At 0107 AM 10/26/2003 -0600, "Joel Finkel" firstname.lastname@example.org wrote
Yet another set of lies. I could go through the bible, of course, lift things out of context, put them in a list, and prove, in exactly the same manner, that it is a hateful document.
You are nothing but a pathological hate monger and a scoundrel. But I am not telling you anything that you do not already know.
You have already declared that your religious beliefs command you to hate. Evidently, your moral ethics permit you to lie, as well, for you do it with great regularity and pride. In the service of your god, you spread not only hate, but lies. You bear false witness against others. But I suppose if they are not Israelites it is permissible to do so. You condemn the Talmud for supposedly preaching this (although it doesn t), yet you do it yourself with great aplomb.
You are a sickness of the human spirit the very heart of darkness. As I read the pages of your web site, I begin to glimpse the depths to which the soul of man has fallen. The depravity of your beliefs is hard to fathom. It is as if atropine had been injected directly into your spirit. You already walk the earth as a dead man.
You are trapped within the labyrinth of your precious Bible. From it you will never again emerge, nor see the real sun, nor the real moon, nor another real human face. With your own hands, you have already plucked out your own eyes. You will not even be able to weep for your own soul. And no one will weep for you.
For you are beyond pitiable. You are despicable.
No one will put flowers on your grave. You will be forgotten. Forever. Gone.
This misleading, erroneous, "racist" statement from jew Finkel, after having already been presented all the facts of the Holy Bible a person needs to comprehend it, proved once and for all that his race, the jews, already expelled from 86 nations before us, finally expelled from Germany at great pain, expelled from Russia and France as this is written, who by their mere presence ripped the economic and cultural fabric of this putative Christian nation in half, are literally and figuratively incapable of comprehending even the first and most basic tenet of the Holy Bible.
What two billion Christians around the world and 279 million Christians in the US read as love, and facts, 13 million surrilous jews around the world and 6 million in the US interpret as hate, and lies.
To all 13 million jews in the world, no matter where they are, regardless of which society they're sucking the blood out of, "the labyrinth of our precious Bible", written only for the house of Israel, is nothing but "depravity", "dead man" who "plucked your eyes out", "beyond pitiable", and "despicable".
How's it even possible to explain how two different races of people, both of whom appear to be "white" [using Joel's vernacular] have such a contradictory perception of the same Word of God from the Holy Scripture?
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Joh 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.Joh 8:48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
Because of his detailed replies, we know that jew Finkel heard every word, and that he didn't understand a single one of them.
How can this huge gulf between Israelites and jews ever be bridged? It cannot. It would be easier to build a bridge from New York to London with toothpicks than it would be to come to an agreement with jews like Finkel that's worth the paper it's written on.
The body of Israel cannot survive if the cancer is not removed first and such blasphemy of the holy spirit ends.
Exile all jews.
At 0715 PM 10/27/2003 -0600, Joel Finkel wrote
This is your second notice.
I have now twice sent a message to email@example.com with the single word, UNSUBSRCRIBE, in the Subject line.
You are hereby formally and legally requested to remove the email address, firstname.lastname@example.org, from your email list.Failure to do so may result in legal action against you and against your service provider, Cox Communications, Inc., of Atlanta, Georgia.
Joel R Finkel
This gets more deliciously absurd every minute. I cannot decide if I am in a painting by Jackson Pollock painting, Dali, or Miro.
There is no controversy about the existence of King David, and
there is no controversy about the existence of races. There IS a mental problem with
jews that has haunted you since day one, which is that you are infinitely incapable of
comprehending God's Word, a single writing of the Israelites, the Torah and the Holy
Bible, and both the Hebrew and English languages.
There most certainly is a controversy within archaeological scholars. You are simply speaking about your religious beliefs, which have nothing to do with physical reality. Religion is faith, not material truth. This is what makes religion important in one way and material truth important in another way. Most people have little trouble keeping them separate, yet integrating the two successfully in their daily lives, just as most people understand that when an actor in a movie gets shot, he is not really dead.
I looked at your current poll. It is not a scientific poll and is of no statistical significance whatsoever.
That, of course, depends entirely on whether you are talking nonsense or not.
