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From: "Jodie Fraser" mirthmobile@yahoo.com  
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I cannot believe my eyes. If I am to submit to your propaganda, I am
unintelligent, undesirable, incapable of making a rational decision on my
own and am naturally inferior to men. As a twenty year old feminist who is
articulate, smart, attractive and non-sexist, I absolutely resent what you
are saying. Most feminists do not hate men, so why on earth are you people
so hell-bent on male supremacy? Neither gender is superior. the SCUM
manifesto hardly represents the majority of feminist philosophy. And if you
want to be taken seriously, I suggest you quit referring to certain women as
"stupid and ugly." By whose definition? You don't have statistics (as
dubious as the ones you do present may be) to prove that. And what the hell
does a woman's appearance have to do with her theories, anyway?
You say feminism is the cause of society's disintegration. Um, try
capitalism. If you did some research, you'd find that capitalism and
materialism are far more destructive than feminism has ever been.
Well, I invite you to respond, I quite enjoy philosophical and political
debates. It would be quite refreshing to have a low-key, intelligent email
discussion (not a screaming, propaganda-based rant, thanks) with someone
from an extreme right-wing group who isn't afraid to address a strong woman.
Prove me wrong.
Sincerely, J Fraser (you may call me Ms.)
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I find it incredibly sad and sickening that you have chosen to spew forth such
abominable, spiteful vitriol in your lame ass web page. How can you be so
permeated with hate? Your statistics are scientifically null, and your arguments
seem absolutely contrapuntal to the reality of the situation. I have a father
who espouses all the same dogma I read in your purported manifesto. I have
learned that men of your station fear female progress and therefore feel that
you must work to damage and subvert our potential in order to combat your own
ineptitude. And for your information, I am most certainly NOT intellectually
inferior. I am a physics major at a top notch institution of higher education,
and I have always scored highly on standardized tests. From my observations and
research, there is a marked social disinterest in the scholastic pursuits of
young women, and it is entirely erroneous to blame the disparity in male and
female test scores on biological determinism. I'm not going to waste any more
of my energy on countering the garbage you have exhorted. But then again,
there's no need to, for it's quite evident that you bear a strong abhorrence for
credent, intelligent discussion. You're full of shit.

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you represent everything that is wrong in this world. it's amazing
how so-called "educated" people can be so inhumane, arrogant,
intolerant and ignorant. you all fucking SUCK and i hope you all DIE
from simultaneous coronaries from your redneck truck-driver high
cholesterol low-fiber diets. DIE!

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You have great skill in convoluting logic to your own purpose.

I hoped that you would admit that you're just another reborn Christian
fundamentalist. Intolerance is all your menu admits.

How about just trying to deal with Dads and Kids issues?

Please keep religious dogma to yourself. Most of us don't need any more
sanctamonius proselitizing

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You've got to be kidding. Why don't you spend time with your family,
cleaning up after yourself instead of putting this kind of partriarcal
nonsense on a website.
Really man -- come out of your cave into the daylight!

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I assume this repeal is tongue-in-cheek. Very funny!

No one could be THAT sick!

The only way to repeal the amendment would be for women in large masses
to VOTE on the issue!

And how many women are going to do that?

Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. I suppose we should repeal the Civil
War too?

Dan Barker

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As a loving father and father's advocate, I am puzzled by your
references to "christians" in your literature. The jewish, buddist,
islamic and non-religious fathers I know are just as dedicated to
raising their children as christian fathers.

Why do you choose to exclude these loving fathers from your program?

Best - Tom Chandel

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You know I came here searching for divorce statistics and the deeper i dove
in to your site I became disgusted. This is mean and dimented. All of your
statistics regarding 12th grade females not understanding anything are
ridiculous. You have a lot of nerve calling Marie Curie a fraud as well.
You call yourselves a FATHER'S MANIFESTO but all you do is degrate women. I
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but a barbarian and a baboon!

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please take me off the list

grahamsdad@canada.com

Thanks... anthony
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not use them as weapons
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John Knight says:

> Each one of your "not going to happen"s is just as wrong as it was
> when you said the exact same thing about Proposition 209 just three
> years ago. Proposition 209 did happen, and you were just as dead
> wrong about that prediction as you are about these today. They all
> are going to happen--the only question is when.

Once again, we see that John Knight can't win an argument on the
facts, so he resorts to outright lying to smear his opponent. I never
said Prop 209 (the California Civil Rights Initiative) was not going to
pass - all the poll numbers indicated huge support from the
beginning, just as they've indicated huge support for the Defense of
Marriage Act coming up in March. Prop 209 was a winning issue
from the get-go, and the results have been uniformly good, except for
the backlash against the Republican Party by poorly-informed
minority voters. That's another issue.

Someday, parts of CAPTA and VAWA will be eroded, if serious
activists work on them hard enough, but there will never be an
outright repeal of the federal role in funding services for abused
children and battered women, nor will there be an outright, across the
board repeal of no-fault divorce anytime within the next 20 years. I'll
wager with anyone who has assets on all of that.

> But rather than waste any time explaining simple facts of life,
> let's focus on the underpinning of your life's philosophy, which is
> based on the following huge grievous feminist mantra:

> "Trapping women in abusive marriages is not a winning issue."

