joelrachmiel

joelrachmiel@aol.com,

 

If you DECENT folks [that excludes you kikes, Joel] would like to know just how filthy a kike can get, take a gander at his most recent screed:
 
иди в жопу mудак!
 
 It literally means "go into ass".  And "mudak" is not even translatable. It is a  vulgar derogative addressing you as a genital emanation.
 
And then you kikes scratch your sorry edomite sodomite butts and wonder why the world HATES you?
 
duuuuhhh.
 

 

From: carpbear@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: Hate, John Knight, Hate! Ditto for Randy the Dandy and A Bastard

I think the case can be made that Randulf, A Banstard, John Knight, Mac, McK, etc are so obsessed by their hatred of people, places and things over which they no control -- NONE WHATSOEVER -- that they're deranged.

I can't even hate them, anymore.  I think of those five guys (and other pathological haters)  the same way I think of my aunt (who married my mother's brother) who developed severe schizophrenia -- we know they  can't help the way they act but at the same time, we don't want people like that around us and it's probably not even safe for us for them to be around us.

Mark

At 5:45 PM -0500 1/25/10, JoelRachmiel@aol.com wrote:
Randy the Dandy Hansen is one sick Nazi Bastard as shown by his below post.  The original Nazis were known to be blessed with mental and sexual perverts, too.
 
Randy the Dandy is one miserably sick old perverted paranoid psychotic who is to be pitied for his mental illness except for his extreme form of hatred.
 
Like John Knight below and A Bastard, Randy the Dandy is a poor excuse for a human being.
 



From: JoelRachmiel@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: Hate, John Knight, Hate!

majorhart and all Nazi Bastards (that includes you Randy the Dandy Hansen, A Bastard, John Knight, etc,
 
If the only menial job you can aspire to is hating us, you're being seriously underpaid and not helping overcome the worldwide recession one bit.
 
Now get a real job, you miserable old pathetic paranoid psychotics.


From: MARK CARPENTER
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:58 AM
TSubject: Re: Hate, John Knight, Hate!

Eve:

The kinds of "job" which best describe John Knight, Randulf, John Hansen, Predator, McK, etc. are:

NutJOB, WhackJOB, HeadJOB, ScrewJOB...

As we say here in Texas, "Those boys ain't raht..."

Mark
From: EVE DEMIAN
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:57 PM
To: jk@israeliteidentity.com ; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com ; JoelRachmiel@aol.com ; John Hansen
Subject: Re: Hate, John Knight, Hate!

JOBYes  -  -  I know.


From: Jude
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:09 AM
Subject: RE: Hate, John Knight, Hate! Ditto for Randy the Dandy and A Bastard

There are many on this list and others that are terribly hateful and non productive to our country.  Now, how can we get them to change or stop?

 

 


From: joelrachmiel@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 11:04 AM
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Subject: Jew Hater Randy the Dandy Hansen Is One Sicko

Nazi Bastard Randy the Dandy Hansen,
 
Know what this means?
иди в жопу mудак!
Try it, you'll like it.
Pleasure yourself as only you can.

 

 

From: alan B'Stard M P [mailto:alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:23 PM
To: EVE DEMIAN; joelrachmiel@aol.com; jgtea@comcast.net; majorhart@sbcglobal.net; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com; desertfoxi@cox.net; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net; nikon99@hotmail.com; Jacob Israel; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com; Algae5636@aol.com; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com; alishaban952@yahoo.com; allinam@hrw.org; allo.allo2u@gmail.com; ank2000pk@yahoo.com; annefrank1210@yahoo.com; ANTGNE@aol.com; EDPALS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew

 

the buildings are still there as is the prussian blue in the delousing chamber.  The so called extermination chamber has laso been tested.  Replicate the tests.  Don't tell me they can't be replicated, of course they can.  lawyers would do that before anything else to press home a case.  Police do it as a matter of course

 