One of the three authors of Pentateuch probably combined two previous documents, one of which contained stories from the northern region that emphasized the tribe of Ephraim, and one of which contained stories from the southern region that emphasized the tribe of Judah. They were carefully merged to provide a single, unified history so that all the people could declare a common heritage.
At Durban, there was no agreement that Judaism or Jews are racist. The discussion was strictly about Zionism. Neither Zionism nor Israel represents the Jewish people, even though each claims to do so. Political Zionism was opposed by the overwhelming majority of world Jewry until the 1940s, and it is still opposed by many all over the world, including within Israel.
You reveal an utter ignorance of Judaism. Not only do Jews not consider rabbis as gods, we have a very long tradition of rising up against our rabbis and their conservative poppycock. Out prophetic tradition is deep, and we have never taken the Talmud as the work of gods, but as the work of people, sometimes seriously flawed people.
In 1:27 you emphasize the word own and in 2:7 the word of. Mazel tov.
Notice that in 1:27 I could emphasize the word man and in 2:27 I could emphasize the word man.
In other words, in 2:27, Adam is a MAN, who became a living soul. And, according to 1:27, God created MAN in his OWN image.
Therefore, MAN = ADAM = MAN = Gods image. What is your exact problem? What, precisely, is the difference between being created and being formed? And, if there is such a huge difference, why cannot we discern any biological, physiological, neurological, or supernatural differences between the descendents of so-called man and so-called Adam? Youd think that if there were a difference between being formed and created there would be some mighty profound differences! But even with a lot of equipment no one has found any.
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7
Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17
Which covenant he made with Abraham, and his oath unto Isaac; And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant: Psa 105:9-10
It is a *racial*
covenant, Joel. It applies to only ONE race.
I get it! You mean the race that came from Adam, as opposed to the race than came from man?
Oh, because some of the descendents of Adam had children with the descendents of man?
1. Ephraim.....United States
3. Manasseh.....Great Britain
10. Dan.......Denmark, Ireland, Scotland
Fantastic! Exactly how did these tribes get distributed? Did they walk? Long way to Iceland! I sure hope they brought lunch.
Admittedly, this is outrageous behavior on
your part, but there's a big difference between being enraged and "hating"
someone, at least from a Holy Bible perspective.
Well, sir, you have quoted enough scripture encouraging people to hate me.
This is a LIE. 95% of the genetically
pure descendants of Jacob [read: Israelites] left "Palestine" long before the
remnant was taken captive by Assyria and Babylon, which was long, long before the
ancestors of today's "Palestinians" arrived. There's no doubt that
Palestinians today are mamzers, and there's not a shred of evidence that a single one of
them has an Israelite as an ancestor.
I need to know: When did this group of genetically pure descendents of Jacob leave Palestine? How did they get to the disparate places they settled? Where is your biblical reference?
Your page is unavailable. But this claim is all the more reason to ponder the genetic purity old Jeremiahs descendents. For the Celts arrived from elsewhere. And many things point to their origin the region of the Black Forest. And many things point to a long history during which they migrated and expanded throughout much of Europe.
My claim is that many Palestinians are descended from ancient Jewish clans that had never left the region, but that converted to both Christianity and Islam over the millennia. Forced conversion to Islam of entire Jewish clans is documented. There are old Jewish clan names among Christian Palestinians today. There is nothing particularly remarkable in this claim. It is not like Im claiming that a genetically pure tribe walked to Iceland, or anything.
The Greeks did not build the Parthenon, of course. They used slave labor. They used slave labor for everything, from sex to warfare. Spartan society collapsed for exactly this reason. They didnt even reproduce in enough numbers to replace themselves.
Are you actually suggesting that todays Greeks could not build a structure like the Parthenon, whereas 2,500 years ago people could? I see. Let me get this right. I guess your saying then that the pure-bread people there, 2,500 years ago, could have been building modern day structures, if they had only wanted to. After all, they were so much smarter than the people are today.
Yes, I deny that Arabs are descended from Ishmael. I find the whole proposition quite ludicrous. It is a religious myth, which has its own religious truth, but has no bearing on material truth.
I sincerely doubt that there was ever a human being named Abraham who had a son named Jacob and a son name Ishmael. Again, the religious truth of this fanciful tale has no correlation with actual material history. An actor truly gets shot in a movie, but in real life he is not dead.
