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Judy Hayner

 

 

Easily beguiled whore haynes whines:

 

<<<Your whole religion seems just an excuse to call people names, sexual slurs, or racial slurs.>>>

You call WHITE men "white supremacists" just for standing up for their OWN race, "racists" *simply* for wanting to associate only with their own kind [a word you don't even use properly], "anti-semites" for "denying the holocaust" or acknowledging that Jesus was NOT a jew [another word you don't use properly], and now you have the chutzpah to complain about whores being called whores and niggers being called niggers?

Your two faced "religion" has been exposed for all to see! You have no more right nor reason to sling slurs against White men by calling them "white supremacists" than we have to call you whores whores.

 

<<<Wow! John Knight's ACTUALLY SAID:   "A loving God is anti-Christ."
(exact quote:  Your "god loves everyone" is not in ANY religion--it's straight from PAGANISM.  It is ANTI-Christ.)>>>
 
 
Your DENIAL of the Word of God, your DENIAL that God hates ESAU, is PAGANISM, not a religion, and not Christianity.
 
IT IS A LIE TO CLAIM GOD DOES NOT HATE ESAU.  You have no religion.  You are an anti-Christ:
 

Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, but hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for jackals, Malachai 1:3

As it is written: "I loved Jacob but hated Esau," Romans 9:13

 
God HATES Esau.  God HATES those who DENY His Word.  This feminism that you preach is NOT  a religion.  You HAVE no religion.  You are a PAGAN.  Your feminazi god is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, it's the god He told US to have nothing to do with:
 
I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before me."
 
John Knight
 

Wow! John Knight's ACTUALLY SAID:   "A loving God is anti-Christ."
(exact quote:  Your "god loves everyone" is not in ANY religion--it's straight from PAGANISM.  It is ANTI-Christ.)





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From: EVE DEMIAN <evedemian@verizon.net>
To: gary beauregard <beau@gcbussu.com>; Eleanor Pickron <nora22000@yahoo.com>; Trishool <lalhgehi@yahoo.com>; Judy Hayner <edpals2@yahoo.com>; Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com>
Cc: Lev Zilbermintz <polyanker@gmail.com>; virginiaf.raines <virginiaf.raines@gmail.com>; PredatorBC@aol.com; desertfoxi@cox.net; majorhart@sbcglobal.net; JUDYFULLER007@aol.com; Murray1833@aol.com; randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net; JoelRachmiel@aol.com; jchorak7441@sbcglobal.net; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net; nikon99@hotmail.com; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca; debunks@sbcglobal.net; alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au; alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk; alexjamesnews2@gmail.com; Algae5636@aol.com; ardeshir@mac.com; bbrabant@sault.com; bdaspit@rustyhardin.com; bgelman@phila.k12.pa.us
Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 8:25:10 AM
Subject: Re: jews are not White!

This specimen contradicts himself so thoroughly that I imagine that his head must ping-pong from one side to the other, as if someone were smacking him around, as he writes! 
 
Just take a look at what is written here; it is unintelligible; he just *blathers*!  This substitute, Fake John Knight is even more *illogical* than the usual one!!
 
Judy; pay no attention to this disgusting moron.  The way he talks to women is a disgrace to his own mother.
 
The Christian Identity movement must be sadly lacking in participants, if *this* is what they have on board, in lieu of the "real" 'John Knight'! 

--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com> wrote:

From: Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteidentity.com>
Subject: jews are not White!
To: "gary beauregard" <beau@gcbussu.com>, "Eleanor Pickron" <nora22000@yahoo.com>, "Trishool" <lalhgehi@yahoo.com>, "Judy Hayner" <edpals2@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Lev Zilbermintz" <polyanker@gmail.com>, "EVE DEMIAN" <evedemian@verizon.net>, "virginiaf.raines" <virginiaf.raines@gmail.com>, PredatorBC@aol.com, desertfoxi@cox.net, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, JUDYFULLER007@aol.com, Murray1833@aol.com, randulf.johan.hansen@c2i.net, JoelRachmiel@aol.com, jchorak7441@sbcglobal.net, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, nikon99@hotmail.com, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, debunks@sbcglobal.net, alan_b.stard.M.P@westnet.com.au, alberto_portugheis@yahoo.co.uk, alexjamesnews2@gmail.com, Algae5636@aol.com, ardeshir@mac.com, bbrabant@sault.com, bdaspit@rustyhardin.com, bgelman@phila.k12.pa.us
Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 8:59 AM

Easily beguiled whore Haynes opined:
 
<<<I'm sure there would be some other religion that could be used to justify our hatreds.>>>
 
 
If you easily beguiled whores and feminazis actually FOLLOWED or UNDERSTOOD *any* religion, you actually could never justify your pure white HATRED of racial purity, particularly that of the White Race.
 
