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Josh Sugarmann

Posted: January 26, 2010 12:35 PM

Pennsylvania Leads Nation in Black Homicide Victimization

What's Your Reaction:

For the third time in four years, Pennsylvania leads the nation in the rate of black homicide victimization. According to unpublished 2007 Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Supplementary Homicide Report (SHR) data (the most recent available), the Keystone State's black homicide victimization rate of 36.36 Per 100,000 is nearly seven times the national overall homicide rate of 5.30 per 100,000.

This is the fourth year that my organization, the Violence Policy Center, has issued the study Black Homicide Victimization in the United States and the third time that Pennsylvania has ranked first. Additional states with black homicide victimization rates that place them in the top five are: Missouri at number two with a rate of 34.82 per 100,000; Indiana at number three with a rate of 30.89 per 100,000; and, Nevada and Wisconsin tied at number four with a rate of 29.83 per 100,000

As in past years, the study found overwhelmingly that firearms, usually handguns, were the weapon of choice in the homicides.

For the entire United States, the study found:

bulletThere were 7,387 black homicide victims in the United States. Of these, 6,345 (86 percent) were male, and 1,042 (14 percent) were female.

bulletThe homicide rate for black victims in the United States was 20.86 per 100,000. In comparison, the overall national homicide rate was 5.30 per 100,000 and the national homicide rate for whites was 3.11 per 100,000.

bulletFor homicides in which the weapon used could be identified, 82 percent of black victims (5,743 out of 7,011) were killed with guns. Of these, 73 percent (4,204 victims) were killed with handguns. There were 701 victims killed with knives or other cutting instruments, 247 victims killed by bodily force, and 200 victims killed by a blunt object.

bulletFor homicides in which the victim to offender relationship could be identified, 72 percent of black victims (2,474 out of 3,431) were murdered by someone they knew. Nine hundred fifty-seven victims were killed by strangers.

bulletFor homicides involving black victims for which the circumstances could be identified, 69 percent (3,023 out of 4,362) were not related to the commission of any other felony. Of these, 55 percent (1,669 homicides) involved arguments between the victim and the offender.

Stating that "the devastation homicide inflicts on black teens and adults is a national crisis, yet it is all too often ignored outside of affected communities," the study concludes that for "blacks, like all victims of homicide, guns -- usually handguns -- are far and away the number one murder tool. Successful efforts to reduce America's black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thirdpower   04:49 PM on 2/12/2010
Josh seems to believe that African Americans should be disarmed for their own protection:

"Successful efforts to reduce America's black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms."

Since over 90% of African Americans murdered are murdered by other African Americans, Sugarmann's best idea is to return to the days when laws disarming blacks was the norm.

Unfortunately for Josh, modern versions are still in place and have shown to be just as ineffective as all their other schemes to disarm the public and reduce crime.

Jade/Lynn/Guy may want to try and distract from the facts behind the selective statistics the VPC provide, but for those who bother to look, it's all clear.
Lynn Oge   02:07 PM on 2/03/2010
ThirdRoy keeps repeating his mantra that Josh Sugarmann wishes to disarm blacks.

Unsurprisingly, nowhere in Sugarmann's article does he suggest anything of the kind. I could be charitable and suggest Third has misread Sugarmann but the reality is more sinister: Third has deliberately misrepresented what was stated.

Here's the part Third wishes to distort:

"blacks, like all victims of homicide, guns -- usually handguns -- are far and away the number one murder tool. Successful efforts to reduce America's black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms."

Note that nowhere does Sugarmann say 'we must restrict access of guns by blacks' nor does he say 'we must restrict access of guns to law-abiding citizens--regardless of ethnicity.'

It's pretty simple to discern Sugarmann's meaning if one is honest. Remember, this entire article is about murder--an unlawful act. Sugarmann makes a very convincing case that blacks are disproportionately victims of murder and that guns are far and away the most common murder weapon.

Right now, criminals who murder are given carte blanche access to guns. Thus, it only makes sense to attempt to stop that easy access to guns.
Dimensio   11:20 PM on 2/03/2010
Given your demonstrable past dishonesty, your assessment is not credible.
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Thirdpower   02:35 PM on 2/12/2010
JadeGuy also thinks MS-13 is a community service organization.

Not much accuracy there either.
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Thirdpower   02:38 PM on 2/12/2010
Jade/Lynn/Guy keeps trying to distract from his statement:

"* I did note that filing down a firing pin on a particular semi-automatic could make it fully automatic."

