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The Bible on Women Speaking in Communities

Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she EATETH, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness, Proverbs 30:20

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, 2 Timothy 3:6-7

Scientific Evidence that Men and Women are Designed Differently

Woe to the wicked! Disaster is upon them; For the deeds of his hands will be paid back to him. As for my people, children are their oppressors, And women rule over them. My people, those who lead you cause you to err, And destroy the way of your paths, Isaiah 3:11-12

The mighty men of Babylon have stopped fighting. They have dwelt in strongholds; their might has withered; they became as women; they have burned their houses, her bars are broken, Jeremiah 51:30

"The husband is the head of the family. He may choose any reasonable place or mode of living, and the wife must conform thereto", California State Law

"The husband is the head of the family. He may choose any reasonable place or mode of living, and the wife must conform thereto", Ohio General Code of 1910

 

We now have this admission from a raging feminazi who claims to be another "good Christian woman" just like Klunt.  This was in response to the following verse, PROOF that feminazis actually DO understand the orderly arrangement [kosmos] established by God, preached by Jesus, and followed for millennia by the House of Israel before "churches", in particular the RCC, got involved and screwed it all up.  They UNDERSTAND it, but just like Jezebel thousands of years ago, they are rebellious women who deserve to be eaten by the dogs by the wall of Jezreel just as Jezebel was.

The verse this feminazi was replying to is:
 

But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ, 1 Corinthians 11:3

 
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From: "Viva Veridad" <vivaveridad@ yahoo.ca>
To: <israeliteidentity@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [israeliteidentity] the facts

TOTAL RUBBISH, the following:
[read: Jesus is not the head of woman.  Jesus is the head of man.  Man is the head of woman, and God is the head of Jesus.  Women must be obedient to their men, not to God nor to Jesus.]

This means that women must pay no attention to God, to Jesus, but only to men!

What a laugh!

It's a good thing I know there are intelligent men around for if women had to be subservient to the likes of John Knight and Terry Gabrich, that would be the ultimate in INSULT to womanhood.  It would be like God caving in to the Devil!

No, my very stupid friends, men are as imperfect as the rest of us, and no woman has to be obedient to a man who turns out to be an IDIOT!

 

Could this be why women were punished with branks and gags?

 

 

  1. But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard [it]; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her, Numbers 30:8 

  2. To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you",  Genesis 3:16

  3. To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.Titus 2:5

    • G5293 -- ??p?ta�ss? -- hupotasso�-- hoop-ot-as'-so

      From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

    • Tit 2:9 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again;
  4. And thy estimation shall be of the male from twenty years old even unto sixty years old, even thy estimation shall be fifty shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary. And if it be a female, then thy estimation shall be thirty shekels. Leviticus 27:3

  5. But if the priest's daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father's house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father's meat: but there shall no stranger eat thereof, Leviticus 22:13

  6. When the boughs thereof are withered, they shall be broken off: the women come, [and] set them on fire: for it [is] a people of no understanding: therefore he that made them will not have mercy on them, and he that formed them will shew them no favour, Isaiah 27:11

  7. For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Romans 7:2-3

  8. There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:34

  9. But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ, 1 Corinthians 11:3

    [read: Jesus is not the head of woman.  Jesus is the head of man.  Man is the head of woman, and God is the head of Jesus.  Women must be obedient to their men, not to God nor to Jesus.]

  10. For God is NOT [the author] of CONFUSION, but of peace, as in all communities of the holy people.  Let your women keep silence in the communities: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their man at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in assembly, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35

  11. Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Lord, because a husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is Head of the assembly, and He is the Savior of the body. But even as the assembly is subject to Christ, so also the wives be to their own husbands in everything, Eph 5:22-24

  12. Wives, submit yourself to your husbands, for that is what you should do as Christians. Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them, Colossians 3:18

  13. Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered, 1 Pet 3:7

  14. Note how in the following verse the Greek word "anastrophe" [Strong's #391] was changed from "behavior" to "conversation" in order to convey the false impression that Christian wives are to determine whether or not their husbands "obey not the word", determine for themselves how they are to obey the word, then nag him  into believing what they unilaterally determine to be "the word":

     

    • [KJV]Likewise, ye wives, [be] in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 1Peter 3:1

    OR?

    • [literal]  In like manner, the wives, be ye subject to your own husbands, that even if certain are disobedient to the word, through the behavior of the wives, without the word, they may be won, 1Peter 3:1
  15. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety, 1 Timothy 2:11-15

    • "saved in childbearing", according to the Greek Septuagint, is actually "saved in child rearing", which includes far more than simply giving birth to a child. 

      • G5042, teknogonia, tek-nog-on-ee'-ah, From the same as G5041; childbirth (parentage), that is, (by implication) maternity (the performance of maternal duties): - childbearing.

      Thus, this verse actually reads:

      "Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in child REARING, IF they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety"

Woman Cannot Vow Without Permission from Father or Husband

    Numbers 30:1 And Moses spake unto the heads of the tribes concerning the children of Israel, saying, This [is] the thing which the LORD hath commanded.

    Numbers 30:2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

    Numbers 30:3 If a woman also vow a vow unto the LORD, and bind herself by a bond, [being] in her father's house in her youth;

    Numbers 30:4 And her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand.

    Numbers 30:5 But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the LORD shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her.

    Numbers 30:6 And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul;

    Numbers 30:7 And her husband heard [it,] and held his peace at her in the day that he heard [it]: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.

    Numbers 30:8 But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard [it]; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her.

    Numbers 30:9 But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her.

    Numbers 30:10 And if she vowed in her husband's house, or bound her soul by a bond with an oath;

    Numbers 30:11 And her husband heard [it], and held his peace at her, [and] disallowed her not: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she bound her soul shall stand.

    Numbers 30:12 But if her husband hath utterly made them void on the day he heard [them; then] whatsoever proceeded out of her lips concerning her vows, or concerning the bond of her soul, shall not stand: her husband hath made them void; and the LORD shall forgive her.

    Numbers 30:13 Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void.

    Numbers 30:14 But if her husband altogether hold his peace at her from day to day; then he establisheth all her vows, or all her bonds, which [are] upon her: he confirmeth them, because he held his peace at her in the day that he heard [them].

