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Anti-Adultery Forum

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Wednesday 07/24/2002 3:27:27pm
Name: C.S.
E-Mail: ibcubu@juno.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: I find it completely idiotic for a man to be fighting for men's rights, when men have been dominating the world for years, and it is just now, in modern years, that women have had somewhat equal rights as men. You should be very thankful for women, because it was your mother that painfully gave birth to you, bringing you into this world.
Why can't men and women just be equal in society? They have both had important roles througout the history of the human race, so they should both be treated with equal importance.
What do you have against women, anyways? Not to sound prejudice or anything, but men do much more violent acts towards women, than women do to men.
I think the creators of this website need some serious help. The cause of this could be due to bad relationships with women in the past, or the absence of a mother or other important female figure.


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Thursday 06/20/2002 12:16:09am
Name: concerned
E-Mail: I would never tell people like you
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: The people behind this website are dangerous and frightening. The notion that 98 % of the men in American prisons for rape are innocent, is deluded and unfounded. The facts and figures used on this site are biased and in many cases contorted to make them fit your sad, sick cause. I pity anyone foolish enough to take these figures at face value, as it is likely that you were either born with a low IQ, had an inadequate education, took too many drugs in your youth or that you are just sad sad individuals burning from the inside out with rage and hate, your lives must be most unpleasant. An example of a fact provided being inappropriate is the allegation that the American divorce rate is four times higher than Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan and Afghanistan. Indeed it is likely to be true, but considering that these nations are notorious for their oppression of women it is not a particularly useful comparison. A fair comparison would have been to compare Americas divorce rate alongside western countries with similar value systems.
I despise this website and the people who support it. I take solace knowing that you will always be the fringe of society and that in the eyes of the majority you are a joke. I printed a page from this site and took it to work and to university with me and showed it around. I am pleased to say that not one person agreed and that every person, without exception, thought it was insane, not too mention down right funny in its complete absurdity. Good luck to those of you who believe what this site says you are going to need an awful lot of it if you believe that America will ever revoke the legal rights of women.
By the way if you are all so angry and unhappy maybe you should try prozac.


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Monday 06/03/2002 10:10:37am
Name: peggy plumley
E-Mail: pegplum@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: home
Comments: i need help


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Wednesday 05/08/2002 5:23:25am
Name: the 2-way mirrors
E-Mail:
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: oh yeah, by the way: your logic concerning rape seems to not quite grok.
one, i want to know what your definition of rape is and two, why is so hard to believe that the US could possibly have more violent crime(i.e. rape) than other countries? you assume that to be ridiculous. let me repeat: you assume. you make an ass out of you.
and maybe, other countries have laws that view rape differently. or that it is harder for a woman to get justice done if she is raped. you attack a strawman and your bias/prejudice is based primarialy on assumptions.


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Wednesday 05/08/2002 5:14:21am
Name: the 2-way mirrors
E-Mail:
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: i don't see how sheena was threatening violence. the poem or song(i'm assuming)didn't threaten violence at all. it's also really sad that you'd insult someone with a cliche like feminazi. i guess we could coin a term for you guys like Mascist(masculine+fascist). now, if you were take anything seriously by freud(i guess even some feminists can pull something positive out of his shit) than i'd say you were all impotent. do you refuse to let your precious bodily fluids be drained? purity of essence? you guys are really sad. i'm glad you don't have any political clout otherwise we'd be seeing tv commercials were an office full of secretaries morphs into rats running thru a sewer. and just so you know, i'm male, too. but i don't see what difference that should make.

 

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Thursday 04/25/2002 12:15:53am
Name: Babic
E-Mail:
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: Let those who have eyes see let those who have ears see.
The evil is upon us and threatens to destroy us.


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Sunday 04/07/2002 6:57:55am
Name: Phillip E Drake
E-Mail: PD88@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: The only way to put a stop to the destuctive powers of feminism is to stop women voting. I know many women who are perfectly prepared to give up this right for the good of everyone. Very impressive site, I have learned a great deal.