A

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From: EVE DEMIAN

To: joelrachmiel@aol.com ; jgtea@comcast.net ; majorhart@sbcglobal.net ; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com ; desertfoxi@cox.net ; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net ; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net ; nikon99@hotmail.com ; Jacob Israel ; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca ; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk ; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com ; Algae5636@aol.com ; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com ; alishaban952@yahoo.com ; allinam@hrw.org ; allo.allo2u@gmail.com ; ank2000pk@yahoo.com ; annefrank1210@yahoo.com ; ANTGNE@aol.com ; EDPALS@aol.com ; alan B'Stard M P

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew

 

You *cannot* "replicate" the tests; you know that very well.  Given your very *scientific* inclination, and all your information, of which you are so well aware (as am I) you know that you cannot replicate such testing; you can only approximate testing, but over sixty years of deterioration, of certain aspects of what needs to be tested, would make some difference.  You do understand issues of humidity and dessication, temperature, and time, on Prussian Blue; do you not?  That is aside from the fact that actual locations were destroyed.

 

The Leuchter Report, by now, is a condemnation of not only Fred Leuchter, Fraud Supreme, but the revisionist movement itself, boasting such swindles as false assertion of accreditation, licensing, and contracting for various States, that never more than *heard tell* of the man, but did not contract to him, and both the fraudulent result of the "tests" he ran, and the methods of testing, themselves, which this amateur was *so* stupid as to add pulverized concrete to the test sample, thereby changing the results, that he destroyed any possible actual value or veracity of the testing result from the very approach to the test.

 

The very *idea* that because he *constructed execution methods* he was qualified to conduct the testing to which you refer, is ludicrous beyond belief.  (I suppose you would also think him qualified to do a colonoscopy on you, as well!).  The very description of his qualifications *tell you what he is NOT qualified to do*.  His qualifications outlined, describe his area of expertise, and define *that it is NOT the kind of testing he would have needed to be familiar with in order to have done these tests properly*.  Specifically, the sample needed to have been skimmed from the surface of the concrete *without collecting any of the concrete*.  Leuchter removed *chips* of concrete from the surface, pulverized this, and sent it to the lab - - *with improper instructions for the tests he wanted*, in any case.  The entire "test" was a ridiculous farce.  

 

Now - - is *this* really what you go by?

 

It does not suffice to convince the more discerning.    

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au> wrote:


From: alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew
To: "EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>, joelrachmiel@aol.com, jgtea@comcast.net, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, desertfoxi@cox.net, randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, nikon99@hotmail.com, "Jacob Israel" <jk@israeliteidentity.com>, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk, alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com, ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com, alishaban952@yahoo.com, allinam@hrw.org, allo.allo2u@gmail.com, ank2000pk@yahoo.com, annefrank1210@yahoo.com, ANTGNE@aol.com, EDPALS@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 11:51 PM



actually I don't.  I do know that it was never forensically tested properly, and that is the test

 

Prove the revisionists wrong, replicate the tests

 

A

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From: EVE DEMIAN

To: joelrachmiel@aol.com ; jgtea@comcast.net ; majorhart@sbcglobal.net ; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com ; desertfoxi@cox.net ; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net ; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net ; nikon99@hotmail.com ; Jacob Israel ; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca ; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk ; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com ; Algae5636@aol.com ; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com ; alishaban952@yahoo.com ; allinam@hrw.org ; allo.allo2u@gmail.com ; ank2000pk@yahoo.com ; annefrank1210@yahoo.com ; ANTGNE@aol.com ; EDPALS@aol.com ; alan B'Stard M P

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew

 

You know.  ;)

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au> wrote:


From: alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew
To: "EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>, joelrachmiel@aol.com, jgtea@comcast.net, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, desertfoxi@cox.net, randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, nikon99@hotmail.com, "Jacob Israel" <jk@israeliteidentity.com>, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk, alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com, ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com, alishaban952@yahoo.com, allinam@hrw.org, allo.allo2u@gmail.com, ank2000pk@yahoo.com, annefrank1210@yahoo.com, ANTGNE@aol.com, EDPALS@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 10:51 PM



how  when?