    Numbers 30:15 But if he shall any ways make them void after that he hath heard [them]; then he shall bear her iniquity.

    Numbers 30:16 These [are] the statutes, which the LORD commanded Moses, between a man and his wife, between the father and his daughter, [being yet] in her youth in her father's house.

 

 

The Relationship of the Wife to the Husband is Obedience

"he will rule over you" comes from the Hebrew word "mashal": H4910, ma^shal, maw-shal', A primitive root; to rule: - (have, make to have) dominion, governor, X indeed, reign, (bear, cause to, have) rule (-ing, -r), have power.

"bound by the law" comes from the Greek word "deo":  G1210, deo�, deh'-o, A primary verb; to bind (in various applications, literally or figuratively): - bind, be in bonds, knit, tie, wind. See also G1163, G1189.

"the man is the head of the woman" comes from the Greek word "kephale", G2776, kephale�, kef-al-ay', Probably from the primary word?a�pt? kapto� (in the sense of seizing); the head (as the part most readily taken hold of), literally or figuratively: - head.

"under obedience",   "subject yourselves to your husbands", and "submit yourself to your husbands" all come from the Greek word "hupotasso", G5293, hupotasso�, hoop-ot-as'-so, From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

"learn in silence with all subjection" comes from the Greek word "hupotage", G5292, hupotage�, hoop-ot-ag-ay', From G5293; subordination: - subjection.

 

A first class example of why such Scripture is so valuable to this day are the immortal words of Klunt.


Most Translators Agree on These Critical Words

1 Corinthians 14:34 (ASV) let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (Darby) Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not permitted to them to speak; but to be in subjection, as the law also says.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (GLB) Wie in allen Gemeinden der Heiligen lasset eure Weiber schweigen in der Gemeinde; denn es soll ihnen nicht zugelassen werden, da� sie reden, sondern sie sollen untertan sein, wie auch das Gesetz sagt.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (KJV) Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (KJV+) Let4601 0 your5216 women1135 keep silence4601 in1722 the churches1577: for1063 it is2010 0 not3756 permitted2010 unto them846 to speak2980; but235 they are commanded to be under obedience5293, as2531 also2532 saith3004 the law3551.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (LITV) Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not allowed to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as also the Law says.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (MKJV) Let your women be silent in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak, but to be in subjection, as the Law also says.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (NAB) women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (SRV) Vuestras mujeres callen en las congregaciones; porque no les es permitido hablar, sino que est�n sujetas, como tambi�n la ley dice.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (WEB) let your wives keep silent in the assemblies, for it has not been permitted for them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as the law also says.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (Webster) Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted to them to speak: but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

1 Corinthians 14:34 (WNT) Let married women be silent in the Churches, for they are not permitted to speak. They must be content with a subordinate place, as the Law also says;

1 Corinthians 14:34 (YLT) Your women in the assemblies let them be silent, for it hath not been permitted to them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith;

 

Following responses from adulteresses, feminists and others who attempt to blaspheme the Word of God and change the meaning of "prophetess" to "teacher"

 

Original post in red, rebuttal in navy blue:

Even my wife was ticked off by the following feminazi statement. Please don't cancel your subscription to "How to Win Friends and Influence People":

<<<Some controlling men>>>

It's REQUIRED by God that men "control", otherwise they reject God's Orderly Arrangement. You may retort "some over-controlling men", but that leaves the topic wide open about WHO decides that, and someone who espouses feminism so forthrightly is not the person I would want to decide just HOW much is too much in my life.

Betty Friedan would be proud of you, but then she HATES the Word of God:

But I want you to know that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ, 1 Corinthians 11:3

 

How can a man be the "head" of a woman or his family if he doesn't control her and it?

He cannot. And just how MUCH control is not something to be decided by amoral feminazis like Friedan. 

<<<But is it about all women ? The contexts do NOT say so. In both verses the word for "women" is "goo-nay" (or "wife") and the word for "man" is "an-aur" which means "husband".>>>

<<<It is actually translated as "husband" in one verse, but not in the other, but this is shown in the Adam and Eve relationship mentioned in that verse>>>

Agreed that there's no provision for single women: because Numbers 30 which Paul was quoting makes NO provision for single women to be granted legal rights. Agreed also that "goo-nay" has been translated as both "woman" and "wife", and agreed that it must mean one or the other. But your assertion that this verse applies only to wives, based on the putative "marriage" between Adam and Eve [a concept which didn't even exist at the time], is faulty. "goo-nay" must mean woman, not wife, and clearly Numbers 30 shows how all women are to be under the authority of A man--usually a husband or father, but sometimes a brother or another close male relative.

All of Numbers is included here because it's pertinent to some other serious errors

 

<<<So in both verses Scripture refine the women concerned down married women only . We can see this in the second verse where it talks about the wife being saved in childbirth. A single woman does not have a husband to have children with. There is no evidence that these two passages refer to single women, even in a future potential manner.>>>

<<<Biblical marriage in its real meaning is not established without witnesses to a covenant>>>

Because of morons like Betty Friedan and her band of feminazis, who God HATES to His Marrow [whose phallic symbols, or "groves" God commanded the Israelites to pound to DUST] most women in the US who have children do NOT have husbands. But you, of all people Arnold, know that "marriage" doesn't require a ceremony, or even a vow from a woman [a vow which she can't even take unless her husband or father allows it]:

Exo 22:16 And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.

Exo 22:17If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins.

Unless her father "utterly refuse[s]", a man who has sex with a woman must "endow" [read: marry] her.

<<<It says exactly nothing about women being subject to other men than her husband here.>>>

 

Which is why you must refer to Numbers 30 which DOES say something about other men, and many of those other men are not husbands, which is why "goo-nay" must be a reference to any "woman" and not just a "wife".

 

<<<Historically, husbands and wives sat on opposite sides of the meeting place>>>

Chapter & verse, please. I've never heard such a preposterous thing, never saw a single verse which says that, never personally witnessed it in any place I've ever been in the entire world, and can imagine it to be true only in sinagogues. I also can't imagine how it would cause such a reaction, but have seen many unruly, noisome women in churches who this should and most likely does apply to.

<<<and Paul prohibited wives from calling out to their husbands to ask questions, but to wait until they were at home to do it >>>

Where does Paul get such authority? Paul was simply quoting Scripture as he always did, not creating new law or changing God's Law.