Will he ever explain how that works? We're waiting.

Will he explain how there are only 300 gang related murders in the US (which he also 'noted') when Chicago accounts for 135 of them and LA 190. That's over 300 just for two cities.

Will he explain why he claimed that Chicago has a larger population than it did in 1980 (not 1990 like you tried to switch to later) even in the face of the numbers provided by the Census Bureau.

Of course he won't. Instead he'll pop something else up w/ no evidence and a bunch of other spurious accusations and claims.
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Thirdpower   08:11 PM on 2/02/2010
Josh seems to believe that African Americans should be disarmed for their own protection:

"Successful efforts to reduce America's black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms."

Since over 90% of African Americans murdered are murdered by other African Americans, Sugarmann's best idea is to return to the days when laws disarming blacks was the norm.

Unfortunately for Josh, modern versions are still in place and have shown to be just as ineffective as all their other schemes to disarm the public and reduce crime.

This is how gun control activists think of the general public.
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Jack Wilson   10:45 AM on 2/03/2010
What better place than the top of an old thread to do a little shameless pandering.
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Thirdpower   02:35 PM on 2/12/2010
No matter how much work or play, Jack is still a dull boy.
Lynn Oge   02:48 PM on 1/30/2010
It seems most of our NRA fans are trying to argue that gun violence is caused by being black.
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OdinsEye   03:14 PM on 1/30/2010
What we are saying is that given the socio-economic situation of the majority of blacks is different than the majority of whites; that this being the cause of the difference in violence rates between the two groups isntead of firearm accessibility is borne out by the fact that each group has roughly the same access; and that if you really want to do something about the amount of violence among blacks, including firearm related violence, it is better to address the socio-economic causes instead of the firearms.

But feel free to try to turn that statement into something racist and completely ignore what is being said.
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OdinsEye   03:24 PM on 1/30/2010
BTW, Lynn/Jade/pray, are you going to admit you were wrong about the McGrawHill book and the entry about hoplophobia?
djcrsn   07:26 PM on 2/12/2010
prayformistresscabot admit she was wrong--NEVER
Dimensio   03:30 PM on 1/30/2010
"It seems most of our NRA fans are trying to argue that gun violence is caused by being black."

I have observed no comment from which such an implication could be derived. Please explain the basis for your assertion; were you lying, or are you simply entirely incapable of comprehending basic English?
mike102   09:46 AM on 1/31/2010
That was a 'load' the last time you tried to push it. It still is.

Get some new material. You might want to statrt dabbling in the truth, just for the novelty.
Bandofotters   03:46 PM on 1/29/2010
Whether a private organization or the government were to put together a study like this with race being the sole factor, it sure smells of racism to me; profiling at best. So what if the stats different from black to white etc.? Is anyone suggesting that gun laws be enacted against certain races?
djcrsn   07:15 AM on 1/30/2010
In the states that became the Confederacy==law WERE passed/enforced based on race
Berettasskeeter   04:43 PM on 1/30/2010
The Sullivan Law, in New York, was passed against the Irish!
Semper fi
AttorneyAtLaw   01:58 PM on 1/29/2010
If firearms were the reason that people kill one another, shouldn't the murder rate for whites be higher than any other group? It is estimated that whites own more firearms per capita than other races.

I also find it notable that four out of your top five states for Black Homicide Victimization are northern states, given the perception amongst many northerners that the south is the epicenter of violence against blacks.
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legaleagle 45   02:50 PM on 1/29/2010
"I also find it notable that four out of your top five states for Black Homicide Victimization are northern states"

Tongue firmly in cheek--- must be caused by global warming.

BTW, Gura's reply brief is due out today... NRA applied for and received an order (over Gura's objection) for a divided argument. Paul Clement will be arguing the case for the NRA at orals. Clement, if you recall, argued Heller as the Solicitorr General for the USA... which raises some minor but uncomfortable issues for Clement and the NRA..
AttorneyAtLaw   09:17 PM on 1/29/2010
Yes, I heard about the time being granted to the NRA and saw that Clement will be representing them. I imagine that has a lot of folks feeling uncomfortable. I'm just hoping he does a good job.
mike102   02:56 PM on 1/29/2010
" It is estimated that whites own more firearms per capita than other races".

You mean 'legally own', right?
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OdinsEye   01:14 AM on 1/29/2010
CLAIM #4: Lynn/Jade/pray asserts that, "anyone who hunts with an M1A/AR10in 308 isn't a hunter. And anyone who says otherwise knows squat about firearms".

