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mamzers' word versus God's Word

The following exchange provides a keen insight into the operation (or failure) of the liberal brain.

We are eternally grateful to lobmamzer for taking the time to explain exactly how a liberal or judeochristian can parse the Holy Bible into so many separate, distinct, and novel "thoughts", while making "the Word of God of none effect", just as the jews of Jesus' day did:

Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition,

which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Mark 7:13

Before we begin, let's introduce lobmamzer so you can get an idea of what you're dealing with here.  His question that "So you do not believe that the Almighty God is in fact 'Almighty', because you have defined something that you claim He cannot do" is based on his "belief" that a God who  said "I change not", CAN "change His mind", because after all, "he's the Almighty God".

Whew.  I know, I know.  You settled this issue on your first grade playground between sessions with the secular brainwashers who captivated the "minds" of many folks like lobmamzer.

 

Mamzer

"The Bible does not say [God hates Esau], nor does God 'hate' anyone, though I am sure you subhuman nincompoop racists sorely tempt Him".

"If Jesus commands people to love thy enemies and thus to be perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect, then He is also saying that God does indeed love His enemies".

God

"Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, but
hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for
jackals", Malachai 1:3


As it is written: "I loved Jacob but
hated Esau.", Romans 9:13

For thou [art] not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Psalms 5:4-5

Mamzer

If I ever see Moses, I might ask him. But I doubt [if he ever called his people "Israelites"].

God

"And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not one of the cattle
of the Israelites dead. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he
did not let the people go" Exodus 9:7

Mamzer

"Paul was a Jew of Tarsus, and not a Greek. He was not an 'Israelite'".

God [thru Paul]

"I say then, Did not God thrust away His people? Let it not be!
For I also am an Israelite, out of Abraham's seed, of the tribe of
Benjamin", Rom 11:1 

Mamzer

"Obviously not, since [Moabites] did and continue to [enter the congregation of the LORD]. Or do you think that God is less than Almighty and couldn't stop them, if that is what He intended" [sic]

God

"An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the
LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the
congregation of the LORD forever", Deuteronomy 23:3

Mamzer

"No one knows what Paul looked like. But since he was a Jew of Tarsus,
he probably looked like other Jews of Tarsus
".

"A few of the tribe of Benjamin was counted among the Jews after the
return from the captivity.
"

God [thru Paul]

"And I became as a Jew to the Jews, that I might gain Jews; to
those under Law as under Law, that I might gain those under Law", 1 Corinthians 9:20

Then the commander came and said to him, "Tell me, are you a Roman citizen?" "Yes," he answered. The commander replied, "I acquired this citizenship for a large sum of money." Paul said, "But I was born one.", Acts 22:27-28

[note: only one "jew" ever became a Roman citizen, and that was Josephus who was given that as a reward, and thus didn't have to buy it like the Centurion did.  He ultimately gave up his Roman citizenship, divorced his gentile wife, went back to the sanhedrin, and married a jew].

Mamzer

"Speculation. [sic]  But there are no Edomites remaining in order to tell [if the descendants of Esau are Edomites]"

God

"And these [are] the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir" Genesis 36:9

Mamzer

"One never knows what Moses was counting, but there weren't 603,000 people in the desert".

God

"yea, all those numbered are six hundred thousand, and three
thousand, and five hundred and fifty
. And the Levites, for the tribe of their fathers, have not numbered themselves in their midst", Numbers 1:46-47

Mamzer

"... most of the descendants of Abraham had lost their status as people of Israel because they had NOT kept the covenant".

"The covenant with Abraham was for all the descendants of Abraham, and not just the Israelites".

"The covenant with Abraham says that someone who is not circumcised has violated the covenant and is cut off from his people".

"Pure folklore [that the heirs to the covenant at mount Sinai are modern Arabs], since genetic descent from Abraham is unprovable."

"I believe that [Arabs] are covered by the covenant with Abraham, and I believe that no one is an 'Israelite' today"

God

"And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him" Genesis 17:19

Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
for an
everlasting covenant, 1 Chronicles 16:16-17"

And you [ISRAELITES], being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses" Colossians 2:13

Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman
and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the
son of the freewoman.

[read: Ishmael, the son of the bondwoman Hagar, was not heir to the everlasting covenant as was Isaac, the son of the freewoman Sarah.  The mamzer's inference here is that everyone BUT the descendants of Jacob are "israelites" simply if  they might have been circised.  There are circumcised jews, but that does not make them Israelites.  Most Ishmaelites [read: Arabs] are circumcised, and not a single one would claim to be an Israelite].

Mamzer

"'they seed after thee' does not have a time or generation limit, so it included Esau"

" Esau may have been cheated out of Isaac's birthright and blessing"

God, quoted by Paul:

"Lest there [be] any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright" Hebrews 12:16

[note:  a fornicator is one who sells or gives away his birthright, not one who has "sex outside of marriage" as judeochristian Sunday school teachers say.  Note also how this mamzer twisted the Scripture from "sold his birthright" to "cheated out of Isaac's birthright", a keen insight into just how depraved the mamzer "mind" can be].

Mamzer

"Neither Jesus nor Paul said anything of the sort. Jesus brought about a NEW covenant, one which was not limited to descendants of Abraham, and one which may not require circumcision".

God

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
consumed" Malachi 3:6

Mamzer

"Actually it would seem that if Jesus is God in the flesh, the very same God who said the earlier words, then He could do anything He wants. Or was Jesus not Almighty God?"

God

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
consumed" Malachi 3:6

[read: the REAL God would NOT "lie", "change His mind", "make a mistake", nor be "disingenuous about His Law"]

Mamzer

"He [who is not circumcised] is no longer an Israelite. Per the statements of the Lord, he is cut off from his people. He has broken the covenant, and thus is not part of the covenant. God promises to Abraham do not apply to the descendants of someone who has broken the covenant".

God [quoted by Paul]

"And you [ISRAELITES], being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses" Colossians 2:13

Mamzer

"The Almighty God never made such a statement [about mamzers] in an eternal covenant"

God

"A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2

Mamzer

"The wages of sin are death. So sin is something other than breaking the covenant".

God

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

[note: "law" is translated from the Greek word "nomos", which was translated from the Hebrew word "Torah", which is the first five books of the Holy Bible, which INCLUDES the everlasting covenant God made with Abraham through Jacob]

Mamzer

"Obviously [it's not just Israelites who can sin], since Adam and Eve were not Israelites and they sinned."

God

"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between
thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise
his heel", Genesis 3:15

[note: no place in Scripture does God call what Adam and Eve did a "sin"]

Mamzer

"The wages of sin are death".

God

"And among the sons of the priests there were found that had
taken foreign [nikro, Strong's 5237] wives: namely, of the sons of
Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren; Maaseiah, and Eliezer, and
Jarib, and Gedaliah. And they gave their hands that they would put away their
wives; and being guilty, they offered a ram of the flock for their
trespass" Ezra 10:18-19

Mamzer

"The greatest sin is beings a racist nincompoop who serves Satan and posts lies about what God Almighty has said".

God

Which completely explains why God COMMANDED, not suggested "A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD" Deuteronomy 23:2

[note:  in not one single line of Scripture do the phrases "racist", "racism", "racist nincompoop", nor even "sexist" nor "anti-semite" appear.  In fact, as late as 1930 our dictionaries don't contain even one of the above phrases, so these are concepts which Israelites didn't even think about or consider for 5,000 years or more.  Why?   Because there were no mamzers in the community to make such fairy tales up, just as God commanded.  But now mamzers "know" what they "think" without having to be constrained by such language barriers, nor taking the time to comprehend one single word of the Word of God: it's a SIN to add to the Word of God like this]:

"Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you" Deuteronomy 4:2

Mamzer

"There are no Israelites who break the covenant, because once they break the covenant, they (and therefore their descendants) are not Israelites. They are just people (unless they choose to become subhuman racist slime)"

God

"Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
for an everlasting covenant", 1 Chronicles 16:16-17

Mamzer

"The new covenant of repentance and remission of sins was made to everyone that God should call. That would include those who are descended from the uncircumcised".