<<<Asking husbands at home says absolutely nothing about praying, praising and prophesying in public.>>>

You of all people KNOW, Arnold, that the word "ekklesia" which you infer  in your article means only "church" is used numerous times, by Paul himself, to refer to any public meeting, so your disingenuity here is, well, exposed for all to see and witness. What else can I say about that--you know you're wrong the instant you pen it. There's no provision for "single" women to even BE in church, much less have rights & privileges denied to married women.

 

<<<Subjection to a husband is not to be the result of a wife being terrorized!>>>

<<<The essence of this passage can be seen in the word "silence">>>

No, the essence is "have no authority" & "obedience", which is translated from "hupotasso", which is defined as follows:  

G5293,

hupotasso�, hoop-ot-as'-so, From G5259 and G5021; to subordinate; reflexively to obey: - be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.

Would you say that "reflexively to obey" would appear to be a Greek military term? If so, as an ex-military officer, I can knowledgeably advise you that "reflexively obey" does not even begin to imply "terrorized", as these are two different and almost opposite reactions or emotions. You cannot reflexively obey if you're terrorized.

 

Is there a difference between "superiority" and "authority over"?


Hopefully, we don't have a king, or a country president, or a company president, who isn't "superior" to most if not all other members of his organization in many aspects, otherwise it would make no sense to let such person remain  in that position.  There are exceptions, and they get removed very quickly (though sometimes it might seem like it's not quick enough).

God's Orderly Arrangement, or the "kosmos", is why it works this way, and certainly God would not give man authority over woman unless he was "superior" in precisely the ways that it's important to maintain the order of His "kosmos".   So whether the proper term is "superiority" or "authority over" is irrelevant, because they go hand in hand--in this relationship, one means the other.

Have modern women rejected God's Orderly Arrangement?  En masse!  Polls show that most women believe that women have a "higher IQ" than men, even though there isn't a single shred of statistical evidence to support that belief.  In every single way it can be measured, men are "superior" to women by a LARGE margin. So where do women get this idea?  From Scripture?  No.   From valid studies, or research, or statistics?  No.

From the LYING jew-controlled "news" media?

Why would so many women, en masse, reject all common sense, God's Law, and every shred of statistical evidence--and instead trust a jew?

For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, 2 Timothy 3:6-7

 


Gen 3:16 Unto the woman802 he said559, I will greatly7235 multiply7235 thy sorrow6093 and thy conception2032; in sorrow6089 thou shalt bring forth3205 children1121; and thy desire8669 shall be to thy husband376, and he shall rule4910 over thee. (to thy...: or, subject to thy husband)

woman:  802 'ishshah ish-shaw' feminine of 376 or 582; irregular plural, nashiym {naw-sheem'}; a woman (used in the same wide sense as 582):--(adulter)ess, each, every, female, X many, + none, one, + together, wife, woman. Often unexpressed in English.

husband:  376 'iysh eesh contracted for 582 (or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant); a man as an individual or a male person; often used as an adjunct to a more definite term (and in such cases frequently not expressed in translation):--also, another, any (man), a certain, + champion, consent, each, every (one), fellow, (foot-, husband-)man, (good-, great, mighty) man, he, high (degree), him (that is), husband, man(-kind), + none, one, people, person, + steward, what (man) soever, whoso(-ever), worthy. Compare 802.

An unmarried woman who has sex outside of marriage is always referred to as a "whore", "harlot", "fornicator", or "prostitute" in the Holy Bible.  Whenever it makes a reference to only a "woman", it automatically assumes that we understand this to be a reference to a married woman--even though the strict translation could mean just any woman. It refers to an unmarried woman who does not have sex outside of marriage, and who is under the authority of her father, as a "virgin", and to any woman who has sex with anyone other than her husband, divorced or not, as an "adulteress".

The punishment for an "adulteress" is stoning.  "Whores", "harlots", "fornicators", and "prostitutes are not welcome in the church:

(1 Corinthians 6:9) Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals,

(1 Corinthians 6:10) nor thieves, nor covetous ones, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor plunderers shall inherit the kingdom of God.

HULDAH 2 KINGS 22:14

(2Ki 22:14) So Hilkiah2518 the priest3548, and Ahikam296, and Achbor5907, and Shaphan8227, and Asahiah6222, went3212 unto Huldah2468 the prophetess5031, the wife802 of Shallum7967 the son1121 of Tikvah8616, the son1121 of Harhas2745, keeper8104 of the wardrobe899; (now she dwelt3427 in Jerusalem3389 in the college4932;) and they communed1696 with her. wardrobe: Heb. garments in the...: or, in the second part

5031 nbiy'ah neb-ee-yaw' feminine of 5030; a prophetess or (generally) inspired woman; by implication, a poetess; by association a prophet's wife:--prophetess.

Huldah was called a "prophetess" because she was the wife of a prophet, and there's no evidence that she ever taught or had authority over a man.

PRISCILLA--ACTS 18:24-26

Meggie  asked "Why did Paul praise a woman minister?" with reference to the following Scripture:

(Acts 18:24-26 KJV)  "And a certain Jew named Apollos...came to Ephesus...{26}...whom...Aquila and Priscilla...expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly."

while ignoring that Priscilla was not a minister, but instead was the wife of a jew (Aquila) who had been expelled from Rome:

Act 18:2 And finding a certain Jew by name Aquila, of Pontus by race, having recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome, he came to them.

In other words, she was under the authority of her husband Aquila, who is thus one of those whom "if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church".

There is not a shred of evidence in the Holy Bible that Priscilla ever violated this rule in a church or synagogue.