FACT: The first part if Lynn/Jade/Pray's statement is simply opinion. The second part is not proven by the first part and is a non-sequitur, not to mention a "poisoning the well" argument. Many of us here know far more about firearms that Lynn/Jade/pray will likely ever know (some of us are certified instructors and armorers, hunters, prior military) and we assert that an M1A or AR-10 is fine for hunting.

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Are we noticing a trend yet?
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Jack Wilson   09:58 AM on 1/29/2010
Your collective fixation is escalating? Just guessing.
djcrsn   05:23 PM on 1/29/2010
And the Hack is becoming progressively more irrationally snarky
Toonadude   10:16 AM on 1/29/2010
Pennsylvania's semi-auto rifle hunting prohibition does not exempt certified instructors, armorers or prior military. Seems that one cannot hunt with an RPG in Pennsylvania either.

Yeah --- I've observed numerous trends and I speculate that what I observe forms at least part of the basis for the Pennsylvania Game Commission's regulation; however, the definitive basis for their regulation should come from the PA Game Commission. I urge those who take issue with that reg to ask them the basis for it. I expect they have a public affairs officer that would be glad to answer.
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OldSFMJT   12:39 PM on 1/29/2010
News Flash for the "dude:" The Second Amendment - which is ultimately what this sort of post is all about - has NOTHING to do with hunting!

I think that has already been explained to you several times; but just in case you missed it!

Old SF MJT
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OdinsEye   01:12 PM on 1/29/2010
"Pennsylvania's semi-auto rifle hunting prohibition does not exempt certified instructors, armorers or prior military."



Did I say Pennsylvania? No, I did not. But as noted previously, semi-auto rifles are permitted for hunting in PA under some circumstances. Most states have no prohibition on hunting with semi-auto rifles and semi-auto hunting rifles have been sold commercially in the US for over 105+ years.



Further, nothing in your retort refutes my statement regarding Lynn/jade/pray.
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OdinsEye   01:10 AM on 1/29/2010
CLAIM #1: Lynn/Jade/pray said that there was no entry for "hoplophobia" in the Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine, Page 307. McGraw-Hill Medical, ISBN 0838515355 . Lynn/Jade/pray said that the book could be reviewed online and that there was no such entry.

FACT: I went ahead and ordered that ISBN. Received it yesterday. Sure enough, on page 307, is an entry for hoplophobia.

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CLAIM #2: Lynn/Jade/pray said that you could file down the firing pin of a civilian semi-auto AK-47 to make it fire full-auto.

FACT: If you file down the firing pin of a civilian semi-auto AK-47 you will be left with a firearm which will not fire at all.

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CLAIM #3: Lynn/Jade/pray said that Virgi.nia shoo.ter Christopher Speight must be an NRA member because he attended some NRA sponsored classes and shooting competition/clinics and according to Lynn/Jade/pray, you have to be an NRA member to attend those things.

FACT: While Speight might possibly be an NRA member, Lynn/Jade/pray's "proof" is false. Two separate posters here researched the classes and comp/clinics and it turns out that there was not a requirement to be an NRA member to attend those things.

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HisXLNC   05:56 PM on 1/28/2010
As always, the VPC ignores the fact that not only is a black person the least likely to own a gun, they are also most likely to be killed by another black person. In other words, there are other ethnicities out there that own more guns and manage to kill not only fewer of each other, but fewer people in general.

That means guns aren't the problem. The real killers in the black community are the higher rates of poverty, low quality/no education, drug use, fatherless homes, and gang involvement. Not the lower rates of gun ownership.
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OdinsEye   05:22 PM on 1/28/2010
"Successful efforts to reduce America's black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms"

How about instead of trying to cure cancer by using a bandage, we actually go after the root causes of the cancer. By addressing firearms, we shift the focus away from the actual causes and basically give tacit approval for the causes.

Why the disparity between the black community and the white community? Is it access to firearms? No, it is not. Is it something else like education, economics, ethics, or the glorification of violence? Absolutely. It is a socio-economic difference, not a difference in access to firearms. The numbers that Josh trotted out prove that beyond the shadow of a doubt.
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Thirdpower   03:42 PM on 1/28/2010
Josh Sugarmann of the Joyce Foundation funded Violence Policy Center seems to believe that African Americans should be disarmed for their own protection:

"Successful efforts to reduce America's black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms."