[Knight goes to preaching to the choir]

Knight, you are one seriously confused little puppy. I don't disagree
with you that marriage is generally good for women and children, and
neither does anyone else on this list. But convincing me and the
others of things we already believe does not amount to causing
social change.

There are specific circumstances where a marriage needs to end,
either for the mom's sake, the child's sake, or the dad's sake.
Anyone who is not insane accepts that simple fact, and we
Americans value our right to do as we please over just about
anything else.

So regardless of what I believe is right or wrong, the public is not
going to buy into the notion that it should be really, really hard to end
a marriage, or that child abuse should not be investigated, or that
battered women should not have shelter. The devil is in the details,
not in the general concept. There are problems with the detailed
implementation of all these notions, not with the notions themselves.

And only sane, rational people can deal with the details of due
process and equal protection. Leave it to the adults.

RB

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Subject: 3 Point Focus for Fathers :
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3 Point Focus for Fathers are:

(1) Help any and all Fathers going through
divorce or family break-up obtain Sole
Custody of his children.
(other parents don't need such help)

(2) E-mail President Clinton at:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/WH/Mail/html/Mail_President.html

asking (or demanding) that the Cuban boy, Elian, be returned
to his Father, now. (CC the media of your choice)

(3) Support and pass legislation before the US Senate

HR 3073 Fatherhood Counts act

and

S 1363 Responsible Fatherhood Act

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At the time of Jesus, there was a strict legal procedure
for capital crimes, part of which is stated in the Torah,
the five books of Moses, and the rest which became part
of the "Oral Law". Murder was not treated as a crime
against God primarily, and the execution for premeditated
murder was by the hands of an avenger of blood; it was
not done by the court itself.

The other cases for the death penalty were made almost
impossible by the religious courts, so much so that
the state took it over. There was a Torah requirement of
two witnesses to the same act, and the courts required two
other witnesses to have seen a previous act and warned that
this could lead to the death penalty. Also, death by stoning
had become much more humane, using large stones in such
a way as to cause quick and nearly painless death.

Jesus was not stopping a legal execution, but a lynch mob.

Also, Jesus was not tried by a religious court, but by a
Roman court operating under Roman law for crimes against
Rome. The number of errors in the account of the trial
is, I understand, more than 20; I can name many myself.

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You and Victor need to get a life.... At times I wonder, are Victor and
"Father's Manifesto" one in the same? Does "Sybil" get you all stirred up?

Send me your addresses and we will send you a PIZZA.

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From: Alanna C Sweeney faerie2@juno.com

Firstly, I don't appreciate the condescending tone you're taking. In
fact, I think that Clinton was a rather good choice for president.
Admittedly, the man has some personal issues, but I'm a firm believer in
keeping the personal private. If he wants to have an affair with an
intern, as long as it doesn't interfere with his ability to govern, then
that's his business. You're probably thinking, but the Starr
investigation *did* interfere with Clinton's ability to govern. True, but
that's the fault of Congress, not Clinton. *He* wasn't the one who
ordered a ridiculously extravagant investigation of himself.

Speaking of Clinton, I hope you agree that he's helped bring the country
out of a recession. We now have a budget surplus, as opposed to the
multi-trillion-dollar debt we had at the end of Bush's presidency. Or is
the fact that our government has actual money now *really* a problem?

Alanna Sweeney

PS Do you mean a benefit for American society in general as a result of
the 19th amendment? In that case see above. Or do you mean a benefit for
women, as you said in your last email? ("there must be at least ONE
benefit that women got from the 19th Amendment. Right?") Because if you
want benefits for women, how about this: women now have access to
contraceptives, which means they're no longer virtually enslaved by
constant pregnancy. Women also have access to abortions. Controversial,
yes, and I personally would never consider getting an abortion, but for
medical purposes they're definitely a benefit. Women are no longer in
such danger of dying from complications of pregnancy. Women are more able
to be more independent now, meaning that if a woman's husband abandons
her she can support herself. Women's votes have helped ratify legislation
which recognizes rape as a crime and holds the rapist accountable. Women
now have equal opportunities in education and the job market. I could go
on, but I'm rather busy.

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Gun control laws are not unconstitutional. The second amendment states
"Since a well-regulated *militia* ...." This indicates that the right to
keep and bear arms refers to owning guns for military purposes.

You've challenged me to find one benefit of women's enfranchisement.
However, I'm not seeing any proof of the disadvantages. Do you have
*proof* that the Kosovo incident wouldn't have happened if women couldn't
vote? I'd love to see that. Likewise for Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc....
However, back to how women voting improved society. Women's votes were
responsible for electing Roosevelt and Truman to the Presidency during WW
II, and as you (I hope!) know, they were responsible for winning WW II
and defeating Hitler, thereby saving the world from fascism. Women voting
were also responsible for electing Kennedy, who helped the space program
advance far enough that Americans were able to visit the moon.

Alanna Sweeney

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From: "Atara Dror" jazzbunny2@hotmail.com  
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Ok,
benifits of womens vote for women.
1) abortion
2) birth controle
3) right to own property
4) the ability to divorce our husbands without their consent
5) having our voice heard and our opinions recognized in politics
6) being alowed to go to the same schools as men and treated equaly
7) respect
you actualy originaly challenged me to find ways that it has benifited
sosiety not just women and sinse men have always had the right to vote we
can not claim the intire credit for changes that have been made sinse the
19th ammendment while you can claim full credit for the civil war.