You HAVE no religion.  You have only feminaziism.  And feminaziism is not a religion, no matter how hard Sandra Day O'Connor tried to convert it into one.  There's not a single verse in Scripture you easily beguiled whores haven't rejected right here on this very forum, so don't try to blame your hatred on any religion.
 
Your "god loves everyone" is not in ANY religion--it's straight from PAGANISM.  It is ANTI-Christ.
 
John Knight

Labels are simply convenient hooks on which to hang hateful thoughts and deeds. Hatreds are not always irrational. when applied to specific, individual targetsm they may actually be justified. Applying these hatreds to groups becomes very problematic.
 
Bear

 

Easily beguiled whore Haynes opined:
 

<<<I'm sure there would be some other religion that could be used to justify our hatreds.>>>

 
 
If you easily beguiled whores and feminazis actually FOLLOWED or UNDERSTOOD *any* religion, you actually could never justify your pure white HATRED of racial purity, particularly that of the White Race.
 
You HAVE no religion.  You have only feminaziism.  And feminaziism is not a religion, no matter how hard Sandra Day O'Connor tried to convert it into one.  There's not a single verse in Scripture you easily beguiled whores haven't rejected right here on this very forum, so don't try to blame your hatred on any religion.
 
Your "god loves everyone" is not in ANY religion--it's straight from PAGANISM.  It is ANTI-Christ.

 

 

Easily beguiled whore Haynes whiiiines:
 
 
<<<<Thanks to the incredible money to be made by the very few at the top of the food chain, our own country has been 
inundated by workers from all over the world, creating a society that is becoming more cosmopolitan and multi-cultural
than perhaps anywhere before on this earth.>>>>
 
 
 
Your lack of knowledge of Scripture is exceeded only by your lack of knowledge of history, which is exceeded only by your lack of knowledge of economics.
 
"muticulturalism" is as ancient as feminism.
 
BOTH the House of Israel, AND the House of Judah, became "cosmopolitan", and BOTH collapsed INSTANTLY.
 
Ditto for BOTH the Roman Empire and the Greek Empire.
 
AND the Egyptian dynasties.
 
We ARE already a third world "cosmopolitan" nation, and YOU don't even KNOW it, while PURE RACE countries like Japan, Korea, Germany, and Norway are LIGHT YEARS ahead of us in EVERY way conceivable (incomes, savings rates, crime rates, education spending, "health care" spending, ad infinitum.
 
PURE RACE Korea now has a HIGHER standard of living than us, PLUS a 37% Personal Savings rate [compared to our niggerized NEGATIVE SAVINGS rate].  Korea is also in the process of IMPRISONING feminazis, FIRING women teachers, and exiling communists like you.

 

 

----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Hayner
To: Jacob Israel ; Viva Veridad ; Jimmy Jumshade ; virginiaf.raines ; carpbear@sbcglobal.net ; debunks@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: a necessary evil


You are seeing what you want to see there.


You are just making stuff up so you can call another woman a whore.


Your whole religion seems just an excuse to call people names, sexual slurs, or racial slurs.


I'm guessing you get something out of it.

<<<
"God the son, God the father, God the Holy ghost"..........is a bigger Fairy tale than Santa Claus...............
>>>
 
 
The fairy tale is the way the Catholic "church" teaches it.
 
In a year and a half in Russia I discovered that to Russians it means literally the biological father, his biological son, and the Israelite lineage from the day Jacob was born to the 10 seconds ago that the  last Israelite baby was born.  160 million Russian Orthodox do NOT agree with this fairy tale no matter what the RCC says about it.
 
As much as Russians are so different from us legally, socially, economically, etc., they are amazingly similar racially--actually, identical. And they have some real horror stories to tell about the roll of the RCC in ruining things for them and their allies which we need to understand much better than I already understand about it.
 
In 1774, King George established it as the state religion for England, so in 1776 we tossed him out and it was UNITARIAN PROTESTANTS who founded this nation, with only 1% Catholics present.  Two short centuries later, we had established the highest standard of living the world had ever known, and former super power trinitarian England had to beg us unitarians to save their sorry hides from the Germans.  Judy's posts explain the problem perfectly--Catholics are parasites who need the Protestant teat to suck off just to survive.
 