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Wednesday 04/03/2002 6:53:01pm
Name: Val
E-Mail:
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: Patriarchy is about male domination, particularly within the context of the family, hence patriarchy. This is common knowledge. It is also about female oppression as well as oppression of children. Many of these stupid fucks would love to revert to a time when when womyn's lives were even more severely constricted by patriarchy than they are at present, when husbands could legally beat and rape their wives, when children could be horsewhipped within an inch of their lives, when womyn had an extremely limited sphere and no political voice. Patriarchal 'societies' cannot and must not be called civilizations. The rule of force, militarism, might makes right, norm of violence, survival of the fittest, dog eat dog, etc., are the laws of the jungle, not the laws of civilized peoples. There is no such thing as a warlike civilization. It's a contradiction of terms. A society should be built on cooperation, empathy and understanding, not on violence, oppression and seizure of power by control. Only a civilized human being rejects patriarchy and fights against every aspect of it. Any so-called 'men's rights advocate', 'masculist', 'father's rights organizer', etc. is a thinly disguised misogynist. Just take a look at the writings of those who lay claim to be such in this guestbook and the seething, frothing at the mouth mentality they all seem to share. All it is is the patriarchal apologists fear of losing power and their priviledged position in patriarchy. Any threat to this will be dissolved by governmental control and oppression or by absurd groups who demand men's rights when in reality it is men who still control society.


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Sunday 03/31/2002 10:13:59am
Name: JT
E-Mail:
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: You bitch Sheena. Are you actually threatening violence? If you're so wonderful why don't you fight men yourself instead of looking for other men to do it for you? Typical femanazi cow.


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Sunday 03/31/2002 3:22:40am
Name: Sheena
E-Mail: rainingonme@iamwaiting.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: "And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies, that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up"

I'm sure your mother would be proud.

 

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Sunday 03/24/2002 6:54:24pm
Name: Joe Tennent
E-Mail: joet46@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location:
Comments: Femanazism must be destroyed before it's too late for any of us. Let these women babble on all they want but the time has come. Half of these women should be in prison themselves, instead they're putting decent men in prison simply because they claimed the man raped them. In most of these cases the women were blind drunk and probably couldn't remember if they had their legs apart yet men are imprisioned.


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Sunday 03/24/2002 6:54:19pm
Name: Joe Tennent
E-Mail: joet46@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location:
Comments: Femanazism must be destroyed before it's too late for any of us. Let these women babble on all they want but the time has come. Half of these women should be in prison themselves, instead they're putting decent men in prison simply because they claimed the man raped them. In most of these cases the women were blind drunk and probably couldn't remember if they had their legs apart yet men are imprisioned.


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Sunday 03/24/2002 6:52:58pm
Name: Joe Tennent
E-Mail: joet46@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location:
Comments: Femanazism must be destroyed before it's too late for any of us. Let these women babble on all they want but the time has come. Half of these women should be in prison themselves, instead they're putting decent men in prison simply because they claimed the man raped them. In most of these cases the women were blind drunk and probably couldn't remember if they had their legs apart yet men are imprisioned.


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Saturday 03/02/2002 9:53:43pm
Name: Gloria Fonda
E-Mail:
Homepage Title: Womens Marxist Party
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: How dare you attempt to take away a
woman's right to kill her own children
and falsely accuse men of rape.
With out those things our feminist
movement is doomed, so therefore we are
not about to give them up.


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Wednesday 02/06/2002 1:36:01pm
Name: Katie Scott
E-Mail: aa6642@wayne.edu
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Web Ring
Location:
Comments: Well, boys. Blacklist me. Douse me in black, paint FEMINIST on me and it will be proudest day of my life if it means countering mean, small-minded people like you. It is sad you live with so much hate-- really sad. I can't imagine how much your health must suffer from keeping such bile and venom inside. If you let go of the hate, you might be able to open up and see life in the world instead of living in your dust-covered interiors. Let it go. Get therapy. Do something for yourself, you poor sad saps.

 

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Sunday 12/30/2001 4:25:18am
Name: Kelly Campbell
E-Mail: qanaa@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Ennismore, Ontario
Comments: Where can I find the list you're putting feminists on? I posted here before but I want to know if my name is on it.