 

A

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From: EVE DEMIAN

To: joelrachmiel@aol.com ; jgtea@comcast.net ; majorhart@sbcglobal.net ; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com ; desertfoxi@cox.net ; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net ; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net ; nikon99@hotmail.com ; Jacob Israel ; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca ; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk ; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com ; Algae5636@aol.com ; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com ; alishaban952@yahoo.com ; allinam@hrw.org ; allo.allo2u@gmail.com ; ank2000pk@yahoo.com ; annefrank1210@yahoo.com ; ANTGNE@aol.com ; EDPALS@aol.com ; alan B'Stard M P

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:51 PM

Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew

 

All allegations have been proven   -   -   -   sixty years ago.

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au> wrote:


From: alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew
To: "EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>, joelrachmiel@aol.com, jgtea@comcast.net, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, desertfoxi@cox.net, randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, nikon99@hotmail.com, "Jacob Israel" <jk@israeliteidentity.com>, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk, alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com, ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com, alishaban952@yahoo.com, allinam@hrw.org, allo.allo2u@gmail.com, ank2000pk@yahoo.com, annefrank1210@yahoo.com, ANTGNE@aol.com, EDPALS@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 9:36 PM



you can drift into the nyth of German culpability if you wish, Islamists too.  I will just keep asking you to prove every allegation you make

 

A

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From: EVE DEMIAN

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Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:29 PM

Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew

 

Oh, no; I am not (though *you* certainly take us on a not-so-subtle turn off the subject at hand!  Let's not *drift* onto the issue of Islamics; we were discussing Jewish "liars", and German *culpability*.  However, I must say that, given your righteous disapproval when discussing the Ergun, and the Stern gang, you certainly seem full of shit when you get this ass-kissy tone on, whenever the subject of Islamic terrorism comes up - - and have the tits to *bring* it up.  And I'll not travel *that* road with you again.  A retarded four-year-old would have learned all the details of this, already; I expect that you are being extremely ingenuous!

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au> wrote:


From: alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew
To: "EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>, joelrachmiel@aol.com, jgtea@comcast.net, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, desertfoxi@cox.net, randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, nikon99@hotmail.com, "Jacob Israel" <jk@israeliteidentity.com>, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk, alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com, ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com, alishaban952@yahoo.com, allinam@hrw.org, allo.allo2u@gmail.com, ank2000pk@yahoo.com, annefrank1210@yahoo.com, ANTGNE@aol.com, EDPALS@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:48 PM



avoiding the issue again!  What is the motive for terrorism?

 

A

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From: EVE DEMIAN

To: joelrachmiel@aol.com ; jgtea@comcast.net ; majorhart@sbcglobal.net ; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com ; desertfoxi@cox.net ; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net ; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net ; nikon99@hotmail.com ; Jacob Israel ; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca ; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk ; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com ; Algae5636@aol.com ; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com ; alishaban952@yahoo.com ; allinam@hrw.org ; allo.allo2u@gmail.com ; ank2000pk@yahoo.com ; annefrank1210@yahoo.com ; ANTGNE@aol.com ; EDPALS@aol.com ; alan B'Stard M P

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:37 AM

Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew

 

Surely you *jest*!! 

 

But - - political humor is not your forte!



--- On Wed, 1/20/10, alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au> wrote:


From: alan B'Stard M P <alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew
To: "EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>, joelrachmiel@aol.com, jgtea@comcast.net, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, desertfoxi@cox.net, randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, nikon99@hotmail.com, "Jacob Israel" <jk@israeliteidentity.com>, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk, alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com, ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com, alishaban952@yahoo.com, allinam@hrw.org, allo.allo2u@gmail.com, ank2000pk@yahoo.com, annefrank1210@yahoo.com, ANTGNE@aol.com, EDPALS@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 6:33 PM



No one asks the muslem terrorists what the problem is.  Should do so to find their motivation.  Old Helen Thomas says the same thing, and she's right

 

A

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From: EVE DEMIAN

To: joelrachmiel@aol.com ; alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au ; jgtea@comcast.net ; majorhart@sbcglobal.net ; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com ; desertfoxi@cox.net ; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net ; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net ; nikon99@hotmail.com ; Jacob Israel ; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca ; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk ; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com ; Algae5636@aol.com ; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com ; alishaban952@yahoo.com ; allinam@hrw.org ; allo.allo2u@gmail.com ; ank2000pk@yahoo.com ; annefrank1210@yahoo.com ; ANTGNE@aol.com ; EDPALS@aol.com

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew

 

This comes to you, please note, from an alleged "man" who discerns ability to survive *not* by thousands of years of survival, beyond any other great civilization in history, but by *how many medals that civilization has won - - in the Olympics!