It's not just that the trinity is the culture of death, but that it's a slick way to introduce goddess worshiping into this "church" under the guise of following Jesus.  Is it even possible for them to know that if we redirect on OUNCE of respect to "the virgin Mary", we take a TON of respect from Jesus, PLUS we disobey a COMMANDMENT?  Of course not:
 
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me, John 14:6
 
 
They cannot possibly grasp that there's absolutely no room in that commandment to direct an OUNCE of respect away from Jesus, particularly not to be directed to a woman who GOD HIMSELF said was tainted with whoredom.  When the whores of Jesus' time tried to turn Mary into a saint, it was Jesus HIMSELF who set them straight, VERY fast:
 

"And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?" -Luke 2:48 & 49

The question of course is, why would Jesus, as a child, wander away from his earthly parents and reply to their concerns only with "I must be about my Father's business"?

"While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.'But He said, On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it." -Luke 11:27 & 28, NASB

Now, here is an amazing thing indeed. A woman essentially tells Jesus, "Blessed is Mary's womb and body." But Jesus replies, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."

The question then is, if Jesus is God's Son and obviously so blessed, why would Mary not be more blessed if she has parental authority as His mother? The answer is quite clear:

Mary is not the real mother of Jesus, since He existed before her. As Paul writes:

Colossians 1:16, "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him".

Jesus is the one who created Mary. But Paul says more pertaining to Mary:

"That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." -Philippians 2:10 & 11

Obviously Mary fits this category since it specifically names every area of creation, and thus will bow her knee to Jesus and confess Him as Lord. You see, Catholics are sure to be puzzled by the same question Jesus used to confound the Pharisees.

How many Americans don't understand this, and instead "believe in" the phony baloney trinity?  What percent of the population do you think they are, and what makes them think they have a right to deny the rest of us our First Amendment right to free exercise of religion?
 
271 million Americans CLAIM to be Christians, of which 58 million are Catholics and 18 million are niggers.  Of the 58 million Catholics, 30 million are illegal alien Indians from Mexico and South America who don't deserve the time of day, fit in perfectly with this goddess worshiping "church", and deserve to be grabbed by the scruff of the neck, goose stepped to the border, and tossed across just as Eisenhower did.  That leaves us with perhaps 28 million "white" Catholics, with many of them being Spanish or Italian who originally were a pure race but today are now mixed with niggers, Moors, berbers, Arabs, jews, etc, and simply can't grasp the concept of racial purity of His holy seed.  IF these Catholics are representative of the Catholics I know, THEN none of them buy into this trinity paganism, but that is a BIG if.  Let's give them the benefit of the doubt, and estimate that this 180 SAT Point gap between Catholics and Protestants results in 10 million of them being unable to read or grasp the Word of God being STUPID enough to accept it carte blanche as bedunked, viva, and jewdy have.
 
Are they Catholics?  Even viva claims that if they do NOT accept the trinity, then they cannot be Catholics.  Most of the Catholics I know are so incensed by what the faggot priests did that I cannot even repeat here what it is that they would do to them if they had the chance.  Are they Catholics?  Let's be generous and estimate that the RCC is off by only 50% and that the real number of "white" Catholics in the US is 14 million.
 
WHERE, exactly, in the US Constitution, does it say that a goddess-worshiping, disrespectful, blasphemous, whiney, pagan, abusive, uneducated, ignorant, arrogant 4.6% of the American population gets to dictate religious principles or beliefs to the other 95.4% of us?  Do you know where, Jimmy?  Is it buried someplace deep in the pope's bible?  Is it written on the tip of his pecker so that only fellow faggots like Cardinal Law can read it?  Is it "written on their hearts", and we need to give them heart operations to be able to read it?
 
Or do the 95.4% of us who REJECT it have the obligation, and the duty, and the moral responsibility, and the legal and Constitutional right, to REJECT them?
 