Many people follow many religious teachings to various extents. The Karaite Jews still, to this day, follow the commandments of the Torah as they interpret them, and absolutely refute the interpretation of the rabbinates (the Talmud). Some Hassidic Jewish sects, for example Neturi Karta, interpret the Torah in such a way as to strictlyand at times violentlyoppose the Zionist attempt to rebuild a Jewish state.
It is not up to me to tell other people how they should or should not interpret any religious myth. That is a personal choice.
Kuwait and Qatar are not the wealthiest per capita because they are run by brilliant Arabs. What an ignorant statement. Kuwait, which is a fake state carved out of Iraqi territory, is wealthy because of its natural resource: oil, which lies only feet below the thin earths crust. Qatar, which is also a fake nation, is wealthy because it is the major shipping port in the region for oil and because the U.S. pours billions of dollars into it so it can be converted into the largest U.S. military base outside of the United States.
Would you please get a clue? Arabs are no more or less brilliant than any other people on the planet. The Palestinians, however, have a reputation within the Arab world being among the smartest and most educated. They have the largest number of advanced degrees per capita than any other Arab group. Interestingly, like Jews, most of them are Semites.
Are you saying that Finland and Sweden are among the worlds worst in social and economic statistics? Jews are there, you know. Oh, by the way, Jews have lived in almost every Muslim nation, save for the most populated, Indonesia. It didnt seem to harm their crime rate, as you, yourself, have just indicated. In fact, the crime rate in France is going up not with the influx of Jews, but with the influx of poor Muslim immigrants from north Africa. This seems to contradict your argument entirely.
No, it is almost certain that the Romans brought into Italy genetic material from every place they conquered, which was vast. The are many descendents of Africans who have curly hair. Therefore, the actual living evidence contradicts your claim that Italians would necessarily have kinky hair if African genetic material had been introduced to their gene pool.
People from Spain are not called Hispanics in the U.S. They are called Spaniards, just as they are called anywhere else. Hispanic is a generic term for people show are descended from both Spaniards and indigenous American Indians.
Well, of course, few people do. In fact, almost no one.
I know of know historical evidence whatsoever that Gaelic is directly related to Hebrew. In fact, some linguists suggest that old Gaelic had a SVO order while ancient Hebrew had a VSO order. That there are certain commonalities in phonemes and words is not at surprising. After all, the very world alphabet comes from the names of the first two letters of the Hebrew alphabet, aleph, bet.
While there are some intriguing commonalities in customs between Gaelic society and Eastern European Jewry (dances, for example), the connection between the Gaels and a genetically pure group of Israelites is remarkable tenuous. These commonalties are much more likely explained by the simple migration of a people (the Gaels) who picked up cultural elements from the societies with whom they intermingled along the way. Such things were happening all the time in the cultural crucible of Europe.
So who said anything about Yiddish? Yiddish is a purely Ashkenazi language that developed side by side with German, into which both Spanish and Italian words were injected.
And you think that Attila the Hun and his cast of characters cared much about that as they raped and pillaged their way across the land?
I suggest that you are filled with hate. You use pejoratives to describe everyone who is not, by your singular definition, a purebred. You quote scripture that encourages people to hate. Despite biblical admonitions otherwise, you hold children responsible for the transgressions of their parents. You clearly abhor Jews, or what to you are fake Jews. You call me an Edomite, or at least suggest I am one by accusing me of writing like one.
Yet here is a Commandment that tells you not to hate an Edomite, for he is thy brother. What means this: is thy brother? This can only mean one thing: has the same parent, or, at least, in a paternalistic society, the same father, the same maker, the same creator, the same shaper, the same former, as in the one who came before and as in the one who formed.
It is a Commandment to you
not to abhor your brother, even if you think he is not genetically pure.
And now I would like for you to please explain to me the following passages from your beloved Deuteronomy (21:10-14)
When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives, if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife. Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails and put aside the clothes she was wearing when captured. After she has lived in your house and mourned her father and mother for a full month, then you may go to her and be her husband and she shall be your wife. If you are not pleased with her, let her go wherever she wishes. You must not sell her or treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.
This says to me that it is perfectly acceptable to have children with women who are not members of the tribe if certain rules are followed. Many Orthodox Jewish women, to this day, shave their heads when they marry, carrying on an ancient tradition.
Joel R Finkel