PHOEBE--ROMANS 16:1

She then ask "Why would Paul say women can't speak and then say they can and boast of one teaching Apollos and stay with an evangelist whose daughters prophesied and laud a woman minister?" and referenced the following Scripture:

(Darby) Romans 16:1 But I commend to you Phoebe, our sister, who is minister of the assembly which is in Cenchrea;

There are only two references to Phoebe in the Holy Bible, and they both refer to her as a "servant" rather than a "minister":

Rom 16:1 (ASV) I commend unto you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church that is at Cenchreae:

Rom 16:1 (GLB) Ich befehle euch aber unsere Schwester Ph�be, welche ist im Dienste der Gemeinde zu Kenchre�,

Rom 16:1 (KJV) I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

Rom 16:1 (LITV) But I commend our sister Phoebe to you, being a servant of the assembly in Cenchrea,

Rom 16:1 (MKJV) I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea,

Rom 16:1 (SRV) ENCOMI�NDOOS empero � Febe nuestra hermana, la cual es diaconisa de la iglesia que est� en Cencreas:

Rom 16:1 (WEB) I commend to you Phoebe, our sister, who is a servant of the assembly that is at Cenchreae,

Rom 16:1 (Webster) I commend to you Phebe our sister, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

Rom 16:1 (WNT) Herewith I introduce our sister Phoebe to you, who is a servant of the Church at Cenchreae,

The following verse shows that she was a "servant" who acted as a messenger to deliver Paul's letters from Rome to Corinth, not that she was a "minister" who violated 1 Corinthians 14:34-35:

Rom 16:27 To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen. Written to the Romans from Corinthus, and sent by Phebe servant of the church at Cenchrea.

 

The fact that Paul took the time to thank Phebe for delivering his messages for him in no way indicates, proves, or even hints that she ever violated 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 by speaking or having authority in a church, assembly, or synagogue, but instead proves that she did NOT.  Who could really think Paul would have taken the time to write about Phebe if she had ever spoken in a church or synagogue?  We know that his *written* position has been translated, read, and understood by more human beings than any other publication on Earth, so why would feminists be so desperate to try to fool everyone with such an unwarranted presumption?

ANNA--LUKE 2:36

Anna has been referenced by some as a woman who was permitted to speak before an assembly or church meeting, but the following Scripture indicates that she was speaking to potential converts to Christianity personally rather than before an assembly.  She was an 84 year old widow, which means that she was not a "prostitute", "fornicator", "whore", nor "harlot":

(Luk 2:36) And there was Anna, a prophetess, daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher, she was much advanced in days, having lived with an husband seven years from her virginity,

(Luk 2:37) and she is a widow of about eighty-four years, who did depart not from the temple, with fasts and supplications serving, night and day,

(Luk 2:38) and she, at that hour, having come in, was confessing, likewise, to the Lord, and was speaking concerning him, to all those looking for redemption in Jerusalem.

Being a prophet or prophetess does not require one to speak before an assembly, because this could involve only "one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight".  By no means does this even imply that Anna violated the rules of the church:

Main Entry: proph�et
Pronunciation: 'pr�-f&t
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English prophete, from Old French, from Latin propheta, from Greek prophEtEs, from pro for + phanai to speak -- more at
FOR, BAN
Date: 12th century
1 : one who utters divinely inspired revelations; specifically often capitalized : the writer of one of the prophetic books of the Old Testament
2 : one gifted with more than ordinary spiritual and moral insight; especially : an inspired poet
3 : one who foretells future events :
PREDICTOR
4 : an effective or leading spokesman for a cause, doctrine, or group
5 Christian Science a : a spiritual seer b : disappearance of material sense before the conscious facts of spiritual Truth
- proph�et�hood  /-"hud/ noun

 

1 Corinthians 14:34

The literal translation from Greek

"Keep your women silent in assemblies, because they are never permitted to utter; indeed, they must obey according even to the law.  Moreover, if they wish to understand, they must ask their husbands at home, because it is a disgrace for women to utter in an assembly."

The tone of the following translations differ from the tone of the original Holy Bible:

DARBY:  Let [your] women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not permitted to them to speak; but to be in subjection, as the law also says. But if they wish to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is a shame for a woman to speak in assembly.

KJV:  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

NKJV:  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.   And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

YLT:  Your women in the assemblies let them be silent, for it hath not been permitted to them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith; and if they wish to learn anything, at home their own husbands let them question, for it is a shame to women to speak in an assembly.

RSV:  For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.

  • "Let" and "silence" were derived from "sigao" which means "to keep silent".
  • "Church" is derived from "ekklesia" which means "assembly".
  • "For" was derived from "gar" which means "because".
  • "Not" was derived from "oo" which means "never".
  • "Is permitted" was derived from "epitrepo" which means "permit" or "suffer"
  • "Speak" was derived from "laleo" which means "utter".
  • "But" is derived from "alla" which means "indeed".
  • "under obedience" is derived from "hupotasso" which means "to obey".
  • "as" is derived from "kathos", which means "according to".
  • "also" is derived from "kai" which means "even".
  • "saith" is derived from "lego" which means "to mean".
  • "And" is derived from "de" which means "moreover".
  • "will" is derived from "thelo" which means "to wish".
  • "learn" is derived from "manthano" which means "understand".
  • "For" was derived from "gar" which means "because".
  • "Shame" is derived from "aischron" which means "shameful thing" or "disgrace".

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:09 PM

There is something wrong with it, it goes against Jewish law. In fact it is because it is FOR WOMEN that there is this law. It is a *feminist law* - women do NOT have to do time bound mitzvahs. Men only have to. Women are considered HIGHER developed souls and therefore are not required to. Judaism is a very feminist religion - for those who do not understand why certain laws are made like this, they think it is against women, IT ISN'T!

-- Joni Ferris


----- Original Message -----

From: James Gary <ereunao@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:47 AM

At 05:26 AM 8/23/01 -0700, Andy wrote:

As a member here, she and you have the same right to speak and debate or present ideas as everyone else. Perhaps it would help to know that 1 Tim 2:12 (suffer not a woman to teach) is part of a letter to a local Pastor from Paul, telling him how to organize his Christian Church.


Hi Andy,

I have watched this discussion, with no true debate on the issue.  It seems that it's so volatile that people want to force this issue without benefit of Biblical exegesis.  I thought I might give what I understand is being taught in 1 Tim 2:12. If anyone disagrees, I would appreciate their input in aiding my understanding of this subject.

When I  view a passage, especially one such as this one, that causes so much disagreement among the brethren, I have to take it in the context of the entire Bible.  In this case, Do we have examples of other teachings that would contradict the 1 Tim 2:11-12 teaching if it is to be taken at face value? 