Federal statistics reveal that across the nation, from state to state, there’s a huge difference in social pathology, with murder rates varying 6 fold, abortion rates varying 8 fold, SAT scores varying 228 points, marriage rates varying 72%, and divorce rates varying 21%.  The states with the highest percentage of Catholics (i.e., Rhode Island with 59%, and Massachusetts with 43%) do very poorly in all these areas, whereas the states with the least percentage of Catholics (i.e., North Dakota with 22%, Iowa with 17%, and Utah with 8%) are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Where you would expect Catholic states to have the lowest abortion rates because of opposition to abortion by the Catholic Church, the abortion rates in ALL of these states are the highest in the country, with the rate in New York (38% Catholic) being 8 times higher than the rate in South Dakota (20% Catholic).  Where you would expect the marriage rate in Catholic states to be the highest, their rates are actually the lowest, with non-Catholic states like Utah (8.3% Catholics) having a marriage rate 73% higher than Catholic states like New York.  With the putative Catholic opposition to divorce, you’d expect to see a clear and distinct difference between states in this area, but relative to the low marriage rates of the predominately Catholic states, there’s no such distinction.  As a percent of the number of marriages, divorces in the most Catholic state Rhode Island (with 59% Catholics) are on par with the least Catholic state Utah (with 8% Catholics).  And even here, Utah wins because their marriage rate is 48% higher than Rhode Island anyway.

A real unexpected outcome of evaluating these statistics is the much lower murder rates in ALL the least Catholic states relative to ALL the most Catholic states.  For decades now, the murder rates in non-Catholic states like Vermont, Iowa, North Dakota, and South Dakota have been lower than 1 per 100,000 population, contrasted to rates greater than 5 in ALL these mainly Catholic states.  In 1994, compared to North Dakota, the murder rate in New York was 55 TIMES higher, in Rhode Island was 20 TIMES higher, and in Massachusetts was 17 TIMES higher.

If the abortion rate of the entire nation were equivalent to South Dakota, there would be 1,256,693 fewer abortions every year.  Conversely, if it were equivalent to primarily Catholic New York, there would be 944,000 MORE.  If the marriage and divorce rates of the entire nation were equivalent to that of Catholic free Tennessee, there would be 832,000 MORE marriages and fewer divorces.  Conversely, if it were equivalent to a Catholic state like Massachusetts, there would be 416 thousand FEWER marriages and the divorce rate would INCREASE.  If the murder rate in the entire nation were equivalent to North Dakota in 1994, there would be only 560 murders annually, a reduction of 25,520 murders.  Conversely, if it were equivalent to a Catholic state like New York, there would be 6,090 MORE, and if it were equivalent to Catholic-influenced Washington, DC, there would be 176,900 MORE.

If SAT scores for the entire nation were equivalent to Iowa’s score of 1,221, we’d score the highest in the world on both TIMSS and PISA.  But if they were equivalent to Rhode Island’s score of 993, we’d score between Israel and Africa.

 

 

 

 

> From:  "judyfuller007@aol.com"
> <judyfuller007@aol.com>
> To: debunks@sbcglobal.net; viva@catlover.com;
> Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 8:22:17 AM
> Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF  JESUS
>
>        Catholics are more quiet about their
> varying dogmas.   I knew a  priest back in the
> 60's who gave out special dispensations to women
> parishioners  to use birth control.  He had no
> authority to do that, but..... 
> shhhhh!    Now we have the American nuns
> defying the pope on his  questionnaire about their life and
> teachings and they refuse to respond to all  of the
> questions.   hahahah.   I love
> it.   Women  aren't what women used to
> be.   Even nuns.    
> This magnificent new speech by Jimmy
> Carter on this topic makes that
> point very well. Excerpts:   
> It is ironic that women are now welcomed
> into all major    professions and other positions of
> authority, but are branded as inferior and    deprived of
> the equal right to serve God in positions of religious
> leadership.    The plight of abused women is made more
> acceptable by the mandated    subservience of women by
> religious leaders.   The truth
> is that male religious leaders have had – and still   
> have – an option to interpret holy teachings either to
> exalt or subjugate    women. They have, for their own
> selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the    latter. Their
> continuing choice provides the foundation or justification
> for    much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women
> throughout the world.    This is in clear violation not just
> of the Universal Declaration of Human    Rights but also the
> teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses
>  and the    prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great
> religions - all of whom have    called for proper and
> equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is   
> time we had the courage to challenge these views and set a
> new course that    demands equal rights for women and men,
> girls and boys.    At their
> most repugnant, the belief that women are inferior    human
> beings in the eyes of God gives excuses to the brutal
> husband who beats    his wife, the soldier who rapes a
> woman, the employer who has a lower pay    scale for women
> employees, or parents who decide to abort a female embryo.
> It    also costs many millions of girls and women control
> over their own bodies and    lives, and continues to deny
> them fair and equal access to education, health    care,
> employment, and influence within their own
> communities    In a message dated

 

 

 

Courgar, you make good points.  

I do not think that anyone is denying the many other places on earth where human beings have committed/are committing atrocities, but it is good to keep that in mind in this discussion.  