From: Fathers' Manifesto fathersmanifesto@usa.net
To: Atara Dror jazzbunny2@hotmail.com , fathersmanifesto@usa.net ,
faerie2@juno.com
CC: repeal19th@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Regarding your petition to "Repeal the Nineteenth
Amendment"]]
Date: 5 Oct 99 20:20:29 MDT

The question was: "Can you name any that women as a group benefitted from
the vote".

Your answer was: None.

That puts 100% of those who have thought about this all on the same side,
namely that the 19th Amendment didn't benefit women.

But the list of problems it caused for women is long, and most of us agree
to that, also.

John Knight

===========================
"Atara Dror" jazzbunny2@hotmail.com   wrote:
John Knight,
1)There were bad presidents before women were voting, there will always be
bad polititions and i am quite sure that Bill Clinton is not the worst.
2) If you haven't noticed Bill Clinton is a man (we have Monika Lowinsky's
assurance on that).
3) Waco would have happened if Jackson or any other president before women
could vote, was in power and probobly would have had a nive piece of Marshal
law added into the fray.
4) i sencirly hope you would know where Kosovo was even if Bill Clinton
wasn't in power.
5) please don't blame a man's mistake on women because that would seem
really hypocritical and it's not our fault men think with thier dicks
because if it were up to us things would be thought about with our heads
(and we don't have an exta head bellow the belt)
6) If boys are not going to use thier toys properly then they should have
them taken away, if you use your guns to go around shooting people i agree
that you shouldn't have a gun.
7) i don't believe that anything you said proved the women have jepordized
anything, only that you blame us for your mistakes and i hardly think that's
justified.
8) The civil war happened before women could vote, slavery happened before
women could vote, the mexican war happened before women could vote and i'm
merly limiting it to american history, these actions happened without womens
help whereas all the mistakes you mentioned happened with the aid of men.
9) and i will finish, you can not say that anything would have been
differant had women not been voting because frankly you don't know.
personaly i would have hoped you to be a little more educated in your bash
of the female sex but i seem to have been disapointed. frankly i found you
fairly ignorant and closed minded and i'd aprecaite you actualy look around
and see all the good women around before you put down their right to vote.
How many times have you hurd of a man being brutaly raped by a female, or a
female serial killer? certainly there are crazy women but you can't ignore
the overwealming majority of brutal men. you can not mearly overlook the
needs of half your population with a mear stroke of a pen and who knows what
is best for women aside from women. women were given the right to vote
presisly because we are part of the population as equal citezens with
rights needs and brains. i do not put us abouve you i'm mearly stating
facts, you should look at them before you insult a whole sex.

Sincerely
Jazz Bunny

From: Fathers' Manifesto fathersmanifesto@usa.net
To: Alanna C Sweeney faerie2@juno.com , fathersmanifesto@usa.net
CC: jazzbunny2@hotmail.com , repeal19th@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Regarding your petition to "Repeal the Nineteenth Amendment"]
Date: 5 Oct 99 17:57:42 MDT

Alanna,

Men and women "think" differently. If women didn't vote, we would never have
even heard of Bill Clinton, and thus Waco, Ruby Ridge, Lewinski, Kosovo, and
the Sudanese aspirin factory bombing would never have happened.

More than half of men want to preserve the Second Amendment as is, whereas
more than three quarters of women want "gun control laws" [in spite of the
fact that they are unconstitutional]. This threatens the integrity of the
entire US Constitution.

These are just a few examples of how the female vote jeopardized our once
great Constitution.

I challenge you to find just one example of how women voting improved
society.

John Knight

ps--nobody has been able to cite even one, as yet.

==============================================
Alanna C Sweeney faerie2@juno.com  wrote:
You're making quite a few incredibly large leaps in logic in your
petition. For example:

"Women receive custody of 92% of the children of
divorce and illegitimacy, and men only 4%, " -- what does this have to do
with women being able to vote? I fail to see your logic (if one can call
it that). Perhaps women receive custody most of the time because women
are seen as nurturers, and society perceives a strong bond between a
mother and her child which it is reluctant to break.

"Whereas, with the Nineteenth Amendment, since the 1960s: 1) The divorce
rate doubled. 2) The murder rate tripled as
the solution rate for murders declined from 92% to 63%. 3) The value of
the dollar declined 75% per the Consumer
Price Index and 11 times per the gold standard (from $32/oz to $352/oz).
4) More was spent for welfare than the entire
asset value of each Fortune 500 corporation and each acre of farm land,
combined. 5) The percent of the world's
autos supplied by the U.S. declined from 60% to 20% 6) The prison
population increased four fold to a rate 5 times
that of China whom we accuse of human rights abuses 7) The average weight
of an American increased 25 pounds."
-- Again, what does this have to do with women being able to vote?
Perhaps the murder rate tripled because of declining moral standards, or
the creation of a culture in which violence is glorified. (Hmmmm... I
thought violence was primarily a male trait. So wouldn't that be *your*
fault? Think it over...) Perhaps the value of the dollar declined because
of changes in the world economy. (Oh, yeah, NAFTA and WTO, not to mention
the break-up of the soviet union, the creation of multiple economic
treaties and blocs...) And please enlighten me as to *how* women voting
would cause Americans to gain 25 pounds each? Oh, by the way, the 19th
amendment was ratified in 1920, not 1960. So why do all your 'facts'
begin in 1960? Perhaps they are the result of changes that happened
during the 60s, not during the 20s.