I would have to say yes!  Some commentators on the Bible will admit that to take these verses literally tend to make Paul contradict himself.  The passage of 1 tim 2:11-12 tends to be taken in tandem with 1 Cor 14:34-35 even though the word "silence" in both passages are not the same Greek word nor do they have the same definition.  But when commenting on the meaning of another Paulinean statement,  1 Cor 11:5, many commentators have a dilemma.  They realize and admit there appears to be a problem because that verse does say that a woman can speak in assembly.

 

This is a faulty assumption.  Re-read this closely and you will see that "praying" and "prophesying" do not require, nor imply, that a woman should be permitted to speak in an assembly [read: church, or community].  Prayer can be both silent and verbal, so in light of the other Scripture you cited, you can only assume that this reference is to silent prayer.  There's nothing about prosephying that *requires* speech before an assembly [or church or community], so if the rule is

"Let a woman learn in silence, in all subjection.  And I do not allow a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence", then you can only interpret this as silent prosephy.

 

There is only a conflict if you make the  unwarranted assumption that this reference is to spoken prayer or prophesy.  But when just 2 chapters later it is written: "women should keep silent in the churches, for they are not allowed to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. But if they want to learn anything, they should ask their husbands at home. For it is improper for a woman to speak in the church", then it's just not clear how you can make the assumption that this refers to verbal prophesy.

 

1 Corinthians 11:5 (ASV) But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonoreth her head; for it is one and the same thing as if she were shaven.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (Darby) But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered puts her own head to shame; for it is one and the same as a shaved woman .

1 Corinthians 11:5 (GLB) Ein Weib aber, das da betet oder weissagt mit unbedecktem Haupt, die sch�ndet ihr Haupt, denn es ist ebensoviel, als w�re es geschoren.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (KJV) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (KJV+) But1161 every3956 woman1135 that prayeth4336 or2228 prophesieth4395 with her head2776 uncovered177 dishonoureth2617 her1438 head2776: for1063 that is2076 even2532 all one1520 as if846 she were shaven3587.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (LITV) And every woman praying or prophesying with the head unveiled dishonors her head, for it is the same as being shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (MKJV) But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head; for that is even the same as if she were shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (NAB) But any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled brings shame upon her head, for it is one and the same thing as if she had had her head shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (SRV) Mas toda mujer que ora � profetiza no cubierta su cabeza, afrenta su cabeza; porque lo mismo es que si se rayese.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (WEB) But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonors her head. For it is one and the same thing as if she were shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (Webster) But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered, dishonoreth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaved.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (WNT) but a woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her Head, for it is exactly the same as if she had her hair cut short.

1 Corinthians 11:5 (YLT) and every woman praying or prophesying with the head uncovered, doth dishonour her own head, for it is one and the same thing with her being shaven,


They are then faced with the difficult task of making these seemingly contradictory passages fit.  So they say things, i.e., being in silence means not asking questions or teaching a man.  Of course this brings on another contention.  Paul praises a woman named Priscilla for teaching a great man of God named Apollos.  In fact Priscilla and her husband allowed their home to be a gathering place for the "church".  If, as the Bible says, where two or more are gathered in Christ's name, He is there also, then the gathering of Apollos, Acquila and Priscilla in their home, which was considered a "church" was an "ekklesia". I find no other way to view this passage than a woman teaching a man in a "church". 

 

 

This is not evidence at all that Priscilla violated 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 and in fact is evidence that she did not.  She was under the authority of her husband, a jew named Aquila, in his home where "they should ask their husbands at home" and where she "should be subordinate, as even the law says".  It can't get much clearer than that.

 

And lets not forget that the prophetess Anna spoke about Christ in the Temple.  And on the day of Pentecost women prophesied in mixed company.

 

Anna has been referenced by some as a woman who was permitted to speak before an assembly or church meeting, but the following Scripture indicates that she was speaking to potential converts to Christianity personally rather than before an assembly.  She was an 84 year old widow, which means that she was not a "prostitute", "fornicator", "whore", nor "harlot" which is how the Holy Bible describes women who have sex outside of marriage:

(Luk 2:36) And there was Anna, a prophetess, daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher, she was much advanced in days, having lived with an husband seven years from her virginity,

(Luk 2:37) and she is a widow of about eighty-four years, who did depart not from the temple, with fasts and supplications serving, night and day,

(Luk 2:38) and she, at that hour, having come in, was confessing, likewise, to the Lord, and was speaking concerning him, to all those looking for redemption in Jerusalem.

In other words, there simply is no evidence here that Anna violated this rule of the church.

So how do we solve this dilemma?  Do we just overlook these seemingly contradictions to hold onto the one we, personally find more favorable or do we allow the Bible to interpret itself?  When I was first faced with this challenged, I went to Bullinger's Companion Bible and found that the word for "silence" in 1 Tim 2:11 simply meant "peaceable" or "tranquil".  Bullinger showed this was the same word that applied to "men" in 1 Tim 2:2.  In that verse, Paul tells us that all men are to live a peaceable life.

 

One of the things that permits men to "live a peaceable life" is if women are quiet and do not "exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence".  Living a peaceable life requires women, not men, to be quiet or "in silence".  This language is clear enough so you should consider what motivates you to want to twist the words around like this.

When Paul gets to verse 12, the comparison is to Adam and Eve in verse 13.  What relationship did these two have?  They were husband and wife.  As Paul shows elsewhere in the Bible, we know that there are roles for the husband and wife.  Does anyone think this can be a relationship other than husband and wife because of the example given in verse 13?  Are we not to take verse 12 in context within the entire Bible? 

What I see being said in this very controversial chapter is Paul admonishing the "ekklesia" to live a quiet and peaceable life. He then addresses the relationship between husband and wife because this is where the quiet life has to begin because of the two living together.  He says the wife should have peace and quiet in order to learn.   He says it's the husband's responsibility to know the word of God enough to teach his wife.  Paul gives the example of a husband and wife that did not follow this in Adam and Eve. 

In that example we see Adam being taught by God.  And we're told that it's the husband's responsibility to teach his wife.  When sin entered the "world", we're told it entered by Adam.  But Eve was the first to partake of the forbidden fruit. We're told that Adam was not deceived, but Eve was.  If Eve was properly taught, would she have been deceived?  Could she have known the truth and be deceived?  Isn't deception the opposite of truth? 

