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Forgive them not for they know what they do

Any Greek textus receptus will prove to you beyond the shadow of any doubt that Luke 23:34 SHOULD have been translated as "father_forgive_them_not_for_they-know_what_they-do" rather than "forgive them for they know not what they do".  There's no feasible reason why "not" needs to be associated with "know" versus "forgive_them".

Furthermore, as all Christians and jews know, and as Christ Himself taught, and as the Old Testament testifies, forgiveness is based upon repentence, but did these jews ever repent of their sins?  Never.  So why would the suggestion be made that Christ COULD even TRY to ask God to forgive them?  And if Christ DID ask God to forgive them, God must have been sound asleep, because He was still inclined to destroy all of them and the Temple of Jerusalem in 72 AD, not much of an indication that HE was inclined to forgive them Himself.  As the son of God, God in the flesh, son of man, king of kings, messiah, Israelite with the courage to send His Twelve Disciples only to the house of Israel, and about the only Christian in 2,000 years willing to take on the jews head on, changing the word structure of this single sentence changed His entire mission statement and made Him appear as a confused little boy.

The jews must be having quite a laugh in the backrooms of their Synagogues, but not for long.  What they've done here is beyond forgiveness.

Christ spent His entire ministry preaching against, condemning, and insulting in the most ingenious way, the jews who had polluted the command of God with their traditions of the elders "Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? Matthew 15:3".   He and His disciples called the jews every name in the book, including "you brood of vipers", they will be "thrown into the fire", "hypocrites!", "babbling like pagans", "wicked", "adulterous", "Ninevah will ... condemn [you]", "you break the command of God", "teachings are but rules taught by men", "will be pulled up by the roots", "blind guides", "blind man", "guard against ... the teachings of the Pharisees and Sadducees", "you yourself do not enter ... the kingdom of    heaven", "blind fools", "blind men", "Blind Pharisee", "you are like whitewashed tombs", "you are the children of those who murdered the prophets", "you snakes", "condemned to hell",  "Pharisees ... rejected God's purpose for themselves", "you foolish people", "you are like unmarked graves", "you build tombs for the prophets, yet it was your forefathers who killed them", "will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world", "whom you slew between the temple and the altar", "you are not of my sheep", "you are of your father the devil", "a murderer from the beginning", "liar and the father of lies", "break the command of God for the sake of your tradition", "if God were your father, you would love me".

Not only did He make it clear that He did not come for the Canaanite woman, but "He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." Matthew 15:24", and He willfully insulted the jews by reminding them that they were EXCLUDED from this mission "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, John 10:26-27".  As if though this wasn't enough, He even claimed that the jews were of a different God than He "Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me, John 8:42" and furthermore that their God was the devil "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it, John 8:44".  He also told them that they could NOT be forgiven "Ye serpents, ye race of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Matthew 23:33", so for what Godly reason would Christ change His mind at precisely the moment that His crucifixion caused the earth to tremble and the veil to rent?

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Though this expression is not found in some manuscripts (Vaticanus, et al), it is popularly accepted as meaning our Lord forgave his tormentors and crucifiers without repentance; in other words, universal, unconditional, blind forgiveness. This is NOT the case. That the actions of His adversaries were wilful, and they were fully cognizant of WHO He was (they knew of His miracles, and even witnessed a few) may be found in verses 35-37:

The people stood looking on. And even the leaders of the synagogue mocked Him, and said, >He saved others; let Him save Himself, if He is the Christ, the chosen one of God. And the soldiers ridiculed Him, and they came near Him and offered Him vinegar, saying to Him, >If you are king of the Jews, save yourself.

Elsewhere, our Savior said of these who mocked Him:

A wicked and adulterous generation wants a sign; and no sign shall be given to it, except the sign of the prophet Jonah. And He left them and went away. (Matthew 16:4)

Interesting that He should mention adultery. Nevertheless, in Luke 23, the emphatic Greek text (Emphatic Diaglott, published by the International Bible Students Association) tells us a very different picture (see inset). In it, Jesus Christ intones:

O Father, forgive them; not for they know what they do.

Broken into its components, the Greek language assents to the fact that forgiveness is, indeed, based upon repentance, for these accusers were most definitely NOT repentant for their deeds. Some may counter that this was due to the fact they weren't of the Christian Faith, but this is not borne out in the context.