"Whereas, the Nineteenth Amendment is directly and solely responsible
for...implementing affirmative action which required a plebiscite to
reject after 3 decades of US financial ruin; implementing failed
experiments with women in the military and in once fine military
academies..." -- Nice attempt, but this argument is completely
incoherent. The nineteenth amendment, which you include in your petition,
states: "AMENDMENT XIX Passed by Congress June 4, 1919. Ratified August
18, 1920. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be
denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of
sex. " Read it again. Especially the part where it says "right to vote."
And the part where it *doesn't* mention rights to equal educational
opportunities or equal employment opportunities. Now tell me what
affirmative action has to do with being able to vote. Affirmative action
deals with education and employment, not voting rights.

A side note: the rallying cry of the American Revolutionary War was "No
taxation without representation." If women can't vote, we won't be
expected to pay taxes, right? Consider what *that* will do to our budget.

In conclusion: Your petition is a completely egregious and specious
attack on the civil rights of over one-half of the American country. As a
basis for this attack, you use lies, exaggerations, and illogic. You list
facts which are completely irrelevant and then claim that they are a
result of women being allowed to vote. I am astounded not only that you
would deprive more than 50% of the population of civil rights, but that
you would attempt to do so by using shoddy and non-existent logic. You
are, of course, entitled to your opinion; but if you wish to express it,
please try to do so in a reasonable and intellectual manner.

Sincerely
Alanna Sweeney

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John Knight,
1)There were bad presidents before women were voting, there will always be
bad polititions and i am quite sure that Bill Clinton is not the worst.
2) If you haven't noticed Bill Clinton is a man (we have Monika Lowinsky's
assurance on that).
3) Waco would have happened if Jackson or any other president before women
could vote, was in power and probobly would have had a nive piece of Marshal
law added into the fray.
4) i sencirly hope you would know where Kosovo was even if Bill Clinton
wasn't in power.
5) please don't blame a man's mistake on women because that would seem
really hypocritical and it's not our fault men think with thier dicks
because if it were up to us things would be thought about with our heads
(and we don't have an exta head bellow the belt)
6) If boys are not going to use thier toys properly then they should have
them taken away, if you use your guns to go around shooting people i agree
that you shouldn't have a gun.
7) i don't believe that anything you said proved the women have jepordized
anything, only that you blame us for your mistakes and i hardly think that's
justified.
8) The civil war happened before women could vote, slavery happened before
women could vote, the mexican war happened before women could vote and i'm
merly limiting it to american history, these actions happened without womens
help whereas all the mistakes you mentioned happened with the aid of men.
9) and i will finish, you can not say that anything would have been
differant had women not been voting because frankly you don't know.
personaly i would have hoped you to be a little more educated in your bash
of the female sex but i seem to have been disapointed. frankly i found you
fairly ignorant and closed minded and i'd aprecaite you actualy look around
and see all the good women around before you put down their right to vote.
How many times have you hurd of a man being brutaly raped by a female, or a
female serial killer? certainly there are crazy women but you can't ignore
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needs of half your population with a mear stroke of a pen and who knows what
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presisly because we are part of the population as equal citezens with
rights needs and brains. i do not put us abouve you i'm mearly stating
facts, you should look at them before you insult a whole sex.

Sincerely
Jazz Bunny

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> Firing our moral minors and restoring free exercise of religion for the
> eighty five percent of North Americans who
> are Christians would:
>
> 1.Restore faith in American government.
> 2.Reduce fatherlessness five fold.
> 3.Reduce murder ten fold and save twenty thousand lives per year.
> 4.Reduce male suicides two thirds and save eighteen thousand lives
> per year.
> 5.Outlaw abortion and save one million six hundred thousand lives per
> year.
> 6.Reduce prison populations and free one million six hundred thousand
> men.
> 7.Cut the cost of education two thirds.
> 8.Increase SAT Scores ninety eight points.
> 9.Enable American workers to compete in the global economy and
> quintuple their incomes.
> 10.Dramatically cut government spending, reduce debt, and restore
> Personal Savings.
> 11.Enable Christians to restore their Christian names.

Are you insane?

Alv

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WHY WERE YOU QUIET SO LOOOOOOOONG????

Thanks.