 

This doesn't fit the real world, and it seems to be contrary to the entire message of Genesis.  We live in a society where women have clearly gotten the word that adultery is a sin and a crime--yet feminists openly brag on national television that "70% of American women commit adultery within 5 years of getting married", and where DNA studies show that one fifth to one third of the children born to "intact families" aren't even genetically related to the husband of that family.

Were these women "deceived", or did they openly and flagrantly defy the law and the Ten Commandments as a direct result of so many women having been permitted to "speak before an assembly"?

That's not a rhetorical question.  Your opinion about this would be greatly appreciated.



So I believe what's being said by Paul in 1 Timothy 2:11-15 is that it's the responsibility to learn the word of God and teach it to his wife.  Adam allowed Eve to "teach" or "tell" him what to do when he knew better.  From my understanding I see the responsibly here being put on the husband for keeping order in his home.  This can be compared to 1 Cor 14:34-35.  In that passage, it is clear that this is to husband and wife as the man is called the woman's own man.  The Greek phrase translated "own man" is used in many places in the New Testament and is always speaking of a husband and wife.  In fact literal translations, i.e., Youngs show the "man" spoken of in this passage is a "husband". 

 

Agreed.  One of the things that many, many women [feminists?] on the internet tend to preach is that "adultery is a woman's right".  This should offend each and every one of the 264 million putative Christians in this country to the core.  What they're preaching should bring images of hellfire and brimstone to each one of our eyes.

The Holy Bible tells us exactly what we will get as just desserts if we continue to permit feminists to write books and movies and plays with such a central theme, and to make money from it in the process.


Also in 1 Cor 14:34-35 Paul refers to what he is saying as what the Law says.  Bullinger shows this Law to be Gen 3:16  which again is Adam and Eve in a husband and wife relationship. Again even in this passage we see the admonition being placed on the husband to do his responsibility.  So I can come to no other conclusion that 1 Tim 2:11-15 in conjunction with the remainder of the chapter within the context of the Bible is about the order of the home with the man taking his responsibility and not just letting the wife have to get knowledge on her own as Eve obviously did. Paul says if this order is followed and the wife is taught properly by the husband her "salvation" will come through her teaching her children the right and wonderful way of God.  Is this not the comparison to Christ's relationship to the "ekklesia"?  Is that not a husband and wife relationship?

 

Agreed.  But you seem to be refuting the earlier parts of your post.



I humbly submit this for all to critique in hopes we can come to some Godly understanding of this obviously misunderstood subject and bring a hint of unity to God's people and we can follow the admonition of the great St. Paul and live a peaceable and quiet life.  Thank you for your time and attention and my God bless each and everyone of us with peace and quiet.


By the grace of God

James Gary

 

To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.",  Genesis 3:16

John Knight


----- Original Message -----

From: Meggie

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 1:39 AM

Subject: [ChristSword] Re: Khazarian Fag-Hag Wants to "Do something about it"

At 12:53 AM 8/22/01 -0500, Martin Lindstedt wrote:

My dear FaggiePoley, you Khazarian Mamzer Fag-Hag:


My dear faggot rabbi!

--Martin Lindstedt
Hammer of Khazar Mamzer Fag-Hags


You mean faggot lover of rabbi kike.


Teach versus Prophesy

 

It has been posited that the scripture which permits women to "pray or prophesy with her head covered" also includes permission for women to "teach", but there are 108 references in the Holy Bible to "teach", which include eleven different, very precise Greek and Hebrew words

TEACH


Exo 18:20 And thou shalt teach2094 853 them ordinances2706 and laws8451, and shalt shew3045 them the way1870 wherein they must walk3212, and the work4639 that they must do6213.

2094 zahar zaw-har' a primitive root; to gleam; figuratively, to enlighten (by caution):--admonish, shine, teach, (give) warn(-ing).


Deu 4:9 Only take heed8104 to thyself, and keep8104 thy soul5315 diligently3966, lest thou forget7911 the things1697 which thine eyes5869 have seen7200, and lest they depart5493 from thy heart3824 all the days3117 of thy life2416: but teach3045 them thy sons1121, and thy sons1121' sons1121;

3045 yada` yaw-dah' a primitive root; to know (properly, to ascertain by seeing); used in a great variety of senses, figuratively, literally, euphemistically and inferentially (including observation, care, recognition; and causatively, instruction, designation, punishment, etc.) (as follow):--acknowledge, acquaintance(-ted with), advise, answer, appoint, assuredly, be aware, (un-)awares, can(-not), certainly, comprehend, consider, X could they, cunning, declare, be diligent, (can, cause to) discern, discover, endued with, familiar friend, famous, feel, can have, be (ig-)norant, instruct, kinsfolk, kinsman, (cause to let, make) know, (come to give, have, take) knowledge, have (knowledge), (be, make, make to be, make self) known, + be learned, + lie by man, mark, perceive, privy to, X prognosticator, regard, have respect, skilful, shew, can (man of) skill, be sure, of a surety, teach, (can) tell, understand, have (understanding), X will be, wist, wit, wot.


Exo 4:12 And now go, and I will be with your mouth and teach you what you shall say.

(Deu 24:8) Take heed8104 in the plague5061 of leprosy6883, that thou observe8104 diligently3966, and do6213 according to all that the priests3548 the Levites3881 shall teach3384 you: as I commanded6680 them, so ye shall observe8104 to do6213.

3384 yarah yaw-raw' or (2 Chr. 26:15) yara; {yaw-raw'}; a primitive root; properly, to flow as water (i.e. to rain); transitively, to lay or throw (especially an arrow, i.e. to shoot); figuratively, to point out (as if by aiming the finger), to teach:--(+) archer, cast, direct, inform, instruct, lay, shew, shoot, teach(-er,-ing), through.


Jer 9:20 Yet hear the Word of Jehovah, O women, and let your ear receive the Word of His mouth, and teach your daughters to weep, and each one teach her neighbor to mourn.

Jdg 3:2 only that the generations of the sons of Israel might know, to teach them war, at the least those who before knew nothing of it:

Ezr 7:10 For Ezra5830 had prepared3559 his heart3824 to seek1875 the law8451 of the LORD3068, and to do6213 it , and to teach3925 in Israel3478 statutes2706 and judgments4941.

