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Subject:  Re: Pastor Weiland on Galatians 3
From:  "aekennedy" <http://email.email.secureserver.net/addressBookQuickAdd.php?contact=%22aekennedy%22+%3Caekennedy%40xtra.co.nz%3E>
Date:  Sun, Mar 05, 2006 9:14 am
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 John, please pass this on to your groups.  Biblical statements about racial separation, such as, "I am the LORD your God, which have separated you from other people", and  "And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine" are not to be used as expressions of racial hatred.  But there are dozens of racist statements in the Bible as I have indicated in the attachment. What is actually demonstrated is that Israelites have a greater responsibility and judgment on them than other races, as Israelites are designed to be "kings and priests to God".  These racial statements do not imply racial superiority, but are statements of God's purpose, something we dare not deny.
 
The other attachment is about the Hebrew and Greek use of the words for, "all", "every", "whosoever" etc, which are used in terms of the context only.
 

One of the things peculiar to Western Society (as opposed to any others) is the teaching that racism is totally wrong.  Yet, those who seek to enforce anti-discrimination laws [which include race, racial and national or ethnic origins, and religion] will immediately jump to the support of modern Jewry, as a special religious-racial group, even if modern Jewry is made up of people from many different races.  In New Zealand people are actively discouraged from even questioning events of history that might undermine the enforcers’ determination of history in regard to “The Jews”.  Their determination is very important to them, and, as such, is in itself racist.  What is it that they are trying so hard to either protect or to promote?  Might it be their false presentation that the Jews are Israel?  Might not this be a mechanism by which the prince of this world seeks to eliminate the right message of the Bible?   Would it not be the adversary who is saying that the Potter does not make one vessel unto honour and another to dishonour, as Scripture says?  Anti-racism is saying that every person of every race is the same in the eyes of man, and in  religious doctrines, this is the same as saying in the eyes of God.

The issue is multi-culturism and this does not feature favourably through the Bible pages.  Mixture of cultures is a source of conflict, both in religion and custom.  Israel was separated from the other races, for a purpose.  For Israel the Biblical message is still, come ye out from amongst them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord in the New Testament.  The people being addressed in Corinthians had the “fathers” and were baptised unto Moses [1 Cor 4:1].  They were Israelites!

Jer 10:2,3                 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen,

The way is derek which Strong gives as course of life, or mode of action.  We should not be teaching indigenous culture in our schools.

Not one person can read the Old Testament without agreeing that God is shown to be totally racist.  God discriminated on the grounds of race and God clearly treated races differently and even made differences between the tribes of Israel themselves.

The Children of Israel had a mission to eliminate the Canaanite races right down to women, children and even their animals.  There are those whom God says He will eliminate when Jesus returns at the brightness of His coming.  The matter has to be faced; God was totally racist in the Old Testament and we understand that He is unchanging for all time. But Israelites were not told to eliminate all other races.  In the New Jerusalem with the remnant of Israel on the inside, there are still other races on the outside who have to bring their annual offerings.

Jesus tells us about those who are occupying the “vineyard” and who will be destroyed when He comes to take up His Kingdom.  We read of the armies of Heaven:

Rev 19:15,19            And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations, and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

We are reading of national armies and basically racist matters, right here towards the end of the New Testament pages.

Joel 3:2-17                I will gather all nations, and will bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and have parted my land.

At this late stage in history, Israel is a separate race among the other nations.  God is still racist in purpose here and at this time.  The context supplies the time and so at the end, Israel is still the individual race it always has been.

Arnold Kennedy.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 11:27 AM
Subject: Pastor Weiland on Galatians 3

Dear Don,
 
Without addressing your inference that Jesus was being, hmmm, disingenuous, by commanding His Twelve Disciples to NOT go to the "Gentiles", and then "changing His Mind" later, would you say that Jesus would ever have commanded His Disciples (or us) to go to the following?:
 
An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD forever: Deuteronomy 23:3
 
Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, but hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for jackals, Malachai 1:3
 
As it is written: "I loved Jacob but hated Esau.", Rom 9:13
 
Deuteronomy 7:1-3 When Jehovah thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
and when Jehovah thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them: thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them; neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.
 
 
This is a serious question.  Thank you in advance for your possible well thought out reply.
 
Sincerely,
 
 
John Knight


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [TruthorTradition] Re: Pastor Weiland on Galatians 3
From: "dontheyounger" <dontheyounger@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, March 04, 2006 10:16 am
To: TruthorTradition@yahoogroups.com

If today you're told to take a message to everyone in your
neighborhood, and tomorrow you're told to take a message to everyone
in your city, do these commands contratict each other?  Because
today you are to give to a limited group, does that mean you are
forbidden from ever giving to a larget group?  Of course not.

In His eartly ministry, Jesus has his followers take the message to
Israel.  When His earthly ministry was finished, Jesus had His
followers "make disciples of ALL the nations" (Matt. 28:19)

Revelation 14:6 -- And I saw another angel fly in the midst of
heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell
on the earth, and to EVERY nation, and kindred, and tongue, and
people.

You may now respond with whatever texts you feel best justify
racism, exclusivity, and hatred.

-Don

> Dear Tim,

> Please clarify what you're saying here, because I really don't
believe I understand your point.

> Do you believe that when Jesus commanded His Twelve Disciples to
go only to the House of Israel, that He was being a bit
disingenuous, or that perhaps He didn't know that He would be
changing or altering that commandment later in His life--or perhaps
that He simply lied from the getgo?

> How else can I explain why Jesus would COMMAND them to go ONLY to
the House of Israel in one breath, and then completely abandon that
COMMANDMENT later on and command them to do just the opposite?

> Sincerely,

> John Knight

> "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not
into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans
enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel. And  as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at
hand."  Matthew 10:5-9





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