jk: However, since you object, and until we're able to openly welcome you as a full fledged genetic member of the House of Israel, please help us with selecting an alternative? Born again Catholic wasn't such a hit, was it? Unless you prove to be a kike in drag, none of the following would be apropos, would they?
debunks replied: My suggestion to you is to defer to the writing of the early Church Fathers in order to dispel any notions you might have that lead you it misconstrue what I post here. I have referred you to these saints in the past, but apparently you did not avail yourself of the suggestion. Once again, go and read Justin Martyr, Origen, Eusebius, Augustine, John Chrysostom in order to understand precisely what it is that the true Church founded by Christ teaches and imparts to the faithful. You see, until such time as you follow my well-meant advice, you will be simply engaging in a case of slashing out at supposed 'adversaries' on the basis of an emotional, rather than any pragmatic or logical response. In order to understand the Church of Christ, you must first defer to the Fathers of the Church, for they fully explain the doctrines of the Scriptures as they were taught to them by the apostles.
jk quoting Jesus: "you brood of vipers", they will be "thrown into the fire", "hypocrites!", "babbling like pagans", "wicked", "adulterous", "Ninevah will ... condemn [you]", "you break the command of God", "teachings are but rules taught by men", "will be pulled up by the roots", "blind guides", "blind man", "guard against ... the teachings of the Pharisees and Sadducees", "you yourself do not enter ... the kingdom of heaven",
debunks replied: But note what Jesus said here when he was speaking to the, in your opinion, 'Edomite Jews'....."The Kingdom of heaven will be taken from YOU and given to another..." What! The Kingdom was promised to this group Jesus was speaking to?!!! And it 'will be given to another?"
jk's reply follows:
Let's make absolutely sure that we understand precisely what you're saying here, debunks.
You acknowledge that Jesus referred to these jews as "of your father the devil"?
You acknowledge that Jesus ROUNDLY CONDEMNED them for refusing to uphold God's Law, and instead imposing their own "traditions of the elders"?
Mar 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
You acknowledge that they brutally murdered Jesus BECAUSE He was preaching God's Law, and for roundly condemning them for their hypocrisy and apostasy?
You acknowledge that Jesus [and Paul] referred to Israelites as begotten of the spirit, and jews as begotten of the flesh?
You acknowledge that Jesus told these scumbag jews that they were "NOT of my sheep [read: race]", AND that they tried to stone him "again" for His saying that.
And now you claim that "the kingdom of heaven" was "promised" to these same anti-Christ, un-Godly, begotten-of-the-flesh JEWS?
Why on Earth, debunks, would you even BEGIN to believe God Himself, or Jesus, would EVER permit such a thing?
Heres what Jesus ACTUALLY said:
Mat 21:43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
RED LETTER part of the Holy Bible, debunks! This is exactly what Jesus is quoted as saying. NOTE that Jesus did NOT say that "The Kingdom was promised to this group [of jews]", and we know from Scripture that these jews USURPED authority never granted to them by anybody, not Israelites, and particularly not God.
Jesus said ONLY that it would be TAKEN from the jews----and then what?
"given to A nation"? ONE nation? WHO is that, debunks? Forget for a moment that the Greek word "ethnos" from which "A nation" was translated is precisely where we get the English word "ethnic". Forget for a moment that this word, which the KJV variously translated as "nation", "people", "heathen", and "gentile", depending entirely on the soup du jour for their decision, means only ONE thing: RACE~! Forget for a moment that by taking it FROM the jews and giving it to "A nation" REQUIRES you to accept that jews were NOT *of* that nation [read: race]. Focus ONLY on who you believe this "nation" or "race" would be, debunks!!!
We anxiously await your fevered reply );
We should note that not even the KJV translators, who often enough translated "goy" as "gentiles", were emboldened enough to translate it this way in Matthew 21:43, and instead translated it as "nation" [singular]. This SINGULAR nation, or race, is of course the House of Israel, and nobody else. A church or translation or religious leader or teacher who would DARE to spiritualize the Kingdom of God away from the House of Israel is committing blasphemy serious enough to warrant the death penalty. Theres NO such thing as "spiritual Israel" anywhere in any of the 23,000 verses of the Holy Bible. The words "spiritual" and "Israel" dont even appear next to each other or in the same verse in ANY of the 23,000 verses, and the following verse indicates a context of "spiritual" which is far, far removed from any concept like "spiritual Israel":
Rev 11:8And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
Rev 11:8And2532 their848 dead bodies4430 shall lie in1909 the3588 street4113 of the3588 great3173 city,4172 which3748 spiritually4153 is called2564 Sodom4670 and2532 Egypt,125 where3699 also2532 our2257 Lord2962 was crucified.4717
Adverb from G4152; non-physically, that is, divinely, figuratively: - spiritually.
Of course we know that Jerusalem was figuratively, not spiritually, referred to as "Sodom and Egypt", but this provides a context to the phrase "pneumatikos" [from which the English word "pneumatics" was derived] which provides a keen insight into what judeochristians mean when they say "spiritual Israel"they actually mean "figurative Israel", which of course has NOTHING to do with the original genealogy of Jacob, much less any "esprit de corps" , state of mind, or energy of the House of Israel.
Hos 9:7The days of visitation are come, the days of recompence are come; Israel shall know it: the prophet is a fool, the spiritual man is mad, for the multitude of thine iniquity, and the great hatred.
To underscore this point, "spiritual" appears only ONCE in the "old" testament.