3925 lamad law-mad' a primitive root; properly, to goad, i.e. (by implication) to teach (the rod being an Oriental incentive):(un-) accustomed, X diligently, expert, instruct, learn, skilful, teach(-er, - ing).


1Ti 3:2 A bishop1985 then3767 must1163 be1511 blameless423, the husband435 of one3391 wife1135, vigilant3524, sober4998, of good behaviour2887, given to hospitality5382, apt to teach1317; (of good...: or, modest)

1317 didaktikos did-ak-tik-os' from 1318; instructive ("didactic"):--apt to teach.


1Ti 2:12 But1161 I suffer2010 not3756 a woman1135 to teach1321, nor3761 to usurp authority831 over the man435, but235 to be1511 in1722 silence2271.

Mat 5:19 Whosoever3739 1437 therefore3767 shall break3089 one3391 of these5130 least1646 commandments1785, and2532 shall teach1321 men444 so3779, he shall be called2564 the least1646 in1722 the kingdom932 of heaven3772: but1161 whosoever3739 302 shall do4160 and2532 teach1321 them , the same3778 shall be called2564 great3173 in1722 the kingdom932 of heaven3772.

Mat 11:1 And2532 it came to pass1096, when3753 Jesus2424 had made an end5055 of commanding1299 his846 twelve1427 disciples3101, he departed3327 thence1564 to teach1321 and2532 to preach2784 in1722 their846 cities4172.

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding235 I have2192 a few things3641 against2596 thee4675, because3754 thou sufferest1439 that woman1135 Jezebel2403, which3588 calleth3004 herself1438 a prophetess4398, to teach1321 and2532 to seduce4105 my1699 servants1401 to commit fornication4203, and2532 to eat5315 things sacrificed unto idols1494.

1321 didasko did-as'-ko a prolonged (causative) form of a primary verb dao (to learn); to teach (in the same broad application):--teach.

[editor's note:  Jesus Christ did not practive affirmative action in His selection of his Apostles--He didn't select one nigger, one Latrino, and 6 women--He selected 12 Israelite men.]


1Ti 1:3 As2531 I besought3870 thee4571 to abide still4357 at1722 Ephesus2181, when I went4198 into1519 Macedonia3109, that2443 thou mightest charge3853 some5100 that they teach2085 0 no3361 other doctrine2085,

1Ti 6:3 If any man1536 teach otherwise2085, and2532 consent4334 not3361 to wholesome5198 words3056, even the words of our2257 Lord2962 Jesus2424 Christ5547, and2532 to the doctrine1319 which is according2596 to godliness2150;

2085 heterodidaskaleo het-er-od-id-as-kal-eh'-o from 2087 and 1320; to instruct differently:--teach other doctrine(-wise).


Act 16:21 And2532 teach2605 customs1485, which3739 are1832 0 not3756 lawful1832 for us2254 to receive3858, neither3761 to observe4160, being5607 Romans4514.

2605 kataggello kat-ang-gel'-lo from 2596 and the base of 32; to proclaim, promulgate:--declare, preach, shew, speak of, teach.


1 Corinthians 14:19 Yet235 in1722 the church1577 I had rather2309 speak2980 five4002 words3056 with1223 my3450 understanding3563, that2443 by my voice I might teach2727 others243 also2532, than2228 ten thousand3463 words3056 in1722 an unknown tongue1100.

2727 katecheo kat-ay-kheh'-o from 2596 and 2279; to sound down into the ears, i.e. (by implication) to indoctrinate ("catechize") or (genitive case) to apprise of:--inform, instruct, teach.


Mat 28:19 Go ye4198 therefore3767, and teach3100 all3956 nations1484, baptizing907 them846 in1519 the name3686 of the Father3962, and2532 of the Son5207, and2532 of the Holy40 Ghost4151: (teach...: or, make disciples, or, Christians of all nations)

3100 matheteuo math-ayt-yoo'-o from 3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar:--be disciple, instruct, teach.


(Tit 2:4) that they might train the young women to be lovers of husbands, lovers of children,

4994 sophronizo so-fron-id'-zo from 4998; to make of sound mind, i.e. (figuratively) to discipline or correct:--teach to be sober.

[Editor's note: A more correct translation might be:   "that they may discipline the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, and to love their children".]


PROPHETESS

Exo 15:20 And Miriam4813 the prophetess5031, the sister269 of Aaron175, took3947 a timbrel8596 in her hand3027; and all the women802 went out3318 after310 her with timbrels8596 and with dances4246.

Jdg 4:4 And Deborah1683, a prophetess5031, the wife802 of Lapidoth3941, she judged8199 Israel3478 at that time6256.

5031 nbiy'ah neb-ee-yaw' feminine of 5030; a prophetess or (generally) inspired woman; by implication, a poetess; by association a prophet's wife:--prophetess.


Neh 6:14 My God430, think2142 thou upon Tobiah2900 and Sanballat5571 according to these their works4639, and on the prophetess5031 Noadiah5129, and the rest3499 of the prophets5030, that would have put me in fear3372.

5129 Now`adyah no-ad-yaw' from 3259 and 3050; convened of Jah; Noadjah, the name of an Israelite, and a false prophetess:--Noadiah.


Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding235 I have2192 a few things3641 against2596 thee4675, because3754 thou sufferest1439 that woman1135 Jezebel2403, which3588 calleth3004 herself1438 a prophetess4398, to teach1321 and2532 to seduce4105 my1699 servants1401 to commit fornication4203, and2532 to eat5315 things sacrificed unto idols1494.

4398 mal'ak mal-ak' (Aramaic) corresponding to 4397; an angel:--angel.

 


PROPHECY

 


2Ch 9:29 Now the rest7605 of the acts1697 of Solomon8010, first7223 and last314, are they not written3789 in the book1697 of Nathan5416 the prophet5030, and in the prophecy5016 of Ahijah281 the Shilonite7888, and in the visions2378 of Iddo3260 the seer2374 against Jeroboam3379 the son1121 of Nebat5028? (book: Heb. words)

5016 nbuw'ah neb-oo-aw' from 5012; a prediction (spoken or written):--prophecy.


