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"if gays want to marry it will happen in time!!!they should not be hated for that,and it isn't for anyone one to judge them for that!!! "You claim to be a "Christian"?If so, then please quote Scripture, not this disinformation.But I tell you that it will be more bearable for #### on the day of judgment than for you, Matthew 11:24 There shall be no #### of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel. Deuteronomy 23:17And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel. 1Kings 14:24They die in youth, and their life is among the sodomites. Job 36:14`And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood is on them. Lev 20:13
"It was Thomas Jefferson who said, "All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression". I don't think I can say it better. Taking away out equal rights is wrong, and according to Jefferson, qualifies as oppression."But Thomas Jefferson never would have approved gay "marriage". He proposed castration for sodomites. You're taking this statement way out of context. You might just as well make the same claim for murderers, who after all, are only a minority group.
It was Thomas Jefferson who said, "All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression". I don't think I can say it better. Taking away out equal rights is wrong, and according to Jefferson, qualifies as oppression.
What are the Protesters protesting? Do they NOT believe in the rule of law? That people's vote shouldn't count? The PEOPLE of California have spoken, "NO to gay marriage". Do they really want a system of laws other than by vote of the people (or their elected officials)? Should 40+% of the people not acknowledge the President just because they voted for someone else?
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NFH56 5/26/09
i would like to make a change to the constitution: any person who was born with freckles or has a sibling does not have the right to marry the person they love. its something that you cant change, but its something that you choose to have.
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baconbit83 11/19/08
It was Thomas Jefferson who said, "All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression". I don't think I can say it better. Taking away out equal rights is wrong, and according to Jefferson, qualifies as oppression.
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bcohen86 11/17/08
Movn1 - did the public at large get to vote on your marriage, and other personal matters? I maintain - who a person marries is a personal decision, not to be voted on. The idea that "majority rules" in the arena of personal decisions is un-American and offensive. A Nation of Busy Bodies.
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coloradokate 11/17/08
Strange. . .For Ever in Blue Jeans seems to think sexual orientation is a CHOICE, and therefore deserves no legal rights. Of course, we KNOW "religious" belief is a CHOICE, but it deserves legal rights. Then For Ever launches into a heterosupremacist rant about how only straight people can dictate "rights" to others - if gays get married, it "forces" their sexual habits out in the open - apparently straights don't do that on each other or the gays.
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Kevinbgoode 11/17/08
The actions of those for gay marriage are want it, organize and get the vote out. You are just alienating all the rest of us.
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Movn1 11/17/08
For Ever in Blue Jeans - unless you, yourself, have CHOSEN to be gay, I think I'd keep that kind of speculation to yourself, because you have no way of really knowing. Nobody is forcing "sexual habits" on anyone. It's none of your business. If a person is a law-abiding, contributing, tax paying citizen of the United States of America, you shouldn't be concerned about their marriage or sexual inclinations. If it's just the "idea" of what someone may or may not be doing in the privacy of their own home, welllll...that's not anyone's problem but your own. Funny how everyone screamed about promiscuity, until gays and lesbians said, "okay then, we want monogomous marriages." Instead of promiscuity, committed, legal monogamy is now the threat. Which is it?It's so ironic. Utah could not become a state until the Mormon Church changed their "definition of marriage," and dumped plural marriages. The definition of marriage has been fluid throughout history. The idea of love and marriage (fits together like a horse and carriage...) is relatively new. This is another one of those issues that puts our country's citizens into the status of "busy bodies." We shouldn't be able to vote on each others rights. I'm more of a fan of civil unions for all. Civil Unions by the state, and let the church handle marriage, in whatever way they see fit.
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coloradokate 11/17/08
It used to be illegal in the United States to marry outside of your own race. This country has come a long way but it seems like we still have a long way to go.
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pakinL 11/17/08
It used to be illegal to marry outside of your race in this country. Should we all go back to those traditional ways?
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pakinL 11/17/08
baconbit83 - Even when faced with bigotry and hate you are man enough apologize for using a hurtful word, that says a lot. Too bad so many people would rather embrace intolerance and not celebrate love. You are very cool.
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AzSurferChick 11/16/08
Dear Editor and my fellow Californians:Well we did it California! Thanks to California Seniors and the Mormon Church Proposition 8 passed and we were able to fend off another attack on Traditional Marriage and Traditional Family Values! But I don’t think we should stop there. I have a 2 fold plan that would strengthen Traditional Family Values:1. If a female becomes pregnant, the male that fathered the baby MUST marry the baby’s mother. It is time that we stop producing illegitimate children. Children need a father and a mother, not 2 dads or 2 moms. Unlike Bristol Palin and Levi who think that marriage should be THEIR CHOICE, I think it would be in society’s best interest that they get married, like it or not!2. We need to OUTLAW divorce.There is NOTHING that destroys a traditional family more than DIVORCE! Let’s face it, the divorce rate is over 50%. We CAN save Traditional Marriage and keep Traditional Family Values if we simply outlaw DIVORCE.Let’s change the California Constitution to incorporate these 2 desperately needed measures. I know the Mormon Church must have a slush fund to help pass such a Proposition. Dr. Skip AyersLong BeachRemember: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness (for straight people)
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Skipsf 11/16/08
#1 Bigot according to the dictionary: "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance" Bigotry goes beyond race. I think it is funny that people yell about their religious institutions being corrupted but MY religion believes in the rights of gays and lesbians to marry but MY religion isn't being infringed on by YOUR mandate that they can't? Lets also not forget that the "we love you but hate the act" is a LIE. There high Holy book calls for the DEATH of homosexuals and that is what they seek. Don't let their "we love you" rhetoric fool you. Leviticus 20:13...if they hold that homosexuality is a sin because of what the Bible says then they MUST also hold that killing us is the says so in their book. If they say differently then they are just hypocrites because then they are saying they can pick and choose what to follow out of their high holy book but we can't.and if they say that was the old testament and not the new jesus loving testament they LIE! Romans 1:32 calls for the deaths of those that is lists above which the Christians state homosexuality is apart (though others argue it is not). DO NOT BELIEVE THEIR LIES THAT THEY LOVE! They murder in the name of their god! Ask Matthew Sheppard!