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Fathers' Manifesto wrote:

> <gypsyg@uswest.net> wrote:
>
> Fathers' Manifesto wrote:
>
> > gypsyg@uswest.net  wrote:
> > If you are going to say such things on your webpage than you
> > should be able to deal with criticism against such blatant
> > lies. First almost all wars in history were started by
> > men. Most cases of spousal abuse and child molestation are
> > the work of men. It is almost always a man who is a
> > pedophile, a serial killer, a mass shooter, a kidnapper, a
> > fetishist, etc. I think you get the idea. Men are usually
> > the ones sexually harassing women on the job. Throughout
> > many generations, men were the ones going out and having
> > affairs and coming home to their poor, apron-clad wives and
> > saying "Oh dear, it didn't mean anything, it was just sex."
> > Men use the "biological" argument about why they can't keep
> > their proverbial britches on. If more women have affairs
> > now it is because they are sick and tired of being treated
> > like wallpaper. Of course, your one-sided survey or
> > whatever it is, fails to mention how many affairs men have
> > had over the years. It has always been women who give up
> > their lives and autonomy to make men happy. Well, wake up
> > boys, those days are over. The only reason a man is against
> > feminism is because it makes it harder to find a Donna Reed,
> > cookie baking housewife who will be at your beck and call.
> > There aren't so many of us enamoured of your moodswings and
> > bossy pseudo dominant attitudes as there once were. You
> > call this the Father's Manifesto. Is this what you're
> > telling you're children? You should be teaching your
> > children that all people are equal not just men. Oh and by
> > the way, it is men who visit prostitues, it is men who are
> > the biggest consumers of hardcore pornography, and who
> > frequent sex clubs. the vast majority of women do not do
> > those things. So if you want to put down women or put them
> > in their place, remember the reason why so many women needed
> > change and fought for it in the first place. Women voters
> > help keep men from making laws that harm us. You can call
> > me a feminazi or whatever you call smart women. I am not
> > ashamed of that title. You should be ashamed yourself, you
> > Nazi.

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If you are going to say such things on your webpage than you
should be able to deal with criticism against such blatant
lies. First almost all wars in history were started by
men. Most cases of spousal abuse and child molestation are
the work of men. It is almost always a man who is a
pedophile, a serial killer, a mass shooter, a kidnapper, a
fetishist, etc. I think you get the idea. Men are usually
the ones sexually harassing women on the job. Throughout
many generations, men were the ones going out and having
affairs and coming home to their poor, apron-clad wives and
saying "Oh dear, it didn't mean anything, it was just sex."
Men use the "biological" argument about why they can't keep
their proverbial britches on. If more women have affairs
now it is because they are sick and tired of being treated
like wallpaper. Of course, your one-sided survey or
whatever it is, fails to mention how many affairs men have
had over the years. It has always been women who give up
their lives and autonomy to make men happy. Well, wake up
boys, those days are over. The only reason a man is against
feminism is because it makes it harder to find a Donna Reed,
cookie baking housewife who will be at your beck and call.
There aren't so many of us enamoured of your moodswings and
bossy pseudo dominant attitudes as there once were. You
call this the Father's Manifesto. Is this what you're
telling you're children? You should be teaching your
children that all people are equal not just men. Oh and by
the way, it is men who visit prostitues, it is men who are
the biggest consumers of hardcore pornography, and who
frequent sex clubs. the vast majority of women do not do
those things. So if you want to put down women or put them
in their place, remember the reason why so many women needed
change and fought for it in the first place. Women voters
help keep men from making laws that harm us. You can call
me a feminazi or whatever you call smart women. I am not
ashamed of that title. You should be ashamed yourself, you
Nazi.

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Dear John,
Thanks for your advice but I'll continue to pray for you and members of your group.
I'm sure that you'll understand everything when you leave this life and
stand before God...She is merciful, I'm sure of it.
Peace

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A man of quality is not threatened by a woman of equality.
I am sorry that you are so frightened of your female co-workers, your
female teachers, your mother, your wife and your daughters.
I will pray for you to be free of fear and anger.

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you're site is full of stereotypes. Murder rate is caused by women?
It's feminist's fault that males chose to commit suicide? It's women's
fault that men drive drunk? It's the woman's fault the man cheated on
her so she got a divorce which caused the child to be fatherless? It's
feminist's fault that we are dead last in education and not the kid's or
the fathers? It's feminist's fault that the divorce rate is high?
you're an idiot. Baka.
Just an example of another American high school dropout.

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Your guest book is malfunctioning, so here are my answers to your questions:

1. Comments: Disraeli said there are three kinds of lies: Lies, damn lies,
and statistics.

2. How to end fatherlessness: teach more men to be loving, supportive, and
wise like my father.

3. Why is the US last in Geometry: I don't know. My math teacher sure
couldn't teach geometry, he preferred to spend the class time playing with
his computer with his back to the classroom.

Quite a few of your graphics and links aren't working. Would you like me to
help you with your page?

TTFN :)
Kat :)
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One of the big problems with your page is that you do not state the laws
that are causing these huge suicide rates (i.e. California's Family Law
Act). Nor do you cite any statistics to support your arguments, other than
the final statistics themselves. In order to make your arguments a little
more logical, you should show how you came to your conclusions, instead of
just throwing it up on the web page and expecting people to believe,
blindly, that men's suicide rate doubles due to women's equality. Please
back yourself and your claims up before stating that it is fact.

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This is the most ludicrous misogynist crap I have ever seen. If I had
the time I'd pick apart your ridiculous arguments on statistical,
methodological, and inferential grounds. I don't know what's happened to
you in your life, but let me suggest that you seek professional help.
I'm not kidding. In my experience being a student at two of the highest
rated universities in the world, I can say without a doubt that women at
those colleges were every bit as competent and intelligent as men. Get a
grip.