 

Need I say more???

 

But I will:  War for 65 years - - and eleven dead at the MUNICH OLYMPICS (thanks again for the opportunity to bring this up, imbecile!) demonstrating the *first* perceivable connection between modern-day Germany, and Islamic terrorism.



--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com> wrote:


From: Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com>
Subject: Joel Rachmiel the lying Jew
To: joelrachmiel@aol.com, alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au, jgtea@comcast.net, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, evedemian@verizon.net, desertfoxi@cox.net, randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, nikon99@hotmail.com, jk@israeliteidentity.com, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk, alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com, ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com, alishaban952@yahoo.com, allinam@hrw.org, allo.allo2u@gmail.com, ank2000pk@yahoo.com, annefrank1210@yahoo.com, ANTGNE@aol.com, EDPALS@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 3:54 PM

<<< And I'm still waiting for you to show me proof that Israel is a parasite state and the rest that you so lovingly write, Mr Bastard.>>>

If EITHER the U.S. or Germany were to pull the plug on all the welfare dollars [read: “foreign aid” and “war reparations”] the next DAY “Israel” would be a glass parking lot, and you KNOW it.

A “nation” like yours, where only ONE “Israeli” won a Gold Medal in half a CENTURY (and that “Israeli” was an ARAB) could NEVER survive on its own:

http://christianpartynet.net/olympicgoldmedals.htm

John Knight

From: joelrachmiel@aol.com [mailto:joelrachmiel@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:22 AM
To: alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au; jgtea@comcast.net; majorhart@sbcglobal.net; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com; evedemian@verizon.net; desertfoxi@cox.net; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net; jk@israeliteknight.com; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net; nikon99@hotmail.com; jk@israeliteidentity.com; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com; Algae5636@aol.com; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com; alishaban952@yahoo.com; allinam@hrw.org; allo.allo2u@gmail.com; ank2000pk@yahoo.com; annefrank1210@yahoo.com; ANTGNE@aol.com; EDPALS@aol.com
Subject: A Miserable Not-So-Old Nazi Bastard and Israel

OK, Bastard, I guess you're only a miserable, not-really-that-old, parasitic Nazi Bastard.  But your whole hate-filled Anti-Semitic brain is certainly on a miserable old man's auto pilot.

 

I'm sure you have some good points.  Prove them to me.

 

And I'm still waiting for you to show me proof that Israel is a parasite state and the rest that you so lovingly write, Mr Bastard.

 

In a message dated 1/20/2010 11:04:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au writes:

old!  Where did you get that from LOL  fucktard

 

A

 

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/245-2008-november/3845-congress-watch-a-conservative-estimate-of-total-direct-us-aid-to-israel-almost-114-billion.html

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From: joelrachmiel@aol.com

To: alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au ; jgtea@comcast.net ; majorhart@sbcglobal.net ; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com ; evedemian@verizon.net ; desertfoxi@cox.net ; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net ; jk@israeliteknight.com ; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net ; nikon99@hotmail.com ; jk@israeliteidentity.com ; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca ; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk ; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com ; Algae5636@aol.com ; ali_kamran_pu@hotmail.com ; alishaban952@yahoo.com ; allinam@hrw.org ; allo.allo2u@gmail.com ; ank2000pk@yahoo.com ; annefrank1210@yahoo.com ; ANTGNE@aol.com

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:22 AM

Subject: A Miserable Old Nazi Bastard and Israel

 

Alan Bastard is a miserable old parasitic Nazi Bastard.  His whole hate-filled Anti-Semitic brain is on auto pilot.