Since Jesus Christ was praying to His Father in the Heavenly, the judgment upon this "wicked and adulterous generation" was sure to follow, and it did, in AD 68-70, when the Old Jerusalem was reduced to rubble by Romans under Cyrus.

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"...I go away, and you will seek Me. And you will die in your failures. Where I go,
you are not able to come. ... You are from below; I am from above. You are from this
world, I am not from this world. ... If you were the children of Abraham, you would do
the works of Abraham. But now you seek to kill Me ... Abraham did not do this. You do
the works of your father ... If God were your Father, you would love Me ... you are not
able to hear My Word. You are of your father the Diabolical One, and the lusts of your
father you wish to do. That one was a murderer from the beginning, and he has not
stood in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks
from his own, because he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I speak the truth
you are not persuaded by Me. ... for this reason you do not hear, because you are not of
God."

Now I know what you are thinking. Did Jesus not forgive the Jews on the cross? Did He not say,
"Father forgive them, for they know not what they do." Absolutely not! To say this is to blaspheme the
blood of Christ and the Mentality of Separation. To say this is to believe a lie and be damned! Once again,
all honest scholars agree that this verse was not in the original autographs of the New Testament. All
honest translations omit this passage. All honest preachers teach that Jesus never said this. Everyone else is
simply making and helping make a lie, for even if translators accept this spurious passage, then they should
translate it Father forgive them not, for they know what they are doing . (See footnote at Luke 23:34 in the
AST). Instead, these dishonest, Jewish, and Jew-influenced traitors to the White race (if they are white at
all) fall into the category we have already stated, namely,

"...outside [the gates], the dogs and pharmakeia promoters and the whores and the
murderers and the idolaters and everyone loving and making a lie" (Rev. 22:15 AST).

These people are guilty of the sin or failure described in that same chapter in Revelation, verse 18
(AST):

"For I testify together with everyone hearing the words of the prophecy of this
Scroll: If anyone adds to these things, God will add upon him the plagues having been
written in this Scroll. And if anyone takes away from the words of the Scroll of this
prophecy, God will take away his part from the Book of Life, and out of the Separated
city, and of the things having been written in this Scroll."

 

Hymns / Images / Maps Versions / Translations Dictionary Aids  Luk 23:34   Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.





English Strong's Greek (Root form) Tense
(Click on any item below for Concordance)   (Click)
Then   [1161]   de  
said   [3004]   lego 5707: Imperfect Active Indicative
Jesus,   [2424]   Iesous  
Father,   [3962]   pater  
forgive   [863]   aphiemi 5628: Second Aorist Active Imperative
them;   [846]   autos  
for   [1063]   gar  
they know Click to do Phrase Search on 'they know' [1492]   eido 5758: Perfect Active Indicative
not   [3756]   ou  
what   [5101]   tis  
they do. Click to do Phrase Search on 'they do' [4160]   poieo 5719: Present Active Indicative
And   [1161]   de  
they parted Click to do Phrase Search on 'they parted' [1266]   diamerizo 5734: Present Middle Participle
his   [846]   autos  
raiment,   [2440]   himation  
and cast Click to do Phrase Search on 'and cast' [906]   ballo 5627: Second Aorist Active Indicative
lots.   [2819]   kleros  

 

 

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TRAITOR McCain

jewn McCain

ASSASSIN of JFK, Patton, many other Whites

killed 264 MILLION Christians in WWII

killed 64 million Christians in Russia

holocaust denier extraordinaire--denying the Armenian holocaust

millions dead in the Middle East

tens of millions of dead Christians

LOST $1.2 TRILLION in Pentagon
spearheaded torture & sodomy of all non-jews
millions dead in Iraq

42 dead, mass murderer Goldman LOVED by jews

serial killer of 13 Christians

the REAL terrorists--not a single one is an Arab

serial killers are all jews

framed Christians for anti-semitism, got caught
left 350 firemen behind to die in WTC

legally insane debarred lawyer CENSORED free speech

mother of all fnazis, certified mentally ill

10,000 Whites DEAD from one jew LIE

moser HATED by jews: he followed the law

f.ck Jesus--from a "news" person!!

1000 fold the child of perdition

 

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