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Mr Knight, has it occurred to you that in saying women should control
their own bodies, these feminists are suggesting that women should be
safe from rape? Or do you think men have the right to rape women?
I know many married feminists and none of them consider adultery
acceptable. I don't think adultery is acceptable by either gender. I
hope to be married one day, and intend to take the institution very
seriously indeed, but if my husband raped me or assaulted, disrespected
or abused me or my children, then yes, I would leave. In defining
myself as a feminist, I am not saying that cheating on one's partner is
right, because it's not. I wouldn't cheat, nor would I allow my husband
to. Your theories suggest that men are wronged, and strong women are
evil. Are you naive enough to believe that only women are unfaithful,
or do you think it's okay for men to cheat?
You are not quoting these women directly, but instead interpreting. Ask
them exactly what they mean, then maybe your suggestions can be taken
at face value.
Sincerely, J Fraser.

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Dear Whom it may concern,

I am a nineth grader in South Brunswick high school. I am currently
doing the Freshman Project, which is a requirement in our school. The
topic this year is "the event of the century." My event is the passing
of the nineteenth amendment.
As I was looking for research I came upon your page, and was both
astonished and confused after carefully looking through your sight. I
would like to know exactly what this sight is for. Is it to go against
the nineteenth amendment or for the nineteenth amendment.
If you could please take some time out and write back to me at
sage924@hotmail.com, on your opinnion of the nineteenth amendment, and
what exactly this sight is revealing. Thank you very much for your time,
and i would greatky appreciate it if you would write back.

Thank You!

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please take me off of your list. i have no time to read tons of email
messages and have gotten discouraged from asking to be taking off the list.
My next step is to complain to the server if you keep sending people
messages they dont want they can suspend your email postings.Please take me
off alot of the things you say i dont agree with. It is very wrong to
forcefully push yourself upon others and invade their right to freedom. I
will ask again nicely to please be removed. I will not complain if you
remove me from your list. If i get any more messages i will be forced to
complain. i am a mother of three children and my two older children have had
no father. He was a drunk abusive alchoholic. If he had stayed he would have
surely abused them. My son is a gifted athlete who gets straight As in
school and is very artistic. My daughter who is 11 is the captain of her
basketball team and plays baseball. She is learning disabled but finds the
time to volunteer with old people. It is purely bologna that all children
need fathers. My children are perfectly fine and better off without their
father. Do not think that all children without fathers grow up tobee
criminals. You are welcome to respond to this message but please take me off
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I can't imagine that the creator of this site is a father at all. Most
of the activities you have mentioned are olympic sports which only
olympian-grade individuals participate, so you're numbers are greatly
skewed based on your non-representative samples. Women excel far more
in many areas than men and one of those is the common sense not to put
such idiotic nonsense on the web. Secondly, women don't have the time.
How you father's rank in penile size? I bet that leaves much to be
desired.

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Who are you to say that my life is not better because off because of
feminism? Quality of life is not a substitute for freedom. I would live in
a dumpster and be free, rather than give up my right to express my equality
and vote for a representitive in the government. Of course, the 19th
ammendment will never be repealed. So, worry about what is best for yourself
(although, I think that fear of women is a big issue for you, and this
probably is what you believe to be best for yourself).

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Am I correct in understanding that your website takes the point of view that
men are smarter than women because men have a larger brain mass and a larger
number of brain cells? If not, ignore this message. If so, I thought it was
a fairly well established fact in the scientific community that the
correlation between brain mass and intelligence wasn't dependent on absolute
mass of the brain, but rather, on the relative proportion between the brain
and the body. In other words:

M1 = mass of the brain
M2 = mass of the body

and the greater the value of (m1/m2), the higher we could expect the
individuals intelligence to be.

I also thought it was a pretty well established fact that women's vales for
(m1/m2) were slightly higher than men's, though the difference isn't
considered to be statistically significant.

I'm curious as to why (if you were taking the point of view that men are
smarter, etc... etc...) you would ignore this.

Marc

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We are having a good laugh about it at
http://msn.communities.com/WorldSocialismNow   . Yopu are welcome to join in
the fun

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what! repeal the nineteenth ammendment and throw away the only right women
began to have. if we repeal the 19th ammendment what historical rights can we
remember. to repeal the 19th ammendment is a death sentence for the morals of
women. women rule this world and overpower men 4 to 1, to repeal the 19th
ammendment is utterly ridiculous. it would be like falling into a lions den!

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Hi. first of all, i would just like to thank you for you program. i am a girl, and i know that not many girls like your webpage. i know that we (women) and inferior to men (it says so in the bible, b/c i saw that on your site). i am ashamed of myself for being a woman. but could you answer me one question. well two. 1. do you agree with all that i just said, and 2. on your site, you said children being raised in single-mother homes was a bad thing. i agree. we (women) are weak. but what do you guys think of single father homes. is that better for the child(ren) and in what way. ok so three questions. this is for a major paper, and i have chosen to be on your side for the paper. if you could get back to me ASAP, i'd really appreciate it.

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Stop being ignorant, I am a housewife raising my children as well as an educated person. If I am going to live in this country, I had better have the right to some say so in what takes place with my government. Just because I wasn't born with a penus doesn't make me any less of a human. I tak e my responibilties as a women serious. I hate the way men generalize all women. I do not vote for abortation. You are right it is an abomination towards God. But just as God made you he made me.