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Saturday 12/29/2001 1:56:18am
Name: Grrrl
E-Mail: nails_scratch@riot_grrrl.zzn.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location:
Comments: Fuck You! I am a feminist. I am proud. You are a stupid, racist,homophobic, hypocritical, bible-thumping bigot. You should be ashamed of yourself. It take pity on your wife (if you have one) and your sons and daughters (if you could get your big-headed sperm to come out of your small little prick.) I hope you choke on your words. Fuck the Bible. The bible is shit. It's sad that a grown "Man" refers to a pathetic fake story-book. You WILL Choke. I am a lesbian, does that offend you? Doesn't it just piss you off that I read your website? Don't you just want to stop me down? well you can't. You never will be able to. I am strong and I am weak. You are wasting your time.


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Tuesday 12/11/2001 0:05:38am
Name: Castrata
E-Mail: neoflon@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: That's right, men!!

We women are finally moving into positions of power in this world. Shoe's on the other foot now, ain't it, guys? How do YOU like being oppressed, repressed, surpassed, abused? Not much, it seems, judging by all the whiney, snivelling websites you've created bemoaning your sorry state. Boo hoo! Poor men! Did we kick you where it hurts and make you cry?

Get used to it! Women have at least 5,000 years left in their reign of terror over your pathetic asses before we even BEGIN to even the score.


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Monday 11/26/2001 5:37:29pm
Name: Grace Fierro
E-Mail: grazfierro@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: I am disgusted that there are so many insignificant laws out there, and they seem to still suggest that an adultery law is just ridiculous, well I guess that spitting on a sidewalk should get much more attention than a broken up family or better yet, a married spouse waking up one day to find out he or she has AIDs, I am also certain that that is a rather perfect example to set for the next generation, I wonder how many people would rather their son or daughter sleep with everyone but thire spouse rather than spit on a sidewalk. I am a woman myself and I would tell any other woman or man that suggests there shouldn't be a law for adultery that they are the ignorant ones,it takes LESS than a man to cheat on his wife and any woman who cheats on her husband is not a woman at all,that also applys to the other party who has gotten involved with the married person also,The adultery law should apply to the married person and the not so brainy moran thats stupid enough to be with a married person, These people need to grow up and take responsability for their actions,if your STUPID enough and COWARDLY enough to go behind your spouses back you should have to pay the price,The person betrayed loses a hell of alot more than the betrayers and it makes me SICK,thats my opinion and I challenge anyone to tell me they think adultery should be overlooked.


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Monday 11/05/2001 4:27:30pm
Name: Smurf
E-Mail: smurf56073@yahoo.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location: MN
Comments: My lovely ex husband thought it very fine to cheat on his pregnant wife and then thought it more fun ot try to take the child away from me before birth. After the birth he continued trying and only got joint legal. He married "her" two monthes after our divoce papers were signed. Not sure the ink was dry yet.

 

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Saturday 11/03/2001 0:33:26am
Name: Dustin
E-Mail: Dreadedcrustpunk@aol.com
Homepage Title: xxxxxxx
Homepage URL: http://xxxxxxx
Referred By: Friend
Location: The 9th ring of Hell! Chillin' wit Judas
Comments: Ho ho ho, I thought this was satire! I sure hope it is.
A) Not that I believe the bible is anything more than a collection of myths and mytholigies (as Jefferson did- so much for a "christian nation") you twist it so as to suite your overbearing, weak minded needs. It's interesting, according to Luke Jesus said: "...and unless you hate your father and your mother, your sister and your brother... and yes, even your own life, you cannot be my disciple."
How family oriented.
I suggest you pull your head's out of Jesus's ass and realize that womyn couldn't possibly fuck up the world any more than men did!!

Dustin
a male atheist


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Wednesday 10/31/2001 2:50:59pm
Name: Pastor Gayman
E-Mail: g.damico@hotmoil.com
Homepage Title: xxxx
Homepage URL: http://xxxx
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Like im going to tell u terrorists that
Comments: please put me on your blacklist mr. nazi


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Thursday 08/02/2001 7:08:44pm
Name: Emily Webb
E-Mail: *
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location:
Comments: My father had an affair and walked out on my mother when I was two years old. He is the director of an insurance firm and VERY wealthy, since I was sixteen he has paid the standard amount of child support. I am now at university and living away from home I have two jobs as well as studying and my mother works full time. When I asked for my support to be increased my father refused, my mother and I decided to take the case to court and so for the first time in three years my father visited me. He refused to see my uni, he refused to see my home he simply asked how much rent I paid asked why I couldn't get another job and refused to believe one text book could cost �40 until taken to a shop and shown. He then left and I will next see him in court. People of either sex should not get married or have children until they know themselves well enough to really be esteemed 'adults' then they will make the right decisions and these situations can be avoided. It is clear that most of the people on this site have some way to go before they are mature enough to understand this.