 

Show me proof that Israel is a parasite state and the rest that you so lovingly write, Mr Bastard.

 

In a message dated 1/20/2010 8:11:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au writes:

Israel is a parasite State.  The whole nation is on the unemployment benefit, AKA the U.S and german taxpayer

 

A

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Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 10:45 PM

Subject: RE: Israel

 

Time israhell becomes autonomous, period.

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Subject: Israel

True Lies

The Cost of Israel to US Taxpayers

By Richard H. Curtiss
Former U.S. Foreign Service Officer

October 03, 2009 "WRMEA" -- For many years the American media said that “Israel receives $1.8 billion in military aid” or that “Israel receives $1.2 billion in economic aid.” Both statements were true, but since they were never combined to give us the complete total of annual U.S. aid to Israel, they also were lies—true lies.

Recently Americans have begun to read and hear that “Israel receives $3 billion in annual U.S. foreign aid.” That's true. But it's still a lie. The problem is that in fiscal 1997 alone, Israel received from a variety of other U.S. federal budgets at least $525.8 million above and beyond its $3 billion from the foreign aid budget, and yet another $2 billion in federal loan guarantees. So the complete total of U.S. grants and loan guarantees to Israel for fiscal 1997 was $5,525,800,000.

One can truthfully blame the mainstream media for never digging out these figures for themselves, because none ever have. They were compiled by the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs. But the mainstream media certainly are not alone. Although Congress authorizes America's foreign aid total, the fact that more than a third of it goes to a country smaller in both area and population than Hong Kong probably never has been mentioned on the floor of the Senate or House. Yet it's been going on for more than a generation.

Probably the only members of Congress who even suspect the full total of U.S. funds received by Israel each year are the privileged few committee members who actually mark it up. And almost all members of the concerned committees are Jewish, have taken huge campaign donations orchestrated by Israel's Washington, DC lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), or both. These congressional committee members are paid to act, not talk. So they do and they don't.

The same applies to the president, the secretary of state, and the foreign aid administrator. They all submit a budget that includes aid for Israel, which Congress approves, or increases, but never cuts. But no one in the executive branch mentions that of the few remaining U.S. aid recipients worldwide, all of the others are developing nations which either make their military bases available to the U.S., are key members of international alliances in which the U.S. participates, or have suffered some crippling blow of nature to their abilities to feed their people such as earthquakes, floods or droughts.

Israel, whose troubles arise solely from its unwillingness to give back land it seized in the 1967 war in return for peace with its neighbors, does not fit those criteria. In fact, Israel's 1995 per capita gross domestic product was $15,800. That put it below Britain at $19,500 and Italy at $18,700 and just above Ireland at $15,400 and Spain at $14,300.

All four of those European countries have contributed a very large share of immigrants to the U.S., yet none has organized an ethnic group to lobby for U.S. foreign aid. Instead, all four send funds and volunteers to do economic development and emergency relief work in other less fortunate parts of the world.

The lobby that Israel and its supporters have built in the United States to make all this aid happen, and to ban discussion of it from the national dialogue, goes far beyond AIPAC, with its $15 million budget, its 150 employees, and its five or six registered lobbyists who manage to visit every member of Congress individually once or twice a year.

AIPAC, in turn, can draw upon the resources of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, a roof group set up solely to coordinate the efforts of some 52 national Jewish organizations on behalf of Israel.

Among them are Hadassah, the Zionist women’s organization, which organizes a steady stream of American Jewish visitors to Israel; the American Jewish Congress, which mobilizes support for Israel among members of the traditionally left-of-center Jewish mainstream; and the American Jewish Committee, which plays the same role within the growing middle-of-the-road and right-of-center Jewish community. The American Jewish Committee also publishes Commentary, one of the Israel lobby’s principal national publications.

Perhaps the most controversial of these groups is B’nai B’rith’s Anti-Defamation League. Its original highly commendable purpose was to protect the civil rights of American Jews. Over the past generation, however, the ADL has regressed into a conspiratorial and, with a $45 million budget, extremely well funded hate group.