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maybe if society would stop discriinating againt women females could help out the nation just as much as males

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--- Molly Goldstein
--- mollygoldstein@hotmail.com

While researching on the topic of women's suffrage, I came across your web page. Although my first reaction to the suggestion of doing away with the 19th amendment was to be offended, i decided to write for a little more information first. I'm not sure what the reasoning behind it is, and I'm confused about why you have negative views toward women being allowed to vote. I won't even begin to defend my position until I hear what exactly you're thinking when you encourage the 19th amendment to be repealed. I don't think i understand a tall where you (and the others who signed) are coming from on this, and I'm very curious to hear more.

Thank you

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Fathers' Manifesto,
Trying to increase fathers' rights and keep
fathers' more a part of their children's lives seems
to be good goals. However, this website and the
people backing it obviously have no sense of how to
achieve that. Berating women, their accomplishments,
and their capabilities will get you no where. Why?
Because 51% of the population is female. So, deal
with it. Women are just as capable as men in every
respect; I can assure you. Not only does this website
offend women, but it sends the wrong message to young
children growing up. Moreover, it sends the wrong
message to the international community because other
countries come to recognize that the U.S. isn't really
about equality. Change that message; Change this
website. Start respecting the female gender; you
wouldn't be alive if women didn't exist.

Sincerely,
Lakshmi Sridharan

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To Whom It May Concern:

I am a professional, well-educated woman and, yes, indeed, as all strong,
intelligent, hard-working women are, a feminist. Your site was forwarded to me
by a friend, who invited me to check it out as a rather grotesque novelty. I am
writing to tell you that this is one of the most transparently, sadly adolescent
attempts I have ever seen by a man to prop himself up not on the basis of his
own merits but on the basis of a few blanket, out-of-context slams against
women.

You clearly are not a man with much experience of strong, smart, accomplished
women, so I will share a couple of facts about myself with you so that you may
reconsider your currently uninformed views in light of new information:

I scored 1520 overall on the SAT, with a perfect 800 in verbal and 720 in math.

I received my bachelor's degree with honors from the University of California at
Berkeley, in the field of Comparative Literature, which required me to attain
fluency in two foreign languages (mine were French and Japanese).

I intend to attend the University of California at Los Angeles for my graduate
studies. I am currently deciding whether I will pursue my Master's in Education
or my PhD in Literature. I am taking several years to make this decision.
Why?Although you suggest that women voters make hasty, uninformed decisions, I
do not make important decisions rashly. I take my time to evaluate facts and
put my opinions to the test before arriving at the choice that is the most
judicious, and the most beneficial, among my options.

Currently, I am employed in a managerial position at an e-Learning company. I
am hard-working and well-paid. As a matter of fact, I make almost twice as much
money as my fiance. However, because he is a wonderful and generous person and
deeply respectful of women in general and of me in particular, I am happy to
assume more responsibility for our household costs right now. I understand that
there will be times when both of us will need each other, and that the strength
of our partnership is in our mutual respect and our willingness to meet each
other halfway. Not all feminists are man-haters, you see, although I certainly
will not lend a hand to any man who fails to treat me with respect.

I manage my own personal finances and make informed, intelligent decisions about
what to do with my money. I am not a spendthrift, as your stereotypical view of
women voters and federal budget issues seems to indicate. In fact, in my
current position, I handle cash flow for a venture-capital funded company that
has managed to survive and even turn profitable while many of our dot-com
startup neighbors are closing their doors.

I am an active and informed voter. I exercise my civic right to vote in all
elections, local as well as federal, but I do not make my voting decisions
lightly. I have committed a great deal of my personal time to volunteering for
political candidates and initiatives, both working for individual campaigns and
for several non-profit public interest groups.

Rather than simply considering my own opinions when making an important decision
like voting, I take the time to arm myself with as much information as possible
before committing myself to any decision. I also take care to consider how
things are done in other cultures, with an eye to borrowing ideas that may help
us improve our own approach. To that end, I spent time overseas in Japan, and
was active in several student political groups while I was there. I seriously
doubt whether you have ever made a similar effort.

You criticize the intelligence of women, yet your own arguments are fallacious:
you argue, for example, that women cannot understand "the principles behind free
enterprise" well enough to make voting decisions on the basis that twelfth grade
girls consistently score lower than boys in geometry. This is tantamount to
comparing apples and oranges. There is no connection between a low score in
geometry and an informed, politically savvy voting public.

However, your statistics do much to illustrate the shocking, sad disparity in
boys' and girls' access to math and science education in the public schools.
Although girls consistently score higher than boys in verbal tests and have much
higher spelling, grammar, and verbal pattern recognition abilities, boys do
indeed outstrip girls in math after elementary school. You seem at a loss for a
solution to this problem (your idea of taking the vote away from women is not
applicable to this situation, but I will not hold it against you, as girls also
tend to score higher than boys in analytical and logical tests), so I will
explain: more funding and attention must clearly be devoted to teaching boys
verbal skills, and to teaching girls math skills. In fact, I am about to use
your statistics in a letter to my senator asking her to push for education
spending that will encourage better teaching of math and science to junior- and
senior-high school girls. Thank you for consolidating this research for me.