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Friday 06/29/2001 0:15:24am
Name: Kelly
E-Mail: qanara@hotmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: CANADA!!!!!!!
Comments: I want on the blacklist! It sounds like a cool place to be. I'm only 14 and haven't even started dating yet, but I don't want anyone like you anti-feminist psychos coming near me when I grow up!
P.S.
Get a life! Don't you people have anything better to do?

 

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Sunday 06/24/2001 0:22:09am
Name: Matthew Zimbelman
E-Mail: beerfreak316@aol.com
Homepage Title: misc
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: law needs to start punishing the mothers for abandonment and adultery in legal custody battles...in NO way whatsoever should these type of women take custody of our children under these circumstances. The law needs to understand alot of women are not really concerned about the consequences of there actions...and sometimes turn them around on the fathers.


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Tuesday 05/15/2001 9:20:41am
Name: Dan
E-Mail: ohdan@juno.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed In
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: Adultery. No victims? Always the husband, or somehow a man's fault?

Nope!

My wife cheated on me with my *best friend*. What recourse do I have? Do I feel violent? YES! Can I do anything to reap justice? NO! Why? Now I am getting divorced, and my *son* will grow up in yet another fragmented home. YES, I will be there for him no matter what the circumstances, but he will still see that *I* am not married anymore to Mommy... and with the cultural stereotypes and feminist brain-washing, he will no doubt be influenced to believe that it was somehow *my fault*.

Want to decrease violent crimes, including homicide? Legislate for criminal and civil penalties against ADULTERERS.

The silent killers of the American Family.

And NO! I am not a Christian.

Dan


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Tuesday 05/08/2001 1:13:59pm
Name: Art
E-Mail: Davis_Vogon@hotmail.com
Homepage Title: The Bongoloids
Homepage URL: http://www.bongoloids.com
Referred By: Friend
Location: Louisiana, USA
Comments: I do not think adultery laws should exist at ALL unless there are prenuptials.


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Wednesday 02/21/2001 2:04:57pm
Name: Art Books
E-Mail: artbooks@rocketmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Search Engine
Location:
Comments: Why did Gloria Steinem get married after she wrote to millions of women that she thinks all men are scum?


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Tuesday 10/17/2000 9:33:18am
Name: Adultery Inform
E-Mail: adulterynetwork@usa.net
Homepage Title: Adultery Inform - Credibility Bureau
Homepage URL: http://www.adulterynetwork.homestead.com
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location: Adultery Inform International
Comments: Adultery Inform - Official Screening Bureau. Screen (check) your partner or blacklist offenders. International Service incorporating 192 countries.

 

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Friday 09/22/2000 7:15:49pm
Name: Eve
E-Mail: eve@talkcity.com
Homepage Title: All About Eve
Homepage URL: http://home.talkcity.com/GardenWay/eve
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location: nyb
Comments: whoo hoo!! how do I get on your black-list?? I certainly want anyone who agrees with any of this to avoid me like the plague!

I do support, though, all of you drinking and driving as much as you want - please try to stick with deserted roads, though - it's a great way to thin the heard!

Sincerely (hoping that this is a paradoy site),
Eve


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Thursday 04/27/2000 0:33:34am
Name: Sue
E-Mail: SBotchie
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://hometown.aol.com/sbotchie/PlainPage.htm
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location: Pennsylvania
Comments: Cathy Young, of the Detroit News, for her 1997 "Being A Wife Hardly Qualifies As a Career". In other words, if the "husband" decides to (after 20 years) bail on his word to his wife--oh, that's ok. As for the deserted wife, why she's no better than a typing-pool peon, who oughta just get out there, and take it LIKE A MAN.
R. Don Steele is another fembot. He wrote a book, entitled "Office Politics: The Woman's Guide to Beat the System's Gain". His fundamental belief is, basically, "money and power ARE everything". He exhorts (young) women to get out there and duke it out, just like the guys.
These two can take their family-bash, me-ist philosophy and...chuck it.
Thankyou.