Since over 90% of African Americans murdered are murdered by other African Americans, Sugarmann's best idea is to return to the days when laws disarming blacks was the norm.

Unfortunately for Josh, modern versions are still in place and have shown to be just as ineffective as all their other schemes to disarm the public and reduce crime.

This is how gun control activists think of the general public.
Toonadude   03:56 PM on 1/28/2010
Remember being talked down to like we were all children by the last POTUS --- our intelligence insulted with every comment ??

What do you think he thought of the general public, T.P. ?

But hey -- he wanted to protect our gun rights. But there was that Alberto Gonzales thing ........ hmmm.
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Thirdpower   04:00 PM on 1/28/2010
*Scritch* Bush did it. *Skritch* Bush did it.
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Thirdpower   04:04 PM on 1/28/2010
-Toon yells again from far left field.
Dimensio   06:29 PM on 1/28/2010
"Remember being talked down to like we were all children by the last POTUS --- our intelligence insulted with every comment ??"

Your commentary is entirely irrelevant to the current discussion. Have you accidentally submitted commentary to a discussion other than the one that you intended?
Lynn Oge   12:15 PM on 1/28/2010
"PA wouldn't lead the nation, if you towed North, West, and Southwest Philly accross the river to Camden, where the other gangbangers and drug dealers have a whole city to themselves.
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Aside from Mike 102 believing PA is part of NJ, this little assertion exposes a common NRA myth.

Many of the usual supects often claim that DC, with its stringent gun laws, is a hotbed of crime because of those laws. When it is pointed out to them that anyone in DC can take a 20 min. bus ride from the center of DC and wind up in a state where firearms are easily procured--the usual suspects hoot and preen and make funny noises.

Yet, Mike 102 blames PA's gun crime problem on a neighboring state.

Consistency is not his strong point.
Ohio9   01:09 PM on 1/28/2010
"When it is pointed out to them that anyone in DC can take a 20 min. bus ride from the center of DC and wind up in a state where firearms are easily procured--the usual suspects hoot and preen and make funny noises."

No what we do is point out that if guns were causing crime, then crime should be higher in the places where the guns can be aqquired. Our experience with Chicago and Washington D. C. has shown this is not the case

Furthermore, no one on the anti-gun side has been able to explain why Washington D. C.'s violent crime rate has significantly dropped since their gun ban was overturned:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/19/AR2009071902154.html
Lynn Oge   01:37 PM on 1/28/2010
Hmmm. So you're saying that because DC now has about 60 registered handguns---this is the reason for the drop in crime?

Of course, your link also says NYC is experiencing crime drops. Are you in favor of NYC's gun laws, too?

Gee, and Chicago's crime is dropping as well.
djcrsn   01:21 PM on 1/28/2010
it would be nice if prayformistresscabot could actually post something based on facts
Dimensio   06:31 PM on 1/28/2010
"Many of the usual supects often claim that DC, with its stringent gun laws, is a hotbed of crime because of those laws. When it is pointed out to them that anyone in DC can take a 20 min. bus ride from the center of DC and wind up in a state where firearms are easily procured--the usual suspects hoot and preen and make funny noises."

Please explain how a resident of the District of Columbia may "easily" legally procure a firearm from a location that may be reached within twenty minutes when traveling by bus. Be specific.
MycroftHolmes28   10:22 PM on 1/28/2010
"Yet, Mike 102 blames PA's gun crime problem on a neighboring state."

Incorrect.

Mike102 is making the point that the STATE of PA has localized hot spots for violence and that if these individual locals were omitted, the state as a whole would fare much better.

His point would be equally valid if it were to tow those individual locals into the Atlantic Ocean.

Are you going to claim we're blaming oceans now?
mike102   11:22 AM on 1/27/2010
PA wouldn't lead the nation, if you towed North, West, and Southwest Philly accross the river to Camden, where the other gangbangers and drug dealers have a whole city to themselves.

NJ got an A minus from the Brady Campaign, because of all of it's "common sense" gun control..
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molonlabe   12:12 PM on 1/27/2010
Don't forget Pittsburgh as well. And " secondary" cities like Reading and Allentown. All hotspots of urban crime.

I guess guns are more accurate in PA?
Lynn Oge   12:02 PM on 1/28/2010
Wow. Mike 102 thinks PA is part of NJ.

Say, maybe our public schools are failing...
NYCexile   03:41 PM on 1/28/2010
The comment is deliberately miscontrued and the point of the comment is ignored.

That's why you are all losing the argument.