"We are all under God's Law, for He is Almighty".

"God has the same promises to me as to most other human beings".

God

"For thou [Israelites] [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all the peoples that [are] upon the earth", Deuteronomy 14:2

Mamzer

"The first verse says that the covenant is made with Abraham's seed. It does not say 'some of'; it does not say "only those through Isaac and Jacob". The second verse does not change this fact."

God

"And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.   And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year", Genesis 17:19-21

Mamzer

"Are you denying that the Almighty God has not the power to change His mind?"

WHAT?

God

"This law will never change. I am the LORD"! Leviticus 7:36

"For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
consumed", Malachi 3:6

Mamzer

"But it does not say that Esau was not covered by the covenant. And even if the Lord *had* done that to Esau, he did worse to Job, but still expected Job to remain true".

REPLY

Job didn't marry niggers.  Esau did.

Mamzer

"There are no Israelites".

God

"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed [Israelites] as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore; and thy seed [Israelites] shall possess the gate of his enemies" Genesis 22:17

In reply to the question:

"But God DID tell us to NEVER, EVER let mamzers into the congregation of the LORD, didn't He"?

The mamzer replied:

"Not relevant to the covenant with Abraham, which did not refer to any congregation".

God

"A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD"
Deuteronomy 23:2

[note:  this is a crucial part of the Torah which writes in stone that which had been handed down verbally from God]

Mamzer

Nor are all Jews [hairy eared, hook nosed].  Some of them look like Norwegians.    Indeed some of them ARE Norwegians

Reply

Most start like Alan Greenspan and end up looking like Paul Neuman after they've spend a billion dollars on plastic surgery.  No, not even a billion dollars was enough to keep Barbra Streisand from looking like she'd kissed a freight train at 100 mph.

Mamzer

"The Word of Paul is utterly irrelevant to the Word of God.  Sadly you
seem to confuse the two".

"We are all mongrels".

YES, ALL MAMZERS ARE MONGRELS ARE MAMZERS, and hating Paul means HATING God.

But either God LIED, or Israelites will always be under His EVERLASTING COVENANT!

 

 

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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> "jacobisrael" <jacob1srae1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> >> "jacobisrael" <jacob1srae1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Well, like I already said, the Holy Bible is not for you mamzers to
> >> >discern, so you don't need to keep on proving it by making so many
> >> >silly statements.

> >> I discern it far better than you do, nincompoop.

> >> >God commanded all of Abraham's descendants, not just Israelites, to be
> >> >circumcised. Even the Ishmaelites, who are the modern Arabs, are
> >> >circumcised, but that doesn't make them Israelites.

> >> The covenant with Abraham was for all the descendants of Abraham, and
> >> not just the Israelites.

> >But the ***everlasting covenant*** was ONLY with the descendants of
> >Abraham through Jacob.

> The Bible does not say that. If it is an "everlasting" covenant, then
> it lasts forever, which means it has to be kept by all the
> descendants.

And I repeat:
And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy
seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7
Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
for an everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17
We know that you've already seen this.  And now you're denying it.
You HATE the Word of God.

> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> << broken my covenant.

> >Not even Jacob's own twin brother Esau, whom
> >God HATES, was included in this ***everlasting covenant***.

> The Bible does not say that, nor does God "hate" anyone, though I am
> sure you subhuman nincompoop racists sorely tempt Him. Esau may have
> been cheated out of Isaac's birthright and blessing, but that does not
> affect his status in the eyes of God.

Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, but
hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for
jackals, Malachai 1:3
As it is written: "I loved Jacob but hated Esau.", Rom 9:13
We know that you've already seen this, too.  And now you're denying the
Word of God again.
You HATE the Word of God.

> >Not even
> >Abraham's own nephew Lot (and the descendants of his sons Moab and
> >Ammon), were included in this ***everlasting covenant***

> Lot was not an offspring of Abraham and thus was no included in the
> covenant.

> >and in fact
> >are prohibited FOREVER in Deuteronomy 23:3 from ever even entering
> >Israelite lands

> Obviously not, since they did and continue to do so.

> Or do you think that God is less than Almighty and couldn't stop them,
> if that is what He intended.

An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the
LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the
congregation of the LORD forever: Deuteronomy 23:3
We know that you've already seen this.  And now you're denying it too.
You HATE the Word of God.

> >And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy
> >seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
> >a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7

> "they seed after thee" does not have a time or generation limit, so it
> included Esau.

God would make a covenant with someone He HATES?
Can you find just one verse which says this?
I really do not believe that mamzers will ever exhibit the remotest
level of comprehension of 1Chronicles 16:17, which is exactly what this
says.

> >Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
> >Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
> >for an everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17

> Not germane. The covenant itself is everlasting.

This IS God's everlasting Covenant, which Paul refers to here:
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;
the
one from the mount Sinai, which engendereth to bondage, which is Hagar
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman
and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the
son of the freewoman.


Ishmael, Abraham's own son, was NOT heir to the everlasting covenant.
His covenant was DIFFERENT.  It was the one from mount Sinai, and the
heirs are the modern Arabs.
When Esau married Canaanite women, and gave away his heritage for a
bowl of red soup [just like you], he was cut out of the ***everlasting
covenant***:
Gen 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away
to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed
him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the
daughters of Canaan;
Gen 28:7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone
to Padanaram;
Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac
his father;
Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he
had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of
Nebajoth, to be his wife.

> >> >Just as Jesus and
> >> >Paul said, being circumcised does not make a person an Israelite.

> >> Neither Jesus nor Paul said anything of the sort. Jesus brought about
> >> a NEW covenant, one which was not limited to descendants of Abraham,
> >> and one which may not require circumcision.

> >Do you believe Jesus was God in the flesh, the exact same God who
> >said?:

> >This law will never change. I am the LORD! Leviticus 7:36

> >"a statute forever throughout their generations". Leviticus 7:36 [KJV]

> >For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
> >consumed. Malachi 3:6

> >If you believe that God commanded ALL of Abraham's descendants to be
> >circumcised "on the eighth day", then you certainlly CANNOT also claim
> >that God, in the form of Jesus, suddenly changed His mind about it?

> He didn't. But of course by that time most of the descendants of
> Abraham had lost their status as people of Israel because they had NOT
> kept the covenant.

"Most of the descendants of Abraham" were never Israelites to start
with.  The descendants of Abraham's own son Ishmael are Arabs, and you
certainly don't believe they are Israelites [do you]?
The descendants of his grandson Esau are Edomites, whom god Hated, so
you don't believe they're Israelites, do you?
The descendants of his wife Keturah are the Brahmans of India, and they
certainly don't claim to be Israelites.
Will you ever acknowledge that it is ONLY the descendants of Jacob
who're Israelites, and that it is ONLY them to whom the ***everlasting
covenant*** applies?

> >If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then certainly the son cannot
> >put assunder what His Father COMMANDED, can He?

> Actually it would seem that if Jesus is God in the flesh, the very
> same God who said the earlier words, then He could do anything He
> wants. Or was Jesus not Almighty God?

> But of course Jesus did not in fact put anything asunder, because you
> are wrong about what Jesus said.

The answer is:
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
consumed [read: destroyed]. Malachi 3:6

> >> But failure to be circumcised is an explicit violation of the covenant
> >> with Abraham (see below). That violation and others is why the
> >> Israelites as a people ceased to exist long before Christ was born.
> >> All that remained were the Jews.

> >> >Failing to be circumcised does NOT change the racial composition of an
> >> >Israelite

> >> He is no longer an Israelite. Per the statements of the Lord, he is
> >> cut off from his people. He has broken the covenant, and thus is not
> >> part of the covenant. God promises to Abraham do not apply to the
> >> descendants of someone who has broken the covenant. To say otherwise
> >> is to call God a liar in His statements below. Are you calling the
> >> Almighty God a liar, nincompoop?