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tamingchaos 11/16/08
MiloMakan--- I could agree wiith you --I was not married in a church so I guess I have to form a religion that recognizes my 36 years of marriage ---funny thing is --in my religion all gays are welcome to marry.
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vissionquest 11/16/08
This is the way to work it:Marriage IS part of the religious institutions, therefore (seperation of church & state, ya know), my suggestion is to have ALL marriages relagated to religious institutions.For the government, it should just be "civil unions" for all couples.And, BTW, I am a religious person, however other people's issues are just that, other people's issues.
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MiloMakan 11/16/08
At the age of 16 I was brutally attacked by fellow students "Get used to it" said my principal. At the age of 17 I had a gun pointed at my head and my family's home was vandalized, at the age of 18 I was run off the road and attacked, drug from my car. At the age of 28 I am still a gay man - if you want to be a bigot and get fired from your job for it then you need to "get used to it" - I have paid my price now it is time to pay yours.
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GemCourtJD 11/16/08
This is great! I hope this leads to real change for all the loving, committed couples in America!
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wtlc 11/16/08
I don't understand how this infringes on Christian religious issues when the practice of other religions is tolerated and respect in America. One of the ten commandments states "Do not worship false idols" yet Americans are free to worship any Tom, Dick, or Vishnu they please. I have a feeling that religious sensitivities are only offended when it's something we find repugnant, or alien. A majority can wrap their minds around the need to feel the security of a god, but still can't put themselves in the shoes of a homosexual.
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dyliep 11/16/08
neehao -I have been waiting to find the person in charge of what is moral and what is not. Nice to meet you. I was wondering why you changed your mind about women wearing skirts above the ankle, cause you used to have that as an immoral item. Or why did you change your mind about different races marrying, cause you used to have that as immoral. I have noticed that killing in war is still not immoral, could you do something about that. I really want to thank you for getting rid of that Eating fish on Friday thing, it is nice to know that morals can change if enough people get together and want to change them. Do you have your latest list of what is immoral and what is not. Sure could use that list, cause I am real confused. Did fthat thing about "do unto others ...." thing get taken off the moral list--I kind of liked that one, but I guess that would ruin your ability to have certain rights for yourself and deny others--so I guess I understand. I do have some spare time and would love to be on the advisory committee of what is moral and what is not. I have been married to the same women for 36 years, raised 3 kids who are doing well in life, and I think I could do well on your committee, if the thing about thinking gays should have the same rights as I do does not bother you.
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vissionquest 11/16/08
I agree that gay marriage should not be banned, but I think ALL legally recognized marriage should. Marriage should be a spiritual matter, not a legal one. Gays and lesbians are angry because they aren't getting their slice of the pie, bcause the government rewards married couples. THAT is what is wrong and should be changed. People who are single are taxed at a much higher rate, and don't have the same ability to share resources as married people, so ALL single people are disenfranchised, not just homosexuals. Divorced parents, usually the men, pay child support and insurance that they don't get to deduct and the ex doesn't have to claim, and the ex still gets to claim the kids as dependents. The gays are not the only ones getting the short end of the stick here, but they're not reaching out to other disenfranchised groups to have legal marriage and it's entitlements redifined, the just want their crack at milking an antiquated system that was set up when families traditionally had only one working parent and more children. They get no sympathy from me.
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tigerh8r32 11/16/08
loved the article, but some of these comments scare me! i attended the rally in san francisco with thousands of other people who support LOVE. prop 8 should never have been up to californian voters. you cant vote on someone else's fundamental rights! this will be over-turned undoubtedly, in time. we will look back at this moment and realize how ridiculous this is! everyone should have the same rights, if not, that's called discrimination! we are out protesting because this is UNFAIR. we should all stop involving religion, and just break it down to what this is really about: giving everyone equal rights!! we are no different - we have families, we have jobs, and we have broken hearts right now because of something we have no control over - and you shouldnt be in charge of granting or taking away the rights of anyone!!
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baconbit83 11/16/08
God created each human the way He wished. Some are gay, some are straight, and He loves them all. Who are any of you to judge that one of His creations should have lesser rights than you?
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drGirlfriend08 11/16/08
rvcattle, that's not really a fair comparison, no person (or animal)




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