In the 1980s, during the tenure of chairman Seymour Reich, who went on to become chairman of the Conference of Presidents, ADL was found to have circulated two annual fund-raising letters warning Jewish parents against allegedly negative influences on their children arising from the increasing Arab presence on American university campuses.

More recently, FBI raids on ADL’s Los Angeles and San Francisco offices revealed that an ADL operative had purchased files stolen from the San Francisco police department that a court had ordered destroyed because they violated the civil rights of the individuals on whom they had been compiled. ADL, it was shown, had added the illegally prepared and illegally obtained material to its own secret files, compiled by planting informants among Arab-American, African-American, anti-Apartheid and peace and justice groups.

The ADL infiltrators took notes of the names and remarks of speakers and members of audiences at programs organized by such groups. ADL agents even recorded the license plates of persons attending such programs and then suborned corrupt motor vehicles department employees or renegade police officers to identify the owners.

Although one of the principal offenders fled the United States to escape prosecution, no significant penalties were assessed. ADL’s Northern California office was ordered to comply with requests by persons upon whom dossiers had been prepared to see their own files, but no one went to jail and as yet no one has paid fines.

Not surprisingly, a defecting employee revealed in an article he published in the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs that AIPAC, too, has such “enemies” files. They are compiled for use by pro-Israel journalists like Steven Emerson and other so-called “Terrorism experts,” and also by professional, academic or journalistic rivals of the persons described for use in blacklisting, defaming, or denouncing them. What is never revealed is that AIPAC’s “opposition research“ department, under the supervision of Michael Lewis, son of famed Princeton University Orientalist Bernard Lewis, is the source of this defamatory material.

But this is not AIPAC’s most controversial activity. In the 1970s, when Congress put a cap on the amount its members could earn from speakers’ fees and book royalties over and above their salaries, it halted AIPAC’s most effective ways of paying off members for voting according to AIPAC recommendations. Members of AIPAC’s national board of directors solved the problem by returning to their home states and creating political action committees (PACs).

Most special interests have PACs, as do many major corporations, labor unions, trade associations and public-interest groups. But the pro-Israel groups went wild. To date some 126 pro-Israel PACs have been registered, and no fewer than 50 have been active in every national election over the past generation.

An individual voter can give up to $2,000 to a candidate in an election cycle, and a PAC can give a candidate up to $10,000. However, a single special interest with 50 PACs can give a candidate who is facing a tough opponent, and who has voted according to its recommendations, up to half a million dollars. That’s enough to buy all the television time needed to get elected in most parts of the country.

Even candidates who don’t need this kind of money certainly don’t want it to become available to a rival from their own party in a primary election, or to an opponent from the opposing party in a general election. As a result, all but a handful of the 535 members of the Senate and House vote as AIPAC instructs when it comes to aid to Israel, or other aspects of U.S. Middle East policy.

There is something else very special about AIPAC’s network of political action committees. Nearly all have deceptive names. Who could possibly know that the Delaware Valley Good Government Association in Philadelphia, San Franciscans for Good Government in California, Cactus PAC in Arizona, Beaver PAC in Wisconsin, and even Icepac in New York are really pro-Israel PACs under deep cover?
Hiding AIPAC’s Tracks

In fact, the congress members know it when they list the contributions they receive on the campaign statements they have to prepare for the Federal Election Commission. But their constituents don’t know this when they read these statements. So just as no other special interest can put so much “hard money” into any candidate’s election campaign as can the Israel lobby, no other special interest has gone to such elaborate lengths to hide its tracks.

Although AIPAC, Washington’s most feared special-interest lobby, can hide how it uses both carrots and sticks to bribe or intimidate members of Congress, it can’t hide all of the results.

Anyone can ask one of their representatives in Congress for a chart prepared by the Congressional Research Service, a branch of the Library of Congress, that shows Israel received $62.5 billion in foreign aid from fiscal year 1949 through fiscal year 1996. People in the national capital area also can visit the library of the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) in Rosslyn, Virginia, and obtain the same information, plus charts showing how much foreign aid the U.S. has given other countries as well.