> >You're adding contexts to Scripture which simply aren't there.

> Not at all. I am taking the explicit and literal words. You are the
> one who is trying to pervert the words of the Bible so as to somehow
> expiate your perversion.

You're trying to say that the ***everlasting covenant*** applies to all
of Abraham's descendants, but the Scripture says it applies ONLY to the
descendants of Jacob.
It is ONLY them who are heirs to this covenant.  Ishmael had a separate
covenant, Esau was cut out of the covenant, and the covenant with
Keturah isn't even in the Scripture.

> >God's
> >***everlasting covenant*** applies to ALL Israelites, and ONLY to
> >Israelites, "wherever you are, in all your generations".

> Once someone fails to keep the covenant and be circumcised on the 8th
> day, they are no longer an "Israelite", and thus neither are their
> descendants.

An Israelite is always an Israelite whether or not he upholds God's
Law.  Of course it's ONLY Israelites who uphold God's Law, because it's
ONLY Israelites who're under God's Law, and it's ONLY Israelites who're
heirs to the "everlasting covenant".
Why did Jesus promise the two THIEVES on the crosses next to Him
[obvious lawbreakers] that they would be in paradise "with me"?
Because they were Israelites.  Why did He NOT promise the Canaanite
woman "of great faith" that SHE would be in paradise "with me", and
instead called her a dog and reminded her that He came only for the
House of Israel?  Because she was NOT an Israelite:
He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel." Matthew 15:24

> >Whether or not an Israelite is in accord with God's Law does NOT make him a
> >non-Israelite.

> The statement of the covenant explicitly says otherwise.

What do you think "everlasting" means?  If your dog sneezes, all bets
are off?

> >This would be as stupid as saying "if you don't listen
> >to rap music, you're no longer a nigger".

> The Almighty God never made such a statement in an eternal covenant.
> But if the Almighty God had made such a statement in an eternal
> covenant, then as stupid as you may think it is, it would be true.
> Luckily the Almighty God is smarter than you.

But God DID tell us to NEVER, EVER let mamzers into the congregation of
the LORD, didn't He?  And He called that both an abomination and a
blasphemy, didn't He:
A mamzer shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his
tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD,
Deuteronomy 23:2
Yes, we ARE in violation of God's Law on that count.  Yes, we MUST get
back to God's Law, and the time is NOW:
http://jacobisrael.us/pollblacks.htm

> >A nigger is a nigger is a
> >nigger, no matter how many times they intermarry with Israelites.

> A nincompoop is a nincompoop, no matter how many time it tries to
> change the subject.

> >ONLY Israelites can sin.

> Obviously not, since Adam and Eve were not Israelites and they sinned.

And exactly when are you going to post the verse which confirms this?
Please permit me to answer the question for you:  never.
Adam and Eve did not sin, because they were not Israelites.  Eve did,
however, violate God's Law against miscegenation and God was very
angry:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between
thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise
his heel.
"seed" of course refers to the descendants of both Eve and Nasach
[which was translated as "serpent" for you Sunday schoolers.

> >Nobody else can sin because nobody else is
> >under God's ***everlasting covenant***.

> Not keeping the covenant has its own punishment:

Man.  Who would ever think you could ever say so many things wrong
before finally posting a truth?
Correct.

> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> << broken my covenant.

> The wages of sin are death. So sin is something other than breaking
> the covenant.

> >And there ARE specific punishments prescribed for Israelites who DO sin,

> The wages of sin are death. There are other specific punishments for
> specific sins, but they are not the only sins.

Well, it appeared that you were on the right track, but this proves
that you aren't.
Were the priests who married niggers punished by death?  Nope, all they
had to do was sacrifice a ram and put away the wives "and such as are
born of them":
Ezr 10:18 And among the sons of the priests there were found that had
taken foreign [nikro, Strong's 5237] wives: namely, of the sons of
Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren; Maaseiah, and Eliezer, and
Jarib, and Gedaliah.
Ezr 10:19 And they gave their hands that they would put away their
wives; and being guilty, they offered a ram of the flock for their
trespass.
Sure, there are some sins which are the death penalty.  But the vast
majority have far lesser punishments than that.

> >and one of the
> >GREATEST sins, the ONLY sin which God calls both an abomination and
> >blasphemy, is race mixing:

> The greatest sin is beings a racist nincompoop who serves Satan and
> posts lies about what God Almighty has said.

Did you know that the words "racist" and "racism" aren't even in the
entire whole Holy Bible?
Did you know that they also aren't in dictionaries printed in this
country in 1935?  Did you know that Israelites for 5,000 years never
even had such a concept?
So where do you get these words from?  Where did you get this CONCEPT
from?
What God HATES is mamzers like the offspring of Esau's Canaanite wives.

> >> <<[9] And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore,
> >> << thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
> >> <<[10] This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and
> >> << thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
> >> <<[11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall
> >> << be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
> >> <<[12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you,
> >> << every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or
> >> << bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
> >> <<[13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy
> >> << money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your
> >> << flesh for an everlasting covenant.
> >> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
> >> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> >> << broken my covenant.

> >> The ENTIRETY of the covenant from the standpoint of Abraham and his
> >> descendants was to be circumcised on the 8th day.

> >Here's the key verse with Strong's numbers so you can begin to grasp
> >what God commanded of Abraham:

> and all of his people who wanted to be included in the covenant.

But ONLY Israelites "who wanted to be included in the covenant".

> >Gen 17:23 And Abraham85 took3947 (853) Ishmael3458 his son,1121 and
> >all3605 that were born3211 in his house,1004 and all3605 that were
> >bought4736 with his money,3701 every3605 male2145 among the men376 of
> >Abraham's85 house;1004 and circumcised4135 (853) the flesh1320 of their
> >foreskin6190 in the selfsame6106, 2088 day,3117 as834 God430 had
> >said1696 unto854 him.

> >Even you may know that there's no such thing as "male among the men",
> >not even in Hebrew, and not even in Greek.

> Your knowledge of Hebrew and Greek is lacking, and in this case you
> are failing to understand English idiom.

> The English idiomatic "every X among Y" is clear. X is "male", and Y
> is "men of Abraham's house"

Show me just one example of a writer who used the phrase "male among
the men", and you probably just showed me a stupid jew like Dirshowitz
or "dr. laura" who couldn't read the Word of God if it was only one
word.

> >The KJV translators were
> >confronted with the two different and distinct PROPER NOUNS "Ish" and
> >"Zakar" in the same sentence and attempted to slough it off as "male
> >among the men".

> the word "zakar" 2145 is not defined as a proper noun and is never
> treated as a proper noun by KJV. Here are the other verses in Genesis
> where that word appears:
> <Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
> <Ge 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
> <Ge 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
> <Ge 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
> <Ge 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.
> <Ge 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.
> <Ge 17:10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
> <Ge 17:12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
> <Ge 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
> <Ge 17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.
> <Ge 34:15 But in this will we consent unto you: If ye will be as we be, that every male of you be circumcised;
> <Ge 34:22 Only herein will the men consent unto us for to dwell with us, to be one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised.
> <Ge 34:24 And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.
> <Ge 34:25 And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.

> And it is quite clear that the word is consistently translated as
> "male".

> 376 'enowsh (not "Ish") is likewise not a proper noun

You need to look at the Strong's numbers:
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 1:27 So God430 created1254 (853) man120 in his own image,6754
in the image6754 of God430 created1254 he him; male2145 and female5347
created1254 he them.
So God created Adam in his own image, in the image of God created he
him; zakar and neqebah created he them.
Gen 7:3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to
keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
the male2145 and the female;5347
Gen 7:9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and
the female, as God had commanded Noah.
the male2145 and the female;5347
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast [behemah] thou shalt take to thee by
sevens, the male [Ish] and his female [Isha]: and of beasts that are
not clean by two, the male and his female.
Genesis 7:2 Of every4480, 3605 clean2889 behemah929 thou shalt take3947
to thee by sevens,7651, 7651 the male376 and his female:802 and of4480
behemah929 that834 are not3808 clean2889 by two,8147 the male376 and
his female.802
Male behemah were called "ish", but male Adamites were called "zakar".