And we should remember the indigenous people in this country were systematically exterminated. 

It is likely that our patriotic myths of pleasant Pilgrims, turkeys and Thanksgiving feasts with smiling Indians has allowed
many Americans to not even realize that actually happened on this continent.  It was premeditated, as brutal as
anything the Nazis ever did, and went on for hundreds of years.  After the killing was finally done, they were prohibited from following their own religions and culture.  Mind boggling.  While I hope some individuals at the time questioned this (although I've never read that anyone did), it seems to have been just the "policy" ... institutionalized racism, with its resultant brutality and murder.

Your point as to what "whites" did to indigenous peoples (in this country and also wherever they went and conquered) and to imported peoples (slaves) is extremely valid here.  Pls note:  I have, for the purposes of this note only, taken the liberty of putting back on the list some whom have engaged in this greater discussion of the holocaust, which you had removed from it.  Those
names are at the very end, just FYI, to make it easier for you to remove as you wish. 

Some of this discussion of the holocaust is because an element on the list is insisting that only "whites" (and apparently only white males) are deserving of respect.  This element reveals their disgust and disrespect for everyone non "white" by calling them "muds" and "mamzers" and "niggers".   

One of the groups that has been singled out for this disgust is the Jews.  So, while at the same time claiming to be proponents of the Bible, the old Testament of which is shared with Judaism, this group has developed a convoluted belief system that rejects anyone who follows the Jewish faith, because they are not "white".  They also reject conventional Christian theology, in favor of the assertion that Jesus was a racist, as is God.  They define the "whites", with extra points for being German, as the true "Israelites" .  They use the Bible is to give credence to their belief in their own inherent superiority.  

It is obvious that this thinking leads directly to a facile ability to deny the humanity in anyone else.  Even without creating a religion to glorify these errors of belief, it is all too easy for people to do this.  It happens all the time.  But denying the humanity in others is what causes events like the holocaust, all over the world.  

Our WHITE forefathers' unquestioning belief in their inherent superiority allowed them to exterminate the native population without a qualm.  (Well, not YOUR forefathers and mothers, Cougar, you lucky cat.)

My main point in all of this is that a basic respect for each other, no matter our color or our nation of origin is about the only thing that that might hold this world of ours together.   Our mutual history is
one of endless war, one group killing another because we have not yet learned how to respect each other.  

AND,  we must not forget that we are all capable of INDEPENDENT thought, and that not EVERY SINGLE PERSON in any one GROUP, be it religious, racial, or national group, necessarily THINKS OR BELIEVES in the exact same way.  THIS MUST BE UNDERSTOOD.

I normally say we must have respect for all "creeds", but some creeds have elements that can be used to deny the humanity of others, and to justify hatred and war and violence toward each other.  This is not limited to any one religion.

Your point on the actions of Israel is well taken, and while I have not followed this situation with as much diligence
as I should have, I agree that actions taken by the Israeli government have been unconscionable.  

However, to disagree with the actions of a Government is not the same as hating ever member of a religion or a self-identified ethnic group.  Not the same at all.

By this logic, Knight would have to hate HIMSELF for all the horrifying things other white men have done in the name
of the United States.  

 

 

 

 

Knight is offended that Viva asks Jumshade to respect God.

Jumshade said: 
Yes, GOD screwed Mary & produced JESUS...............

So, we must deduce Knight agrees with Jumshade.  

Viva asked Jumshade to be respectful of God, but Knight says that the only disrespect is by VIVA!  

I think we can see how this religion is progressing.

Knight  thinks that Viva disrespects KNIGHT by asking Jumshade to respect God.  

Knight has firmly placed HIMSELF, a "white" man, above God when he says:

Why don't YOU try to "have a little respect" for WHITE men, for a change!!??

His rage is that Viva is not bowing to KNIGHT!

The center of Knight's religion is KNIGHT HIMSELF!  NOT GOD, NOT JESUS.... JUST HIMSELF!











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From: Jimmy Jumshade <jimmybug@rocketmail.com>
Sent:
Wed, December 16, 2009 12:19:18 AM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

Counter-salute, Mr Knight..............



--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteknight.com> wrote:

From: Jacob Israel <jk@israeliteknight.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 9:44 PM

<<<Have a little respect, at least in relation to God.   >>>
 
 
Who in the heck are you kidding?  "respect".
 
You're a dod dam goddess worshiping pagan claiming that Mary was the "mother of god", a "perpetual virgin", never sinned (Jesus said she dishonored Him), who claims that God's commandments are "total rubbish" (even AFTER you PROVED you understood them), commanding the ONLY man on this forum who seems to know TRUTHS about God and America, to "have a little respect"??!!
 