Visitors will learn that in precisely the same 1949-1996 time frame, the total of U.S. foreign aid to all of the countries of sub-Saharan Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined was $62,497,800,000--almost exactly the amount given to tiny Israel.

According to the Population Reference Bureau of Washington, DC, in mid-1995 the sub-Saharan countries had a combined population of 568 million. The $24,415,700,000 in foreign aid they had received by then amounted to $42.99 per sub-Saharan African.

Similarly, with a combined population of 486 million, all of the countries of Latin America and the Caribbean together had received $38,254,400,000. This amounted to $79 per person.

The per capita U.S. foreign aid to Israel’s 5.8 million people during the same period was $10,775.48. This meant that for every dollar the U.S. spent on an African, it spent $250.65 on an Israeli, and for every dollar it spent on someone from the Western Hemisphere outside the United States, it spent $214 on an Israeli.
Shocking Comparisons

These comparisons already seem shocking, but they are far from the whole truth. Using reports compiled by Clyde Mark of the Congressional Research Service and other sources, freelance writer Frank Collins tallied for the Washington Report all of the extra items for Israel buried in the budgets of the Pentagon and other federal agencies in fiscal year 1993.Washington Report news editor Shawn Twing did the same thing for fiscal years 1996 and 1997.

They uncovered $1.271 billion in extras in FY 1993, $355.3 million in FY 1996 and $525.8 million in FY 1997. These represent an average increase of 12.2 percent over the officially recorded foreign aid totals for the same fiscal years, and they probably are not complete. It’s reasonable to assume, therefore, that a similar 12.2 percent hidden increase has prevailed over all of the years Israel has received aid.

As of Oct. 31, 1997 Israel will have received $3.05 billion in U.S. foreign aid for fiscal year 1997 and $3.08 billion in foreign aid for fiscal year 1998. Adding the 1997 and 1998 totals to those of previous years since 1949 yields a total of $74,157,600,000 in foreign aid grants and loans. Assuming that the actual totals from other budgets average 12.2 percent of that amount, that brings the grand total to $83,204,827,200.

But that’s not quite all. Receiving its annual foreign aid appropriation during the first month of the fiscal year, instead of in quarterly installments as do other recipients, is just another special privilege Congress has voted for Israel. It enables Israel to invest the money in U.S. Treasury notes. That means that the U.S., which has to borrow the money it gives to Israel, pays interest on the money it has granted to Israel in advance, while at the same time Israel is collecting interest on the money. That interest to Israel from advance payments adds another $1.650 billion to the total, making it $84,854,827,200.That’s the number you should write down for total aid to Israel. And that’s $14,346 each for each man, woman and child in Israel.

It’s worth noting that that figure does not include U.S. government loan guarantees to Israel, of which Israel has drawn $9.8 billion to date. They greatly reduce the interest rate the Israeli government pays on commercial loans, and they place additional burdens on U.S. taxpayers, especially if the Israeli government should default on any of them. But since neither the savings to Israel nor the costs to U.S. taxpayers can be accurately quantified, they are excluded from consideration here.

Further, friends of Israel never tire of saying that Israel has never defaulted on repayment of a U.S. government loan. It would be equally accurate to say Israel has never been required to repay a U.S. government loan. The truth of the matter is complex, and designed to be so by those who seek to conceal it from the U.S. taxpayer.

Most U.S. loans to Israel are forgiven, and many were made with the explicit understanding that they would be forgiven before Israel was required to repay them. By disguising as loans what in fact were grants, cooperating members of Congress exempted Israel from the U.S. oversight that would have accompanied grants. On other loans, Israel was expected to pay the interest and eventually to begin repaying the principal. But the so-called Cranston Amendment, which has been attached by Congress to every foreign aid appropriation since 1983, provides that economic aid to Israel will never dip below the amount Israel is required to pay on its outstanding loans. In short, whether U.S. aid is extended as grants or loans to Israel, it never returns to the Treasury.