> >Israelite men are NOT "Ish", and they are NOT "zakar".

> They had better be "zakar", or they are lacking anything to
> circumcise.

> >At the time Abraham did this, there were no Israelites, because they were
> >descendants of his grandson Jacob who wasn't even born yet.

> Duh.

> But since anyone who failed to keep the covenant was "cut off from his
> people", then once there were Israelites, a failure to keep the
> covenant cut them off from being Israelites.

God cut the entire House of Israel OFF because they weren't upholding
His Law.  Even though the House of Judah had sinned even more, God
didn't cut them off.  But the House of Israel were STILL called
Israelites.  And God later on brought them back again to His Law.  Do
you know when that was?
The ONLY sin which might possibly make you a non-Israelite is mixing
the Holy Seed, as in telegony, which is what Bethsheba may have been
guilty of.  But even there, she went on to marry David and have
Israelite children, so her descendants were Israelites.
There's no other sin which can make an Israelite a non-Israelite.  Even
an Israelite who hates God is still an Israelite.  In a just Israelite
society, he wouldn't be alive very long, but he would be an Isralite
until the instant he died.

> >> >any more than eating lobster on Wednesday does. It IS a
> >> >violation of God's Law, but God PROMISED the Israelites that they were
> >> >His holy people regardless.

> >> Those who were not circumcised, and their descendants were not
> >> Israelites. God made a new and different promise to them.

> >Right.

> >And why did you so conveniently "forget" to post the verse which says
> >that Israelites who break the covenant are given a "different promise"
> >than those who keep it?

> There are no Israelites who break the covenant, because once they
> break the covenant, they (and therefore their descendants) are not
> Israelites. They are just people (unless they choose to become
> subhuman racist slime).

So you believe that God LIED when He claimed that He would make an
"everlasting covenant"?

> >BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST.

> Wrong.

Chapter and verse, lobmamzer.  Which verse says that an Israelite who
breaks God's Law is no longer an Israelite?

> Luke 24:
> <[46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
> < Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
> <[47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in
> < his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> <[48] And ye are witnesses of these things.
> <[49] And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> < ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on
> < high.

> Acts 2:
> <[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of
> < you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye
> < shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
> <[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> < that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> The new covenant of repentance and remission of sins was made to
> everyone that God should call. That would include those who are
> descended from the uncircumcised.

The POINT is that there are circumcised and uncircumcised ISRAELITES.
Why would you trust something that you THINK Luke or Paul wrote, more
than you would trust something that you KNOW God and Jesus SAID?:
He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of
Israel." Matthew 15:24
"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into
the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye
not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye
go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 10:5-9
Neither Paul nor Luke had the AUTHORITY  to just toss out God's Law,
nor ignore what Jesus COMMANDED.  God and Jesus didn't "make a
mistake", "change their minds", "LIE", or just "tell half a truth" as
you imply.
Not even Jesus had the authority [nor will nor desire] to simply toss
open the door to let all manner of jews, niggers, and other mamzers
into the ***everlasting covenant**** God made EXCLUSIVELY with Jacob,
who is the only person in the entire Holy Bible He refers to as "my
firstborn":
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son,
even my firstborn: Exo 4:22

> >> >Even so, it's ISRAELITES, and not jews, who ARE circumcised.

> >> Jews are circumcised, whether you wish to believe it or not. Very few
> >> people other than Jews are circumcised, and most that are, aren't
> >> circumcised on the 8th day as commanded. Practicing Jews, on the
> >> other hand, do keep that commandment.

> >Not a single jew in the world "practices" God's Law,

> You haven't a clue.

Come back after you've read the Talmud, then you'll have plenty of
clues.

> >because jews are not under God's Law.

> We are all under God's Law, for He is Almighty.

You HATE God's Law, lobmamzer:
Psa 139:21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I
grieved with those that rise up against thee?
Psa 139:22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

> >Instead, jews are under the Talmud,

> The Talmud consists of the entirety of the Torah, and commentaries
> about what it means, nincompoop.

> >Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye
> >have delivered: and many such like things do ye. Mark 7:13

> >The "command of God" and the "word of God" are the Torah. The exact
> >opposite of the Torah is the Talmud,

> Since the entirety of the Torah is in the Talmud, you lack sense.

If you ever figure out the difference between a jew and an Israelite,
which seems unlikely, you just might figure out the difference between
the Talmud and the Torah.  They are EXACT opposites, just as Jesus
said.

> >> >It's mostly judeochristians

> >> There is no such thing.

> >judeochristians

> There is no such thing.

> >You don't call a jew "of your father the devil" unless you HATE him.

> Matthew 5
> <[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
> < do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully
> < use you, and persecute you;
> <[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
> < for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and
> < sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
> <[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not
> < even the publicans the same?
> <[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
> < do not even the publicans so?
> <[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven
> < is perfect.

> If Jesus commands people to love thy enemies and thus to be perfect
> even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect, then He is also
> saying that God does indeed love His enemies.

Jesus is talking about fellow ISRAELITES, not jew, not mamzers, and not
niggers.

> >And if Jesus was God in the flesh, then He certainly isn't going to
> >change His mind about HATING Esau, is He?

> Are you denying that the Almighty God has not the power to change His
> mind?

WHAT!
This law will never change. I am the LORD! Leviticus 7:36 [CEV]
For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
consumed [read: destroyed]. Malachi 3:6
OF COURSE I'M DENYING THAT!

> >> Paul didn't attempt such a thing, nincompoop. The convenant based on
> >> circumcision did not apply to those who were not descended from
> >> Abraham, and hence they had no requirement to be circumcised.

> >Correct. And 3,000 years before Paul went to Greece to spread the
> >gospel, the life-sized statue of Athena, who looks exactly like many
> >"White" Americans today, was placed on a stage. It was just found last
> >week in a 5,000 year old Greek city

> Irrelevant.

Ah, so you liked the pictures of the statue of Athena from 5000 years
ago, who looks EXACTLY like many White Americans [and Norwegians]
today, eh?
Of course all you can say is "irrelevant".
Athena was no hairy eared, hook nosed jew, eh?

> >Had Paul looked like Alan Dirshowitz or Alan Greenspan, such Greeks
> >would have made shishkabob out of him.

> No one knows what Paul looked like. But since he was a Jew of Tarsus,
> he probably looked like other Jews of Tarsus.

1Co 9:20 "And I became as a Jew to the Jews, that I might gain Jews; to
those under Law as under Law, that I might gain those under Law"

> >But Paul was an Israelite who looked just like these original Greeks.

> Paul was a Jew of Tarsus, and not a Greek. He was not an "Israelite"

Rom 11:1 I say then, Did not God thrust away His people? Let it not be!
For I also am an Israelite, out of Abraham's seed, of the tribe of
Benjamin.

> >> > But Paul also knew that Israelites who weren't circumcised

> >> There are no such things. Since as you insist Paul could not change
> >> God's Law, then God's Law still holds, and a descendant of Israel who
> >> is not circumcised on the 8th day shall be cut off from his people, at
> >> which point he is not longer an Israelite.

> >Yeah, sure. And if you get a traffic ticket in Europe, you're no
> >longer a "German".

> There is no law that says that a German who gets a traffic ticket is
> no longer a German. If there was such a law, then it would apply.

> >Instead, God has a set of different "promises" for you, eh?

> God has the same promises to me as to most other human beings.