Why don't YOU try to "have a little respect" for WHITE men, for a change!!??
 
If anybody wonders why women are commanded to be silent in the congregation (which happens right now to be the national boundaries), this is a classic example of WHY:
 
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to exercise authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety, 1 Timothy 2:11-15
 
 
John Knight
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----

 

 

 

So your truth, that you agreed with, is that women should not be allowed to speak?  That is what JKnight said.



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From: Jimmy Jumshade <jimmybug@rocketmail.com>
To: judyfuller007@aol.com; debunks@sbcglobal.net; viva@catlover.com; virginiaf.raines@gmail.com; algae5636@aol.com; vivaveridad@yahoo.ca; Judy Hayner <edpals2@yahoo.com>; Therese Dietliin <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: carpbear@sbcglobal..net; jk@israeliteidentity.com; majorhart@sbcglobal.net; blackexilenow@gmail.com; nikon99@hotmail.com; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net; JesusSearcher@aol.com; jmach499@verizon.net; harleymanfl@cox.net; ANTGNE@aol.com; cactuscougar@msn.com; ELLIAJT@aol.com; Hillbillytrailer@aol.com; jgtea@comcast.net; JBoyle10@aol..com; konola@bresnan.net; Lilbigy659@aol.com; Marckie13@live.com; Rockysma1@msn.com; Sirguy2003@ameritech.net; whatnowgop@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 4:14:05 PM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

Judy:

Certainly, my wife, girl-friends, daughters, nieces, aunts, women friends completely agree with me. I am not scared of women to speak the truth & my women are gutsy enough to accept the truth.........and agree with me...........




--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Therese Dietliin <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Therese Dietliin <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To: "Jimmy Jumshade" <jimmybug@rocketmail.com>, judyfuller007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net, viva@catlover.com, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, algae5636@aol.com, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca, "Judy Hayner" <edpals2@yahoo.com>
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Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:52 PM

How do you determine that this indivdual is a white supremist?  Or that he/she is even white or supreme?

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Judy Hayner <edpals2@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Judy Hayner <edpals2@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
> To: "Jimmy Jumshade" <jimmybug@rocketmail.com>, judyfuller007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net, viva@catlover.com, tdietlin@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, algae5636@aol.com, vivaveridad@yahoo.ca
> Cc: carpbear@sbcglobal.net, jk@israeliteidentity.com, majorhart@sbcglobal..net, blackexilenow@gmail.com, nikon99@hotmail.com, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, JesusSearcher@aol.com, jmach499@verizon.net, harleymanfl@cox.net, ANTGNE@aol.com, cactuscougar@msn.com, ELLIAJT@aol.com, Hillbillytrailer@aol.com, jgtea@comcast.net, JBoyle10@aol.com, konola@bresnan.net, Lilbigy659@aol.com, Marckie13@live.com, Rockysma1@msn.com, Sirguy2003@ameritech.net, whatnowgop@yahoo.com
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 1:30 PM
> JUMSHADE:  LOL!  How
> does MRS. Jumshade like your viewpoint?  
> Perhaps you should move to a part of the world
> that treats women with total disrespect..  
> There are plenty to choose from, but since you
> are a WHITE supremacist, could tolerate marrying a woman
> from a different race?   
>
>   

 

 

 

You persist in your self-righteiousness!  The dictionary is independent of my point of view.  I just choose the words that do the job I believe needs to be done. Anyway, you can blab all you want in response to this, I am finished with the topic.  It is clear you are not open to rational discussion.

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To: "Therese Dietliin" <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>, algae5636@aol.com, viva@catlover.com, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, JUDYFULLER007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net
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Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 4:25 PM

You would, since it supports you.  LOL!


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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 5:36:41 PM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

If even a dictionary definition doesn't help, let's just drop it right there.
Thanks for the attempt, Al.  I thought you did a good job of it.

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To: algae5636@aol.com, tdietlin@sbcglobal.net, viva@catlover.com, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, JUDYFULLER007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net
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Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 6:05 AM

Hang on, I maintain that what I believe in regarding my faith is the truth.
Now, I am not imposing that on anyone else.  You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.  So where is the arrogance?  

I mean, I have to contend with those of no faith (Therese D) for one, belittling my faith, ridiculing it.  Am I not entitled to defend my faith by correcting her where she is wrong?  I'm not imposing the truth on her, I am merely correcting her.  She is imposing her error on me, if it comes to that.  And I do not believe in her error.  