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Friday 04/21/2000 5:04:38am
Name: Sue
E-Mail: SBotchie@aol.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://hometown.aol.com/sbotchie/PlainPage.htm
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location: Pennsylvania
Comments: Earl (who "has to DIE") has been FRAMED by the husband-haters. 'Am sick to death, every time I turn around, another husband is beating the living crap out of his poooooorrr wife--who did no wrong, of course.


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Monday 09/20/1999 5:32:19pm
Name: Dave
E-Mail: laceyd_@excite.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: NewsGroups
Location: Baltimore
Comments: I'd like to nominate Bob Barr (adultery AND abortion), Newt Gingrich (multiple cases of adultery and unwed sex), Rush Limbaugh (adultery and cretinism), Henry Hyde (adultery), "Dr." Laura (adultery and pornography) and that arch Bishop that was recently found to have a mistress and child.

 

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Saturday 07/31/1999 10:10:54pm
Name: Le Roy Marshall
E-Mail: marshall@fathers.ourfamily.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Xoom
Location: Los Angeles
Comments: Please add Trish Wilson, aka "Asherah" to the Feminist Black List


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Friday 07/09/1999 12:33:32am
Name: Mr. G.
E-Mail:
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Comments: You can add Ms. M. E. Tarling, nee Maryann E. Wiens to the list of Adulterers and abusers, who destoyed two of her four children, all for money!
She could not stop the other two from being brought up by their father in a Christian environment, achieving very high scholastic acedemic standing in their high school years.
The two she brought up in whordum, have no education and are living of the system and others.
Money cannot buy Love or a meaningful relationship.
As a father, I brought my two up, as a disabled person on disability welfare, with the precious life's standards of the "BIBLE".


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Tuesday 06/08/1999 10:14:29pm
Name: william patrick
E-Mail: elpasopat@webtv.net
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location:
Comments: To add to the feminist blacklist: Kate McMichael "All heterosexual sex is rape!


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Saturday 05/15/1999 10:53:56pm
Name: Mark Hall
E-Mail: marhall@rocketmail.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: From a Friend
Location:
Comments: Add Liz Kates to the Adultery Blacklist


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Thursday 05/13/1999 5:41:35pm
Name: Sheldon Kociol
E-Mail: sheldonk@pacbell.net
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location: San Jose, California
Comments: I think that adultery should be considered child neglect for those who have kids. I think that adultery in California
should have a grave impact on child custody. I think that is a spouse commits adultery, that there should be no
alimony or spousal support. I do not think that adultery should impact child support.
If the laws are much stricter, there would be less adultery and divorce. The children of marriages would be the ones
who benefit most.

 

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Monday 04/26/1999 3:08:09am
Name: Barbara
E-Mail: MeetBarbie@aol.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Just Surfed On In
Location: Michigan
Comments: It would be great if we would start enforcing the law and not just make excuses for those who violate the law. It is sad what our society is becoming!


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Monday 04/19/1999 9:56:19am
Name: Charlie
E-Mail: dadd2@juno.com
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://pcisys.net/~dad
Referred By: Signing another Guestbook
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Comments: It's time to burn down all the "Bridges of Madison County" and stop the hero/heroine-complex for being an adulterer.


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Tuesday 03/09/1999 0:51:37am
Name: Jack Garbuz
E-Mail: jgarbuz@postoffice.worldnet.att.net
Homepage Title:
Homepage URL: http://
Referred By: Clicked on a 'Guestbooks by GuestWorld' Button
Location:
Comments: uphold the law


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Saturday 02/20/1999 6:32:04pm
Name: John Knight
E-Mail: j.w.knight@usa.net
Homepage Title: Fathers' Manifesto
Homepage URL: http://fathers.ourfamily.com
Referred By: Clicked on a 'Guestbooks by GuestWorld' Button
Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia
Comments: This is the anti-adultery list to date:

> Nick Szabo

> Jack Garbuz

> Lynda Griffith

> John Knight

> Humberto Nunez

> Dave Boyd
> Mo

> Dr. Laura Schlesinger

> "david guthrie"

> Terence Rigby

> Scott Forrest

> William Kirkendale

> Michael D. Wimbish
> Neale
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