For you [Israelites] are a holy people to Jehovah your God; and Jehovah
has chosen you to be a people to Him, a special treasure out of all the
peoples who are on the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 14:2

You are of the "all the peoples who are on the face of  the earth", not
an Israelite.

> >Tell us, lobmamzer--are these "promises" better than, "equal to", or
> >less than, the ***everlasting covenant*** which God made with Abraham
> >through Jacob?

> They are *different* than.

Precisely.

> >> >were STILL Israelites even though they were not in
> >> >accord with God's Law.

> >> Nonsense pulled out of your strange orifice.

> >Are you also no longer an Israelite if you eat shrimp?

> I'm not an Israelite, nor is any other person alive today. It is a
> violation of God's commandments to do so.

> The covenant with Abraham says that someone who is not circumcised has
> violated the covenant and is cut off from his people.

Then why did Paul and Jesus go to the uncircumcised Israelites?

> >Or if you
> >permit mamzers, Moabites, and Ammonites into the congregation of the
> >LORD?

> We are all mongrels.

We all know you are.

> >Or if you fail to send the mamzers back to Liberia where they
> >belong

> There is nothing about Liberia in the Bible.

But there is the following in our history books:
Before Lincoln was shot by a Rothschild emmisary he established a
territory in Africa, which was called Liberia, that was set aside for
the ex-patriation of the black race that was then residing in America.
"Go where you are treated the best, and the ban is still upon you. I
cannot alter it if I would. See your present condition, the Country
engaged in war, our white men cutting one another's throats, and then
consider what we know to be the truth - But for your race among us
there would be no war, although many men engaged on either side do not
care for you one way or another. It is better for us both therefore to
be separated."

> >HINT: the quicker we get back to God's Law, the less likely it is that
> >we'll be "consumed" as promised in Malachai 3:6.

> You haven't a clue what God's Law is.

At least I don't HATE God's Law like you do!

> >> >A pure genetic descendant of Jacob IS an Israelite,

> >> There is no such person (since it would have required his sons to
> >> commit incest), and if there were, they still would not be an
> >> Israelite if they had been cut off from their people for failure to be
> >> circumcised on the 8th day.

> >So when Moses identified 603,350 Israelite men by pedigree, family, and
> >tribe in his census in Sinai, Moses was actually counting mamzers?

> One never knows what Moses was counting, but there weren't 603,000
> people in the desert.

Num 1:46 yea, all those numbered are six hundred thousand, and three
thousand, and five hundred and fifty.
Num 1:47 And the Levites, for the tribe of their fathers, have not
numbered themselves in their midst,
The 603,350 didn't include the Levites, women, males under 20 years of
age, nor those who were not able-bodied.

> >Why did Moses call them Israelites,

> If I ever see Moses, I might ask him. But I doubt it.

> lojbab

Exo 9:7 And Pharaoh sent, and, behold, there was not one of the cattle
of the Israelites dead. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, and he
did not let the people go.
You don't "doubt" Scripture.  You HATE the Word of God.
John Knight