It seems to me that when one attempts to expound on why one believes in a certain way, that's considered arrogance.  But it's okay for non-Christians to use snide remarks, be rude, ridicule and belittle the Bible, etc, AND maintain that their NON-BELIEF is the be all and end all.

Bit of a double standard, wouldn't you say?

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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:52:43 AM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

Lol.
Why is it arrogant?
Viva, look again at what you said:
"Well, naturally, if you believe your faith is the truth,
and the pagans you encounter believe something alien to the truth,"

That you believe it to be the truth, does not make what the pagans believe "alien to the truth". It only makes it alien to what you believe. So when you go on to say: 

"then it stands to reason that they don't have the truth."
You have in effect defined the truth as limited to what you believe, or, defined anything you don't believe as false.

I know it wasn't your intent to be arrogant, but in precise English, you arrogated the truth.
Regards,
Al J
ar·ro·gate  (r-gt)
tr.v. ar·ro·gat·ed, ar·ro·gat·ing, ar·ro·gates
1. To take or claim for oneself without right; to appropriate: Presidents who have arrogated the power of Congress to declare war. 
2. To ascribe on behalf of another in an unwarranted manner.


-----Original Message-----
From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
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Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2009 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

Why is it arrogant?

If I look up at the sky and see that it's blue and say, "The sky is blue," is that arrogant, to state a fact?

If I believe the Catholic religion to be the true faith founded by Jesus Christ, then why is it arrogant to say so?

Obviously, I am Catholic because I believe in it.

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Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 9:53:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

WHOSE REASON?  This is one of the most arrogant statements I have read or encountered in a long time.

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
> To: algae5636@aol.com, viva@catlover.com, tdietlin@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, JUDYFULLER007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net
> Cc: carpbear@sbcglobal.net, jk@israeliteidentity.com, majorhart@sbcglobal.net, blackexilenow@gmail.com, nikon99@hotmail.com, isaiah14@sbcglobal.net, jimmybug@rocketmail.com, JesusSearcher@aol.com, edpals2@yahoo.com, jmach499@verizon.net, harleymanfl@cox.net, ANTGNE@aol.com, cactuscougar@msn.com, ELLIAJT@aol.com, Hillbillytrailer@aol.com, jgtea@comcast.net, JBoyle10@aol.com, konola@bresnan.net, Lilbigy659@aol.com, Marckie13@live.com, Rockysma1@msn.com, Sirguy2003@ameritech.net, whatnowgop@yahoo.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 3:51 PM
> Well, naturally, if you believe
> your faith is the truth, and the pagans you encounter
> believe something alien to the truth, then it stands to
> reason that they don't have the truth.
>
> From:
> "algae5636@aol.com" <algae5636@aol.com>
> To:
> viva@catlover.com; tdietlin@sbcglobal.net;
> virginiaf.raines@gmail.com; JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
> vivaveridad@yahoo.ca; debunks@sbcglobal.net
> Cc:
> carpbear@sbcglobal.net; jk@israeliteidentity.com;
majorhart@sbcglobal.net; blackexilenow@gmail.com;
> nikon99@hotmail.com; isaiah14@sbcglobal.net;
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> Sent: Wed,
> December 16, 2009 6:08:57 PM
> Subject: Re:
> JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
>
>
>  Lol.
>
>
>
>
> They,
> bringing the truth, could not expect the pagans to just give
> up their pagan ways overnight.
>
>  And
> since they were bringing the truth, they just naturally
> assumed the pagans didn't have any until they got
> there. 
>
> And that's how they showed the pagans it's true you
> can be naive and condescending at the same time.
>
> :-)
>
>
>

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>

>
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>
> -----Original
> Message-----
>
> From: viva@catlover.com
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> Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2009 2:15 pm
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> When missionaries
> went forth, obeying Jesus' words to preach to all, they
> came upon pagans, naturally enough.  So what did you
> expect them to do?
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>
> They, bringing the truth, could not expect the pagans
> to just give up their pagan ways overnight.  They had
> to allow the potential converts to slowly come to the
> knowledge of the truth and it was only good manners and
> consideration for them, and a bit of respect thrown in, that
> the decision was made to allow them to keep some of their
> practices, temporarily. 
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> Pagan feast days had hitherto been enjoyed by the
> pagans, so let them have their days, and if they coincided
> with important Christian feast days, then so much the
> better. 
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> it's really quite simple. 
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> The missionaries were men of God.  They were not
> military strategists. 
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> -----Original
> Message-----
>
>
> From: Therese Dietliin <tdietlin@sbcglobal.net>
>
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> JUDYFULLER007@aol.com;
> vivaveridad@yahoo.ca;
> algae5636@aol.com;
> debunks <debunks@sbcglobal.net>
>
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> Why not?  Christians -
> particularly Catholics hellbent on conversion -
>
> incorporated pagan mythology and thus coopted pagan gods
> and goddesses just
>
> about everywhere they went on the planet.  Who's to say
> they didn't adopt and
>
> adapt just to get the show started?
>
>
>