But by all means please keep it up. It's quite entertaining.
Toonadude   12:33 PM on 1/28/2010
Last I knew, PA doesn't allow semi-auto rifles for hunting. They are obviously in the grasp of the gun banners and complete confiscation is only a matter of time.
djcrsn   01:35 PM on 1/28/2010
Your support for that ban is reminds me of one of Oleg Volk's poster--a pretty young women is standing there with an AR-- and a paraphrase of the caption states "why is it that the same people that demand a "sporting use" for my rifle get so offended when I hunt with it"--as far as that goes Tunafud, you have yet to give me a reason why my M1917 Enfield or a SMLE5 (jungle carbine) are acceptable as hunting rifles but an M1A/AR10 in 308, and SKS (firing what is ballistically a 30 30 with a spitzer bullet) are NOT suitable as hunting rifles. And "fud, the "argument" that semiautos are not traditional is very weak, especially since the ARs, M1, and M1A are at least as accurate as a good bolt action rifle (which the Brady Campaign defines as a "sniper rifle" in an effort to make them unacceptable to own) and since the 3006 and 308 have a long history as hunting rounds--you have no case (even Jim Zumbo backpedaled fast after his ignorant crack about using "black rifles" to hunt with), especially since the 2nd amendment does not allow for proving "need" to own firearms
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OdinsEye   04:37 PM on 1/28/2010
In PA, semi-auto rifles are allowed for persons with disabilities in hunting "big game".
MycroftHolmes28   10:45 PM on 1/28/2010
"Last I knew, PA doesn't allow semi-auto rifles for hunting."

Provide evidence please.

Even if that's true(I don't know all 20,000 gun laws) why does it make sense to allow the same ammo round for hunting when fired thru a bolt/lever/single shot firearm and not a self-loader?
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Glocksf21   06:35 AM on 1/27/2010
in all josh's articles or blogs he never blames the criminal only the tool, why?
djcrsn   11:24 AM on 1/27/2010
Glock--don't forget that gun control is far less about guns than it is about CONTROL of people
45superman   04:51 PM on 1/26/2010
Presumably, there's a state that "leads the nation" in white homicides, too--but so what?

A) What difference does it make which state is "first"?

B) What difference does the race of the victim make?

In short, Sugarmann, what's your point?

 

 

MycroftHolmes28   02:45 PM on 1/26/2010
Gee, I wonder why Josh didn't offer any stats as to the race of the attackers.

Let's see if the FBI mentioned anything about that...

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/documents/expandedhomicidemain.pdf

Yep, they sure did.

"Of single victim/single offender incidents, 91.1% of black victims were murdered by black offenders, and 82.5% of white victims were murdered by white offenders"

"Among murder offender for whom race was known, 53.9% were black, 44.0% were white, and 2.0% were other races."

That's rather revealing considering that blacks only make up12-13% of the population.

It's not the guns Josh, it's the environment people grow up in.
Lynn Oge   12:03 PM on 1/28/2010
According to Mycroft, gun violence is caused by being black.
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legaleagle 45   03:05 PM on 1/28/2010
jade wrote: "According to Mycroft, gun violence is caused by being black."

Incorrect, although that would be a a much more succient condemnation of Josh's blog. Josh's sole explanation is "guns", seemingly implying there is some genetic predisposition to gun violence.

On the other hand, MycroftHolmes28 clearly states:" It's not the guns Josh, it's the environment people grow up in."

You might want to look up the meaning of the terminology "nature versus nurture".
Dimensio   06:33 PM on 1/28/2010
"According to Mycroft, gun violence is caused by being black."

Please justify this accusation. Additionally, given that you have made numerous demonstrably false claims previously -- suggesting either that you are a poor researcher or that you are dishonest -- please explain why your claims should be considered to be credible.
MycroftHolmes28   10:49 PM on 1/28/2010
"According to Mycroft, gun violence is caused by being black."

Try reading my comment again.

But for what it's worth, thankyou for exposing yourself to all the fence sitters; you do more to help the pro-2A crowd than you can possibly imagine.
Dimensio   01:04 PM on 1/26/2010
"Successful efforts to reduce America's black homicide toll must put a focus on reducing access to firearms."

Does the author believe that black individuals cannot responsibly possess firearms?
Ohio9   01:15 PM on 1/26/2010
I think the implication is that no one can responsibly possess firearms, except for the police of course, since the VPC and Brady Bunch want us to believe that they have some sort of "Jedi Master" level of prowess with guns that no citizen could ever obtain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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