Israel enjoys other privileges. While most countries receiving U.S. military aid funds are expected to use them for U.S. arms, ammunition and training, Israel can spend part of these funds on weapons made by Israeli manufacturers. Also, when it spends its U.S. military aid money on U.S. products, Israel frequently requires the U.S. vendor to buy components or materials from Israeli manufacturers. Thus, though Israeli politicians say that their own manufacturers and exporters are making them progressively less dependent upon U.S. aid, in fact those Israeli manufacturers and exporters are heavily subsidized by U.S. aid.

Although it’s beyond the parameters of this study, it’s worth mentioning that Israel also receives foreign aid from some other countries. After the United States, the principal donor of both economic and military aid to Israel is Germany.

By far the largest component of German aid has been in the form of restitution payments to victims of Nazi atrocities. But there also has been extensive German military assistance to Israel during and since the Gulf war, and a variety of German educational and research grants go to Israeli institutions. The total of German assistance in all of these categories to the Israeli government, Israeli individuals and Israeli private institutions has been some $31 billion or $5,345 per capita, bringing the per capita total of U.S. and German assistance combined to almost $20,000 per Israeli. Since very little public money is spent on the more than 20 percent of Israeli citizens who are Muslim or Christian, the actual per capita benefits received by Israel’s Jewish citizens would be considerably higher.
True Cost to U.S. Taxpayers

Generous as it is, what Israelis actually got in U.S. aid is considerably less than what it has cost U.S. taxpayers to provide it. The principal difference is that so long as the U.S. runs an annual budget deficit, every dollar of aid the U.S. gives Israel has to be raised through U.S. government borrowing.

In an article in the Washington Report for December 1991/January 1992, Frank Collins estimated the costs of this interest, based upon prevailing interest rates for every year since 1949. I have updated this by applying a very conservative 5 percent interest rate for subsequent years, and confined the amount upon which the interest is calculated to grants, not loans or loan guarantees.

On this basis the $84.8 billion in grants, loans and commodities Israel has received from the U.S. since 1949 cost the U.S. an additional $49,936,880,000 in interest.

There are many other costs of Israel to U.S. taxpayers, such as most or all of the $45.6 billion in U.S. foreign aid to Egypt since Egypt made peace with Israel in 1979 (compared to $4.2 billion in U.S. aid to Egypt for the preceding 26 years). U.S. foreign aid to Egypt, which is pegged at two-thirds of U.S. foreign aid to Israel, averages $2.2 billion per year.

There also have been immense political and military costs to the U.S. for its consistent support of Israel during Israel’s half-century of disputes with the Palestinians and all of its Arab neighbors. In addition, there have been the approximately $10 billion in U.S. loan guarantees and perhaps $20 billion in tax-exempt contributions made to Israel by American Jews in the nearly half-century since Israel was created.

Even excluding all of these extra costs, America’s $84.8 billion in aid to Israel from fiscal years 1949 through 1998, and the interest the U.S. paid to borrow this money, has cost U.S. taxpayers $134.8 billion, not adjusted for inflation. Or, put another way, the nearly $14,630 every one of 5.8 million Israelis received from the U.S. government by Oct. 31, 1997 has cost American taxpayers $23,240 per Israeli.

It would be interesting to know how many of those American taxpayers believe they and their families have received as much from the U.S. Treasury as has everyone who has chosen to become a citizen of Israel. But it’s a question that will never occur to the American public because, so long as America’s mainstream media, Congress and president maintain their pact of silence, few Americans will ever know the true cost of Israel to U.S. taxpayers.

Richard H. Curtiss enlisted in the U.S. Army in World War II, and served as a military correspondent in Berlin, Germany after the war. After earning a B.A. in journalism from the University of Southern California and working on newspapers and for the United Press, he served as a career Foreign Service officer with the Department of State and the U.S. Information Agency throughout the world and in Washington D.C. During his U.S. government career he received the U.S. Information Agency’s Superior Honor Award and the Edward R. Murrow award for excellence in Public Diplomacy, U.S.I.A.’s highest professional recognition. Curtiss is currently the Executive Editor of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs





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