Dan 9:24 Seventy7657 weeks7620 are determined2852 upon thy people5971 and upon thy holy6944 city5892, to finish3607 the transgression6588, and to make an end8552 2856 of sins2403, and to make reconciliation3722 for iniquity5771, and to bring in935 everlasting5769 righteousness6664, and to seal up2856 the vision2377 and prophecy5030, and to anoint4886 the most6944 Holy6944. (finish: or, restrain) (make an...: or, seal up) (prophecy: Heb. prophet)

5030 nabiy' naw-bee' from 5012; a prophet or (generally) inspired man:--prophecy, that prophesy, prophet.


Pro 31:1 The words1697 of king4428 Lemuel3927, the prophecy4853 that his mother517 taught3256 him.

4853 massa' mas-saw' from 5375; a burden; specifically, tribute, or (abstractly) porterage; figuratively, an utterance, chiefly a doom, especially singing; mental, desire:--burden, carry away, prophecy, X they set, song, tribute.


2Pe 1:21 For1063 the prophecy4394 came5342 not3756 in old time4218 by the will2307 of man444: but235 holy40 men444 of God2316 spake2980 as they were moved5342 by5259 the Holy40 Ghost4151. (in old time: or, at any time)

Rev 1:3 Blessed3107 is he that readeth314, and2532 they that hear191 the words3056 of this prophecy4394, and2532 keep5083 those things which are written1125 therein1722 846: for1063 the time2540 is at hand1451.

Rev 22:18 For1063 I testify4828 unto every man3956 that heareth191 the words3056 of the prophecy4394 of this5127 book975, If1437 any man5100 shall add2007 unto4314 these things5023, God2316 shall add2007 unto1909 him846 the plagues4127 that are written1125 in1722 this5129 book975:

4394 propheteia prof-ay-ti'-ah from 4396 ("prophecy"); prediction (scriptural or other):--prophecy, prophesying.

scrip�tur�al (skrpchr-l)
adj.
  1. Of or relating to writing; written.
  2. often Scriptural Of, relating to, based on, or contained in the Scriptures.

scriptur�al�ly adv.

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(1 Corinthians 11:3) But1161 I would have2309 you5209 know1492, that3754 the head2776 of every3956 man435 is2076 Christ5547; and1161 the head2776 of the woman1135 is the man435; and1161 the head2776 of Christ5547 is God2316.

(1 Corinthians 11:4) Every3956 man435 praying4336 or2228 prophesying4395, having2192 his head2776 covered2596, dishonoureth2617 his846 head2776.

(1 Corinthians 11:5) But1161 every3956 woman1135 that prayeth4336 or2228 prophesieth4395 with her head2776 uncovered177 dishonoureth2617 her1438 head2776: for1063 that is2076 even2532 all one1520 as if846 she were shaven3587.

(1 Corinthians 11:6) For1063 if1487 the woman1135 be2619 0 not3756 covered2619, let her2751 0 also2532 be shorn2751: but1161 if1487 it be a shame149 for a woman1135 to be shorn2751 or2228 shaven3587, let her be covered2619.

4395 propheteuo prof-ate-yoo'-o from 4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office:--prophesy.


2Pe 1:19 We have2192 also2532 a more sure949 word3056 of prophecy4397; whereunto3739 ye do4160 well2573 that ye take heed4337, as5613 unto a light3088 that shineth5316 in1722 a dark850 place5117, until2193 3739 the day2250 dawn1306, and2532 the day star5459 arise393 in1722 your5216 hearts2588:

4397 prophetikos prof-ay-tik-os' from 4396; pertaining to a foreteller ("prophetic"):--of prophecy, of the prophets.


(Eze 23:45) And as righteous men, they shall judge them with the judgment of adulteresses, and the judgment of women who shed blood, because they are adulteresses, and blood is in their hands.

(Eze 23:46) For so says the Lord Jehovah: Bring up on them an assembly, and give them to terror and plunder.

(Eze 23:47) And the assembly shall stone them with stones and cut them down with their swords. They shall slay their sons and their daughters, and they shall burn their houses with fire.

(Eze 23:48) So I will cause to cease wickedness out of the land, that all the women may be taught, even not to do according to your wickedness.

(Eze 23:49) And they shall put your wickedness on you, and you shall bear the sins of your idols. And you shall know that I am the Lord Jehovah.

 

 

 

1 Tim 2:8  I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up
holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
1 Tim 2:9  In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in
modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided
hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1 Tim 2:10  But (which becometh women professing godliness) with
good works.
1 Tim 2:11  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 Tim 2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp
authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Tim 2:13  For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1 Tim 2:14  And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived
was in the transgression.
1 Tim 2:15  Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if
they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

The qualifications and behaviour of gospel bishops

1 Tim 3:1  This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a
bishop, he desireth a good work.
1 Tim 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife,
vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to
teach;
1 Tim 3:3  Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy
lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1 Tim 3:4  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children
in subjection with all gravity;
1 Tim 3:5  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how
shall he take care of the church of God?)
1 Tim 3:6  Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall
into the condemnation of the devil.
1 Tim 3:7  Moreover he must have a good report of them which are
without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

And of deacons and their wives

1 Tim 3:8  Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued,
not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1 Tim 3:9  Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
1 Tim 3:10  And let these also first be proved; then let them use
the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1 Tim 3:11  Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers,
sober, faithful in all things.
1 Tim 3:12  Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling
their children and their own houses well.
1 Tim 3:13  For they that have used the office of a deacon well
purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the
faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Pet 3:1  Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own
husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the
word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1 Pet 3:2  While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with
fear.
1 Pet 3:3  Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of
plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of
apparel;
1 Pet 3:4  But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which
is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit,
which is in the sight of God of great price.
1 Pet 3:5  For after this manner in the old time the holy women
also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection
unto their own husbands:
1 Pet 3:6  Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose
daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any
amazement.
1 Pet 3:7  Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to
knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel,
and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers
be not hindered.

1 Cor 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace,
as in all churches of the saints.

1 Cor 14:34  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is
not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under
obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Cor 14:35  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their
husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Titus 2:3  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as
becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine,
teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4  That they may teach the young women [at home] to be
sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient
to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Prov 27:15  A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a
contentious woman are alike.


 

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