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> (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> "jacobisrael" <jacob1srae1ite@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> >> >> The covenant with Abraham was for all the descendants of Abraham, and
> >> >> not just the Israelites.
> >> >
> >> >But the ***everlasting covenant*** was ONLY with the descendants of
> >> >Abraham through Jacob.
> >>
> >> The Bible does not say that. If it is an "everlasting" covenant, then
> >> it lasts forever, which means it has to be kept by all the
> >> descendants.
> >And I repeat:
> >And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy
> >seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
> >a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7
> >Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
> >Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
> >for an everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17
>
> You can repeat it all you want. The first verse says that the
> covenant is made with Abraham's seed. It does not say "some of"; it
> does not say "only those through Isaac and Jacob". The second verse
> does not change this fact.
>
> And in any event it does not change the words of the covenant itself,
> which cuts off anyone not circumcised on the 8th day from being
> considered of the people of Abraham (or of Israel).
>
> >We know that you've already seen this. And now you're denying it.
>
> Not at all. I am saying that your misinterpretation is self-serving
> and as full of shit as the rest of your nincompoop brain-substitute.
>
> >You HATE the Word of God.
>
> Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,
>
> >> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
> >> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> >> << broken my covenant.
> >>
> >> >Not even Jacob's own twin brother Esau, whom
> >> >God HATES, was included in this ***everlasting covenant***.
> >>
> >> The Bible does not say that, nor does God "hate" anyone, though I am
> >> sure you subhuman nincompoop racists sorely tempt Him. Esau may have
> >> been cheated out of Isaac's birthright and blessing, but that does not
> >> affect his status in the eyes of God.
> >>
> >Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, but
> >hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for
> >jackals, Malachai 1:3
>
> Obviously figurative, since the area was desert wasteland before Esau
> got there.
>
> But it does not say that Esau was not covered by the covenant. And
> even if the Lord *had* done that to Esau, he did worse to Job, but
> still expected Job to remain true.
>
> >As it is written: "I loved Jacob but hated Esau.", Rom 9:13
> >We know that you've already seen this, too. And now you're denying the
> >Word of God again.
>
> Not at all. I am saying that your misinterpretation is self-serving
> and as full of shit as the rest of your nincompoop brain-substitute.
>
> >You HATE the Word of God.
>
> Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,
>
> >> >and in fact
> >> >are prohibited FOREVER in Deuteronomy 23:3 from ever even entering
> >> >Israelite lands
> >>
> >> Obviously not, since they did and continue to do so.
> >>
> >> Or do you think that God is less than Almighty and couldn't stop them,
> >> if that is what He intended.
> >>
> >An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the
> >LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the
> >congregation of the LORD forever: Deuteronomy 23:3
>
> Not relevant to whether they are covered by God's covenant with
> Abraham, which SOLELY depends on whether they were circumcised on the
> 8th day. Now perhaps by then, all of the Ammonites and Moabites HAD
> been cut off by failure to be circumcised, but the verse does not
> state this.
>
> >We know that you've already seen this. And now you're denying it too.
>
> Not at all. I am saying that your misinterpretation is self-serving
> and as full of shit as the rest of your nincompoop brain-substitute.
>
> >You HATE the Word of God.
>
> Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,
>
> >> >And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy
> >> >seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
> >> >a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7
> >>
> >> "they seed after thee" does not have a time or generation limit, so it
> >> included Esau.
> >>
> >God would make a covenant with someone He HATES?
>
> He made the covenant with Abraham, and said that He would, and unless
> you claim that God lied to Abraham, He must have indeed done so.
>
> >Can you find just one verse which says this?
>
> <And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy
> <seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
> <a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7
>
> No exceptions are stated for "hated" people.
>
> >I really do not believe that mamzers will ever exhibit the remotest
> >level of comprehension of 1Chronicles 16:17, which is exactly what this
> >says.
>
> You have yet to show the remotest level of comprehension of the
> English language, and your Hebrew is utterly laughable.
>
> >> >Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
> >> >Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
> >> >for an everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17
> >>
> >> Not germane. The covenant itself is everlasting.
> >>
> >This IS God's everlasting Covenant, which Paul refers to here:
> >Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;
> >the one from the mount Sinai, which engendereth to bondage, which is Hagar
> >Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman
> >and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the
> >son of the freewoman.
>
> The Word of Paul is utterly irrelevant to the Word of God. Sadly you
> seem to confuse the two.
>
> >Ishmael, Abraham's own son, was NOT heir to the everlasting covenant.
>
> The Bible does not say that the covenant is "inherited". The covenant
> was made with Abraham and his seed. "Heir" refers to the transfer of
> property upon death and someone's heir might be other than one's seed.
>
> >His covenant was DIFFERENT.
>
> Ishmael was of the seed of Abraham, and thus if he was circumcised on
> the 8th day, he was covered by the covenant with Abraham.
>
> >It was the one from mount Sinai, and the heirs are the modern Arabs.
>
> Pure folklore, since genetic descent from Abraham is unprovable.
>
> >When Esau married Canaanite women, and gave away his heritage for a
> >bowl of red soup [just like you], he was cut out of the ***everlasting
> >covenant***:
> >Gen 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away
> >to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed
> >him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the
> >daughters of Canaan;
> >Gen 28:7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone
> >to Padanaram;
> >Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac
> >his father;
> >Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he
> >had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of
> >Nebajoth, to be his wife.
>
> There was nothing about being cut off from the covenant with Abraham
> in that passage.
>
> >> >This law will never change. I am the LORD! Leviticus 7:36
> >> >
> >> >"a statute forever throughout their generations". Leviticus 7:36 [KJV]
> >> >
> >> >For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
> >> >consumed. Malachi 3:6
> >> >
> >> >If you believe that God commanded ALL of Abraham's descendants to be
> >> >circumcised "on the eighth day", then you certainlly CANNOT also claim
> >> >that God, in the form of Jesus, suddenly changed His mind about it?
> >>
> >> He didn't. But of course by that time most of the descendants of
> >> Abraham had lost their status as people of Israel because they had NOT
> >> kept the covenant.
> >>
> >"Most of the descendants of Abraham" were never Israelites to start
> >with.
>
> So what? Those who were Israelites to start with, if their kids were
> not circumcised on the 8th day, then they were no longer Israelites.
> There is no evidence that a single unbroken line of 8th day
> circumcision remains; only God knows if one exists. But in all
> likelihood if there is one then it is among the Jews.
>
> >The descendants of Abraham's own son Ishmael are Arabs, and you
> >certainly don't believe they are Israelites [do you]?
>
> I believe that they are covered by the covenant with Abraham, and I
> believe that no one is an "Israelite" today.
>
> >The descendants of his grandson Esau are Edomites,
>
> Speculation. But there are no Edomites remaining in order to tell.
>
> >whom god Hated, so
> >you don't believe they're Israelites, do you?
> >The descendants of his wife Keturah are the Brahmans of India,
>
> Utter nonsense.
>
> >and they certainly don't claim to be Israelites.
>
> There are no Israelites.
>
> >Will you ever acknowledge that it is ONLY the descendants of Jacob
> >who're Israelites,
>
> Only those who kept the covenant and were circumcised on the 8th day.
>
> >and that it is ONLY them to whom the ***everlasting covenant*** applies?
>
> That is not what the covenant itself says. Are you calling the Lord
> God a liar?
>
>
> >> >If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then certainly the son cannot
> >> >put assunder what His Father COMMANDED, can He?
> >>
> >> Actually it would seem that if Jesus is God in the flesh, the very
> >> same God who said the earlier words, then He could do anything He
> >> wants. Or was Jesus not Almighty God?
> >>
> >> But of course Jesus did not in fact put anything asunder, because you
> >> are wrong about what Jesus said.
> >>
> >The answer is:
> >For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
> >consumed [read: destroyed]
>
> You haven't a clue how to "read". And that remains irrelevant.
>
> >> >> He is no longer an Israelite. Per the statements of the Lord, he is
> >> >> cut off from his people. He has broken the covenant, and thus is not
> >> >> part of the covenant. God promises to Abraham do not apply to the
> >> >> descendants of someone who has broken the covenant. To say otherwise
> >> >> is to call God a liar in His statements below. Are you calling the
> >> >> Almighty God a liar, nincompoop?
> >> >
> >> >You're adding contexts to Scripture which simply aren't there.
> >>
> >> Not at all. I am taking the explicit and literal words. You are the
> >> one who is trying to pervert the words of the Bible so as to somehow
> >> expiate your perversion.
> >>
> >You're trying to say that the ***everlasting covenant*** applies to all
> >of Abraham's descendants,
>
> Only those who were circumcised on the 8th day and their descendants
> who were similarly circumcised.
>
> >but the Scripture says it applies ONLY to the descendants of Jacob.
>
> The Scriptures say no such thing.
>
> That is your misinterpretation, which is self-serving and as full of
> shit as the rest of your nincompoop brain-substitute.
>
> >It is ONLY them who are heirs to this covenant. Ishmael had a separate
> >covenant, Esau was cut out of the covenant, and the covenant with
> >Keturah isn't even in the Scripture.
>
> Absolute nonsense.
>
> >> >God's
> >> >***everlasting covenant*** applies to ALL Israelites, and ONLY to
> >> >Israelites, "wherever you are, in all your generations".
> >>
> >> Once someone fails to keep the covenant and be circumcised on the 8th
> >> day, they are no longer an "Israelite", and thus neither are their
> >> descendants.
> >>
> >An Israelite is always an Israelite whether or not he upholds God's
> >Law.
>
> >> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
> >> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> >> << broken my covenant.
>
> You lose, loser.
>
> >Of course it's ONLY Israelites who uphold God's Law,
>
> There are no Israelites.
>
> >> >Whether or not an Israelite is in accord with God's Law does NOT make him a
> >> >non-Israelite.
> >>
> >> The statement of the covenant explicitly says otherwise.
> >>
> >What do you think "everlasting" means? If your dog sneezes, all bets
> >are off?
>
> If the Almighty God says so, then indeed so. God stated the
> conditions of the covenant.
>
> >> >This would be as stupid as saying "if you don't listen
> >> >to rap music, you're no longer a nigger".
> >>
> >> The Almighty God never made such a statement in an eternal covenant.
> >> But if the Almighty God had made such a statement in an eternal
> >> covenant, then as stupid as you may think it is, it would be true.
> >> Luckily the Almighty God is smarter than you.
> >>
> >But God DID tell us to NEVER, EVER let mamzers into the congregation of
> >the LORD, didn't He?
>
> Not relevant to the covenant with Abraham, which did not refer to any
> congregation.
>
> >> >ONLY Israelites can sin.
> >>
> >> Obviously not, since Adam and Eve were not Israelites and they sinned.
> >>
> >And exactly when are you going to post the verse which confirms this?
>
> 4 Ezra 7:
> [48] O thou Adam, what hast thou done? for though it was thou that
> sinned, thou art not fallen alone, but we all that come of thee.
> or if that is not canonical enough for you
> Romans 5:
> [12] Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by
> sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
> [13] (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed
> when there is no law.
> [14] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them
> that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who
> is the figure of him that was to come.
> ...
> 19] For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the
> obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
> [20] Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But
> where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
> [21] That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign
> through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
>
>
> >Please permit me to answer the question for you: never.
>
> Wrong.
>
> >Adam and Eve did not sin, because they were not Israelites. Eve did,
> >however, violate God's Law
>
> Then she sinned.
>
>
> >> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
> >> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> >> << broken my covenant.
> >>
> >> The wages of sin are death. So sin is something other than breaking
> >> the covenant.
> >>
> >> >And there ARE specific punishments prescribed for Israelites who DO sin,
> >>
> >> The wages of sin are death. There are other specific punishments for
> >> specific sins, but they are not the only sins.
> >>
> >Well, it appeared that you were on the right track, but this proves
> >that you aren't.
> >Were the priests who married niggers punished by death?
>
> The wages of sin are death. Are you denying the words of the Bible,
> you liar and hypocrite?
>
> >Sure, there are some sins which are the death penalty.
>