In addition, I must thank you for giving me another and more unique opportunity:
you have forced me to examine myself, primarily as a person, secondarily as a
woman, and to evaluate my opinions and my sense of self-worth. I have found
that I pass your tests with flying colors and stand out as an exemplary model of
an intelligent, strong woman. I also find that although I am repulsed by your
self-serving rhetoric and decontextualized statistics, I remain a calm,
even-tempered, and very logical person. I do not extrapolate my contempt for
your grossly uninformed opinions to a hatred of all men. Rather, I love and
appreciate the men in my life, for being wonderful, intelligent, and
enlightened, and for supporting me as I strive to make as much of myself as I
possibly can. I feel a twinge of pity for you as I leave you wallowing in the
Dark Ages, but it is eclipsed by the joy and pride I feel at knowing that I can
take an honest look at myself as a woman, and feel a real sense of personal
accomplishment and worth. Your woman-hating cannot hold me back. And I take
heart in the knowledge that every day, little girls are growing up to be active,
smart, community-involved voters like me.

Thank you for a very bizarre and singular opportunity to evaluate myself against
your standards and, ultimately, blow them away.

Sincerely,

Katie Woolsey

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Are you out of your mind. Your Mother would not allow you to disgrace women

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To Whom It May Concern,

I found your webpage through a link on a spanking debate board, out of
curiosity I went to your page; I now wish I hadn't. I am fuming! How can you
say outlaw single mother homes? Have you ever considered the notion that it
is the men that are creating single mother homes? How about outlawing fathers
from abandoning their families? We do not choose to be single mothers; our
husbands leave us and usually without a reason. We are not given a choice,
but we carry on and we take care of our children, we cannot make the same
amount of money as our husbands because we gave up furthering our education
or our careers to devote our life to our family (children and husband). So we
are destined to live in poverty and take care of our children while their
fathers come in and out of our children's' lives all the while never giving
us a cent to help take care of those children. We do not abuse our children
and just for the record I am a nonspanker, my husband is a spanker. So this
goes to prove that my daughter is more likely to be abused living in a father
only home rather than a mother only home. I bet that the fatal injuries that
are on your charts that supposedly are caused by mothers in single mother
homes are caused during a weekend visit with the child's father. This is the
truth! It is the fathers who are abusing the children, not the mothers, and
the first thing the father does to abuse the children is to abandon them and
their mother to live homeless and without any money. This is abuse and
neglect done by the father.
How can you even suggest that the statistics should count SIDS as murder and
that the mothers cause it? It is not murder! It is just as likely to occur in
a father's home as it is in a mother's home. It is more likely to occur in
the home of a smoker. Again my daughter would be more likely to die in my
husband's home than in mine.
Your site is disgusting! It is nothing more than male chauvinism with a web
domain. Its quite scary that there are people out there like yourself who are
trying to take care of children. To tell you the truth you don't sound like
anything more than a very bitter divorcee. Get over it and face the reality,
its the fathers who have blood on their hands and they are the ones who
should be outlawed!

Ms. Bannister

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You people use the Holy Bible like a weapon in order to convince people to
continue a way of life which is expressly forbidden through any other
interpretation of the Word. To condone beating others is sinful. Or, do
you really think that children are property or otherwise sub-human? You
hold up Korea as an example of good child rearing because of their custom of
abusing children by using the "rod" as a battering ram. If shepherds beat
their sheep (which is the usual Biblical metiphor) their sheep would wither
and die. How foolish of you to openly encourage such sin!

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From: "Casie Nash" casienash@hotmail.com  
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Subject: your website
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 09:16:04 -0000
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I was browsing through the internet this evening, researching a project,
when I came across your website. I must say I was completely taken back by
your lack of respect for the female parenting role. While I agree with your
ideas that father hood is underappreciated and devalued immensely, I feel
that supporting the entire family structure ie BOTH parents is extremely
important. Just as circumstances affect a father's roll in his children's
lives.. and you must admit by several statistical reports from the same
sources as your site use... that a portion of the responsibility lies
squarely on these men's shoulders. Perhaps another portion of the
resposibility lies in our social and cultural belief systems as a nation.. I
don't know the exact answer, but I do know as a mother of three
extraordinary children (two of which father choose to run from his
responsibilites, and my third childs father is an amazing father to all) I
am highly offended by your accusations that single mothers are any more
dangerous to their children than fathers. Statistics are amazing things,
they can represent just about any outcome that is necessary to achieve a
desired outcome. I believe the way to heal the family structure is by
support and mutual respect. I hope you understand my concerns and thank you
for your time.
Casie
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From: JCROSIER JCROSIER@flemingc.on.ca 
Organization: Sir Sandford Fleming College
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Although I do agree that men are getting the shit end of the stick in
some of the cases that are presented on your website, the arguments
presented are so biased that I am drawn to believe that the creators of
this web site just sat down one night, guzzled back a few bottles of
their choice alcohol, and tried to weight the male side of the article
so much, that this web site is of no value at all.

As for the grade twelve test scores, All I can say about those is that
male and female americans are both equally stupid when compared to
international standards.

I'M PROUD TO BE CANADIAN!

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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 16:58:14 -0800
From: Armin Brott armin@pacbell.net 
Subject: Re: [Re: Cuban Boy]
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Please DO NOT send this sort of personal correspondence to everyone on the list.
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