davies

 

<<<So how is it that God hates black people, for instance, yet, if YOU originated from a black ancestor (years back - you've been diluted in the meantime colourwise and are blushingly proud), how come God now loves YOU?  You are not pure white.>>>

 

According to SCRIPTURE, and ONLY Scripture [forget "science" for now, even though science backs Scripture PERFECTLY], there were at least three different "gods" [translated from three DIFFERENT Hebrew phrases] who produced three different forms of life:  the "behemah" [read: niggers, but tranlsated as "beasts"] who He "made" in Genesis 1:25, the "first man Adam" [according to Paul] who He "created" in Genesis 1:27, and the second man Adam who He "formed" in Genesis 2:7.

 

Now if you think God cannot do the following, then remember it was God Himself who asked "is anything too difficult for the LORD?":

 

Both Sarah and Rebekah were impregnated by, or were surrogate mothers for, "the LORD".  Neither Abraham nor Isaac were the *genetic* fathers, only "the LORD" was.  If you think He couldn't do that, then you must think He didn't do what He says He did in Genesis 1:25, Genesis 1:27, and Genesis 2:7.

 

 

So, no, Israelites are not genetically linked to niggers.  We aren't even linked to the First Man Adam, NOR the second man Adam.  Syrians, Jordanians, Iranians, Afghans, and Arabs ARE descendants of the SECOND man Adam, but we are NOT, and they are not linked to niggers. Plus you have 42 OTHER Hebrew words which are all translated as "man", but EACH is a DIFFERENT genealogy than niggers, first man Adam, second man Adam, and Israelites. "Enosh" are Asians, "Geber" is translated as "giants" but archeology says these "giants" weren't all that big, "Methim" are yet to be identified that they are NONE of the above, etc.:

 

http://fathersmanifesto.net/adam.htm 

 

By "translating" all of these words as "man", your filthy pagan "church" BLASPHEMED the Word of God.

 

John Knight

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Faith Full

To: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com

Cc: Jacob Israel ; Jacob Israel ; houseisrael@yahoogroups.com ; Israelites@yahoogroups.com ; israeliteidentity@yahoogroups.com ; hilloftorah@yahoogroups.com ; christiandentity@yahoogroups.com ; identity@yahoogroups.com ; davidicke2@yahoogroups.com ; thespiritofjacob@yahoogroups.com ; jewsareedom@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:13 PM

Subject: Re: [TWOMIFTG] niggas try to read "The Mind of God" by Paul Davies

 

Hey, I think you're a little off point, JK.

 

I am operating under your CI "theology."  I am making the supposition that it is correct.  This is all hypothetical.

 

So how is it that God hates black people, for instance, yet, if YOU originated from a black ancestor (years back - you've been diluted in the meantime colourwise and are blushingly proud), how come God now loves YOU?  You are not pure white.

 

This is according to your religion, JK.  This is what you have been preaching from your virtual and rather shaky pulpit!  I'm agreeing with you.  We're speaking hypothetically.  

 

So why does God love you now, but not the ancestor who begat your line?

 

And if you can do this without accusing me or my church of nefarious deeds, that would be helpful.  No distractions now.  Concentrate.  I know it's hard for you...for you sound very confused.

 

FF

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jacob Israel <ji@blackexile.com> wrote:

<<< Yes, but how do you know you're not a mongrel, JK?  How do you know your offspring (if any) are not mongrels?  How can you be sure of anything like that?>>>

 

SO WHAT?!  That doesn't change God's LAW, even IF it were 100% true.

 

This is called a straw man argument—you set up a straw man which has nothing to do with the issue, so you can knock it down [and pretend to knock down the argument, or God's Law].  Since you failed to tell us what YOU "think" the "congregation of the LORD" is, let us tell YOU what it is: it's the entire political boundary of this entire nation.

 

And since you like to parse God's Law like you're perusing your refrigerator, why don't you tell us how YOU got the authority to claim that ONE part of God's Law is valid, but another part is NOT!  Where do YOU get the right to claim that rape is no longer a crime because Jesus "fulfilled" that law, but the law against adultery still stands?

 

In ONE MILLION Words of Scripture, God NEVER mentioned you, not even once.  So tell us:  who died and made you god?

 

John Knight

 

 

 

From: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Faith Full
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:20 PM
To: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com; Jacob Israel; Jacob Israel
Subject: Re: [TWOMIFTG] niggas try to read "The Mind of God" by Paul Davies

 

Yes, but how do you know you're not a mongrel, JK?

 

How do you know your offspring (if any) are not mongrels?

 

How can you be sure of anything like that?

 

FF

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Jacob Israel <ji@blackexile.com> wrote:

<<<.... and now you too can read 'The Mind of God' by Jacob Israel aka
John Knight aka Mr Looney Tunes. I think this guy should marry Sherry
Shriner. {I think marriages in penitentiaries are allowed these days -
and they may even be allowed to wear white.}

One of his latest offerings of what is in 'the Mind of God':

quote

Not only does the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob DENY niggers
admission His Congregation, but He HATES the pagan institutions
they set up, and He HATES us for funding it all:

unquote
>>>

 

We don't need to read the Mind of God?!  We need ONLY to read simple SCRIPTURE:

A mongrel shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD, Deuteronomy 23:2

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD forever: Deuteronomy 23:3

 

What's YOUR definition of "congregation of the LORD"????

 

John Knight

 

From: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Faith Full
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 3:24 PM
To: TWOMIFTG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [TWOMIFTG] You've read "The Mind of God" by Paul Davies

 

God told him personally, Gyan.

 

God speaks to him all the time!  LOL!

 

God forbid!

 

FF

On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Gyan <nutmeg2323@yahoo.com.au> wrote:


.... and now you too can read 'The Mind of God' by Jacob Israel aka
John Knight aka Mr Looney Tunes. I think this guy should marry Sherry
Shriner. {I think marriages in penitentiaries are allowed these days -
and they may even be allowed to wear white.}

One of his latest offerings of what is in 'the Mind of God':

quote

Not only does the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob DENY niggers
admission His Congregation, but He HATES the pagan institutions
they set up, and He HATES us for funding it all:

unquote