> The "death penalty" has nothing to do with the statement "the wages of
> sin are death".
>
> >> >and one of the
> >> >GREATEST sins, the ONLY sin which God calls both an abomination and
> >> >blasphemy, is race mixing:
> >>
> >> The greatest sin is beings a racist nincompoop who serves Satan and
> >> posts lies about what God Almighty has said.
> >>
> >Did you know that the words "racist" and "racism" aren't even in the
> >entire whole Holy Bible?
>
> Nor is the word "race", nor indeed any other English word, since the
> Bible was not written in English.
>
> >Did you know that Israelites for 5,000 years never
> >even had such a concept?
>
> There were no Israelites for 5000 years.
>
> >So where do you get these words from?
>
> The English language, where they describe subhuman slime like
> yourself.
>
> >> >> The ENTIRETY of the covenant from the standpoint of Abraham and his
> >> >> descendants was to be circumcised on the 8th day.
> >> >
> >> >Here's the key verse with Strong's numbers so you can begin to grasp
> >> >what God commanded of Abraham:
> >>
> >> and all of his people who wanted to be included in the covenant.
> >>
> >But ONLY Israelites "who wanted to be included in the covenant".
>
> Since people cannot choose whether to be circumcised on the 8th day,
> infants being unable to articulate their wishes at that point beyond a
> loud cry, it was most often the choice of their parents.
>
> >> >Gen 17:23 And Abraham85 took3947 (853) Ishmael3458 his son,1121 and
> >> >all3605 that were born3211 in his house,1004 and all3605 that were
> >> >bought4736 with his money,3701 every3605 male2145 among the men376 of
> >> >Abraham's85 house;1004 and circumcised4135 (853) the flesh1320 of their
> >> >foreskin6190 in the selfsame6106, 2088 day,3117 as834 God430 had
> >> >said1696 unto854 him.
> >> >
> >> >Even you may know that there's no such thing as "male among the men",
> >> >not even in Hebrew, and not even in Greek.
> >>
> >> Your knowledge of Hebrew and Greek is lacking, and in this case you
> >> are failing to understand English idiom.
> >>
> >> The English idiomatic "every X among Y" is clear. X is "male", and Y
> >> is "men of Abraham's house"
> >>
> >Show me just one example of a writer who used the phrase "male among
> >the men",
>
> Since you omitted three words of the phrase, it is no wonder that you
> do not understand it.
>
> >> >The KJV translators were
> >> >confronted with the two different and distinct PROPER NOUNS "Ish" and
> >> >"Zakar" in the same sentence and attempted to slough it off as "male
> >> >among the men".
>
> The word Ish does not appear in that verse:
>
> >And Abraham [085] 'Abraham
> >took [03947] laqach
> >Ishmael [03458] Yishma`e'l
> >his son, [01121] ben
> >and all that were born [03211] yaliyd
> >in his house, [01004] bayith
> >and all that were bought [04736] miqnah
> >with his money, [03701] keceph
> >every male [02145] zakar
> >among the men [0582] 'enowsh
> >of Abraham's [085] 'Abraham
> >house; [01004] bayith
> >and circumcised [04135] muwl
> >the flesh [01320] basar
> >of their foreskin [06190] `orlah
> >in the selfsame [06106] `etsem
> >day, [03117] yowm
> >as God [0430] 'elohiym
> >had said [01696] dabar
> >unto him.
>
>
> >You need to look at the Strong's numbers:
>
> I looked at Strong's. See above, which even has the transliterated
> Hebrew.
> http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/c/1129742901-6262.html#23
> if you want to see the Hebrew letters for yourself.
>
> >> >Israelite men are NOT "Ish", and they are NOT "zakar".
> >>
> >> They had better be "zakar", or they are lacking anything to
> >> circumcise.
> >>
> >> >At the time Abraham did this, there were no Israelites, because they were
> >> >descendants of his grandson Jacob who wasn't even born yet.
> >>
> >> Duh.
> >>
> >> But since anyone who failed to keep the covenant was "cut off from his
> >> people", then once there were Israelites, a failure to keep the
> >> covenant cut them off from being Israelites.
> >>
> >God cut the entire House of Israel OFF because they weren't upholding
> >His Law.
>
> Having "cut them off", there was no more House of Israel. That is
> what "cut off" means.
>
> >Even though the House of Judah had sinned even more, God
> >didn't cut them off. But the House of Israel were STILL called
> >Israelites. And God later on brought them back again to His Law.
>
> They did not come back to His law, because they were dispersed and no
> longer had any identity as a people called "Israelites". Sometimes
> the House of Judah that returned from captivity was referred to as
> "Israel" because it also included a small number of Benjaminites as
> well as Levites of the priesthood, and it indeed assumed the name
> "Israel" for a brief time under the Maccabees.
>
> >The ONLY sin which might possibly make you a non-Israelite
>
> Being "cut off" means that you are a non-Israelite. The entire House
> of Israel was "cut off".
>
> >There's no other sin which can make an Israelite a non-Israelite. Even
> >an Israelite who hates God is still an Israelite.
>
> But there are no Israelites, because the House of Israel was "cut
> off".
>
> >> >And why did you so conveniently "forget" to post the verse which says
> >> >that Israelites who break the covenant are given a "different promise"
> >> >than those who keep it?
> >>
> >> There are no Israelites who break the covenant, because once they
> >> break the covenant, they (and therefore their descendants) are not
> >> Israelites. They are just people (unless they choose to become
> >> subhuman racist slime).
> >>
> >So you believe that God LIED when He claimed that He would make an
> >"everlasting covenant"?
>
> The everlasting covenant still remains in force, but only God knows
> whether there are still any seed of Abraham still alive that were not
> cut off for some ancestor having failed to honor that everlasting
> covenant.
>
> The Jews believe that it is possible to adopt someone into the people
> of Israel, and so bring them under the covenant through conversion,
> but the Orthodox especially do not make such conversion very easy.
>
> >> >BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST.
> >>
> >> Wrong.
> >>
> >Chapter and verse, lobmamzer. Which verse says that an Israelite who
> >breaks God's Law is no longer an Israelite?
>
> I said nothing about breaking God's Law. Breaking the covenant is
> another matter entirely.
>
> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
> << broken my covenant.
>
> And as you quoted above, the House of Israel as a whole was "cut off".
> Not for violating God's Law, but for failing to keep the covenant that
> God made
>
> >> The new covenant of repentance and remission of sins was made to
> >> everyone that God should call. That would include those who are
> >> descended from the uncircumcised.
> >The POINT is that there are circumcised and uncircumcised ISRAELITES.
>
> No there are not.
>
> >Why would you trust something that you THINK Luke or Paul wrote, more
> >than you would trust something that you KNOW God and Jesus SAID?:
> >He said in reply, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of
> >Israel." Matthew 15:24
>
> And then *later*, He commanded his disciples differently:
> Luke 24:
> <[46] And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved
> < Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
> <[47] And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in
> < his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
> >"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into
> >the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye
> >not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye
> >go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 10:5-9
>
> And then later he said something different (see above)
>
> >Neither Paul nor Luke had the AUTHORITY to just toss out God's Law,
> >nor ignore what Jesus COMMANDED. God and Jesus didn't "make a
> >mistake", "change their minds", "LIE", or just "tell half a truth" as
> >you imply.
>
> I "imply" nothing. I quote the words of the Lord, commanding
> otherwise.
>
> Matthew 28:
> <[18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
> <[19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
> < name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
> <[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
> <and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
>
>
> >Not even Jesus had the authority
>
> If Jesus is the Almighty God, then who are YOU to deny that He has
> whatever authority He wants.
>
> >[nor will nor desire] to simply toss
> >open the door to let all manner of jews, niggers, and other mamzers
> >into the ***everlasting covenant**** God made EXCLUSIVELY with Jacob,
> >who is the only person in the entire Holy Bible He refers to as "my
> >firstborn":
> >And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son,
> >even my firstborn: Exo 4:22
>
> The Almighty God can do anything HE wants.
>
> >> >> >Even so, it's ISRAELITES, and not jews, who ARE circumcised.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jews are circumcised, whether you wish to believe it or not. Very few
> >> >> people other than Jews are circumcised, and most that are, aren't
> >> >> circumcised on the 8th day as commanded. Practicing Jews, on the
> >> >> other hand, do keep that commandment.
> >> >
> >> >Not a single jew in the world "practices" God's Law,
> >>
> >> You haven't a clue.
> >>
> >Come back after you've read the Talmud, then you'll have plenty of
> >clues.
>
> I've read more of it than you have.
>
> >> >because jews are not under God's Law.
> >>
> >> We are all under God's Law, for He is Almighty.
> >>
> >You HATE God's Law, lobmamzer:
>
> Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,
>
> >> >The "command of God" and the "word of God" are the Torah. The exact
> >> >opposite of the Torah is the Talmud,
> >>
> >> Since the entirety of the Torah is in the Talmud, you lack sense.
> >>
> >If you ever figure out the difference between a jew and an Israelite,
>
> I have, There still exist Jews. There are no Israelites any more.
>
> >which seems unlikely, you just might figure out the difference between
> >the Talmud and the Torah. They are EXACT opposites,
>
> No.
>
> >just as Jesus said.
>
> Jesus said no such thing, since the Talmud had not yet been written.
>
> >> There is no such thing.
> >>
> >> >You don't call a jew "of your father the devil" unless you HATE him.
> >>
> >> Matthew 5
> >> <[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
> >> < do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully
> >> < use you, and persecute you;
> >> <[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven:
> >> < for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and
> >> < sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
> >> <[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not
> >> < even the publicans the same?
> >> <[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others?
> >> < do not even the publicans so?
> >> <[48] Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven
> >> < is perfect.
> >>
> >> If Jesus commands people to love thy enemies and thus to be perfect
> >> even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect, then He is also
> >> saying that God does indeed love His enemies.
> >>
> >Jesus is talking about fellow ISRAELITES, not jew, not mamzers, and not
> >niggers.
>
> Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,
>
> >> >And if Jesus was God in the flesh, then He certainly isn't going to
> >> >change His mind about HATING Esau, is He?
> >>
> >> Are you denying that the Almighty God has not the power to change His
> >> mind?
> >WHAT!
> >This law will never change. I am the LORD! Leviticus 7:36 [CEV]
> >For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not
> >consumed [read: destroyed]. Malachi 3:6
> >
> >OF COURSE I'M DENYING THAT!
>
> So you do not believe that the Almighty God is in fact "Almighty",
> because you have defined something that you claim He cannot do.
>
> Laughable.
>
> >> >> Paul didn't attempt such a thing, nincompoop. The convenant based on
> >> >> circumcision did not apply to those who were not descended from
> >> >> Abraham, and hence they had no requirement to be circumcised.
> >> >
> >> >Correct. And 3,000 years before Paul went to Greece to spread the
> >> >gospel, the life-sized statue of Athena, who looks exactly like many
> >> >"White" Americans today, was placed on a stage. It was just found last
> >> >week in a 5,000 year old Greek city
> >>
> >> Irrelevant.
> >>
> >Ah, so you liked the pictures of the statue of Athena from 5000 years
> >ago, who looks EXACTLY like many White Americans [and Norwegians]
> >today, eh?
>
> I don't look at any pictures, which would be utterly irrelevant.
>
> >Of course all you can say is "irrelevant".
> >Athena was no hairy eared, hook nosed jew, eh?
>
> Nor are all Jews. Some of them look like Norwegians. Indeed some of
> them ARE Norwegians.
>
> >> >But Paul was an Israelite who looked just like these original Greeks.
> >>
> >> Paul was a Jew of Tarsus, and not a Greek. He was not an "Israelite"
> >>
> >Rom 11:1 I say then, Did not God thrust away His people? Let it not be!
> >For I also am an Israelite, out of Abraham's seed, of the tribe of
> >Benjamin.
>
> A few of the tribe of Benjamin was counted among the Jews after the
> return from the captivity.
>
> >> >Instead, God has a set of different "promises" for you, eh?
> >>
> >> God has the same promises to me as to most other human beings.
> >>
> >For you [Israelites] are a holy people to Jehovah your God; and Jehovah
> >has chosen you to be a people to Him, a special treasure out of all the
> >peoples who are on the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 14:2
> >
> >You are of the "all the peoples who are on the face of the earth", not
> >an Israelite.
>
> No one is an Israelite.
>
> >> The covenant with Abraham says that someone who is not circumcised has
> >> violated the covenant and is cut off from his people.
> >>
> >Then why did Paul and Jesus go to the uncircumcised Israelites?
>
> There were no uncircumcized Israelites, by definition.
>
> >> You haven't a clue what God's Law is.
> >>
> >At least I don't HATE God's Law like you do!
>
> Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,
>
> >You don't "doubt" Scripture. You HATE the Word of God.
>
> Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,
>
> lojbab
> --
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> Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
> (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
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"jacobisrael" <jacob1srae1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bob LeChevalier wrote:
>> >> The covenant with Abraham was for all the descendants of Abraham, and
>> >> not just the Israelites.