 

 

If even a dictionary definition doesn't help, let's just drop it right there.
Thanks for the attempt, Al.  I thought you did a good job of it.

--- On Thu, 12/17/09, Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
To: algae5636@aol.com, tdietlin@sbcglobal.net, viva@catlover.com, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, JUDYFULLER007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net
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Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 6:05 AM

Hang on, I maintain that what I believe in regarding my faith is the truth.
Now, I am not imposing that on anyone else.  You don't have to believe it if you don't want to.  So where is the arrogance?  

I mean, I have to contend with those of no faith (Therese D) for one, belittling my faith, ridiculing it.  Am I not entitled to defend my faith by correcting her where she is wrong?  I'm not imposing the truth on her, I am merely correcting her.  She is imposing her error on me, if it comes to that.  And I do not believe in her error.  

It seems to me that when one attempts to expound on why one believes in a certain way, that's considered arrogance.  But it's okay for non-Christians to use snide remarks, be rude, ridicule and belittle the Bible, etc, AND maintain that their NON-BELIEF is the be all and end all.

Bit of a double standard, wouldn't you say?

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Sent: Thu, December 17, 2009 12:52:43 AM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

Lol.
Why is it arrogant?
Viva, look again at what you said:
"Well, naturally, if you believe your faith is the truth,
and the pagans you encounter believe something alien to the truth,"

That you believe it to be the truth, does not make what the pagans believe "alien to the truth". It only makes it alien to what you believe. So when you go on to say: 

"then it stands to reason that they don't have the truth."
You have in effect defined the truth as limited to what you believe, or, defined anything you don't believe as false.

I know it wasn't your intent to be arrogant, but in precise English, you arrogated the truth.
Regards,
Al J
ar·ro·gate  (r-gt)
tr.v. ar·ro·gat·ed, ar·ro·gat·ing, ar·ro·gates
1. To take or claim for oneself without right; to appropriate: Presidents who have arrogated the power of Congress to declare war. 
2. To ascribe on behalf of another in an unwarranted manner.


-----Original Message-----
From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
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Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2009 7:06 pm
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

Why is it arrogant?

If I look up at the sky and see that it's blue and say, "The sky is blue," is that arrogant, to state a fact?

If I believe the Catholic religion to be the true faith founded by Jesus Christ, then why is it arrogant to say so?

Obviously, I am Catholic because I believe in it.

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Sent: Wed, December 16, 2009 9:53:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS

WHOSE REASON?  This is one of the most arrogant statements I have read or encountered in a long time.

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> From: Viva Veridad <vivaveridad@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: Re: JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
> To: algae5636@aol.com, viva@catlover.com, tdietlin@sbcglobal.net, virginiaf.raines@gmail.com, JUDYFULLER007@aol.com, debunks@sbcglobal.net
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> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 3:51 PM
> Well, naturally, if you believe
> your faith is the truth, and the pagans you encounter
> believe something alien to the truth, then it stands to
> reason that they don't have the truth.
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> From:
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> Sent: Wed,
> December 16, 2009 6:08:57 PM
> Subject: Re:
> JAMES THE BROTHER OF JESUS
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>  Lol.
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> They,
> bringing the truth, could not expect the pagans to just give
> up their pagan ways overnight.
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> since they were bringing the truth, they just naturally
> assumed the pagans didn't have any until they got
> there. 
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> And that's how they showed the pagans it's true you
> can be naive and condescending at the same time.
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> They, bringing the truth, could not expect the pagans
> to just give up their pagan ways overnight.  They had
> to allow the potential converts to slowly come to the
> knowledge of the truth and it was only good manners and
> consideration for them, and a bit of respect thrown in, that
> the decision was made to allow them to keep some of their
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> Pagan feast days had hitherto been enjoyed by the
> pagans, so let them have their days, and if they coincided
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> Why not?  Christians -
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> incorporated pagan mythology and thus coopted pagan gods
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> they didn't adopt and
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