>> >But the ***everlasting covenant*** was ONLY with the descendants of
>> >Abraham through Jacob.

>> The Bible does not say that. If it is an "everlasting" covenant, then
>> it lasts forever, which means it has to be kept by all the
>> descendants.
>And I repeat:
>And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy
>seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
>a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7
>Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
>Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
>for an everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17

You can repeat it all you want.  The first verse says that the
covenant is made with Abraham's seed.  It does not say "some of"; it
does not say "only those through Isaac and Jacob".  The second verse
does not change this fact.

And in any event it does not change the words of the covenant itself,
which cuts off anyone not circumcised on the 8th day from being
considered of the people of Abraham (or of Israel).

>We know that you've already seen this.  And now you're denying it.

Not at all.  I am saying that your misinterpretation is self-serving
and as full of shit as the rest of your nincompoop brain-substitute.

>You HATE the Word of God.

Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,

>> <<[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is
>> << not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath
>> << broken my covenant.

>> >Not even Jacob's own twin brother Esau, whom
>> >God HATES, was included in this ***everlasting covenant***.

>> The Bible does not say that, nor does God "hate" anyone, though I am
>> sure you subhuman nincompoop racists sorely tempt Him. Esau may have
>> been cheated out of Isaac's birthright and blessing, but that does not
>> affect his status in the eyes of God.

>Was not Esau Jacob's brother? says the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, but
>hated Esau; I made his mountains a waste, his heritage a desert for
>jackals, Malachai 1:3

Obviously figurative, since the area was desert wasteland before Esau
got there.

But it does not say that Esau was not covered by the covenant.  And
even if the Lord *had* done that to Esau, he did worse to Job, but
still expected Job to remain true.

>As it is written: "I loved Jacob but hated Esau.", Rom 9:13
>We know that you've already seen this, too.  And now you're denying the
>Word of God again.

Not at all.  I am saying that your misinterpretation is self-serving
and as full of shit as the rest of your nincompoop brain-substitute.

>You HATE the Word of God.

Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,

>> >and in fact
>> >are prohibited FOREVER in Deuteronomy 23:3 from ever even entering
>> >Israelite lands

>> Obviously not, since they did and continue to do so.

>> Or do you think that God is less than Almighty and couldn't stop them,
>> if that is what He intended.

>An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the
>LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the
>congregation of the LORD forever: Deuteronomy 23:3

Not relevant to whether they are covered by God's covenant with
Abraham, which SOLELY depends on whether they were circumcised on the
8th day.  Now perhaps by then, all of the Ammonites and Moabites HAD
been cut off by failure to be circumcised, but the verse does not
state this.

>We know that you've already seen this.  And now you're denying it too.

Not at all.  I am saying that your misinterpretation is self-serving
and as full of shit as the rest of your nincompoop brain-substitute.

>You HATE the Word of God.

Poor deluded nincompoop, so out of touch with reality,

>> >And I will establish my covenant between me and thee [Abraham] and thy
>> >seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
>> >a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7

>> "they seed after thee" does not have a time or generation limit, so it
>> included Esau.

>God would make a covenant with someone He HATES?

He made the covenant with Abraham, and said that He would, and unless
you claim that God lied to Abraham, He must have indeed done so.

>Can you find just one verse which says this?

<And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy
<seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be
<a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen 17:7

No exceptions are stated for "hated" people.

>I really do not believe that mamzers will ever exhibit the remotest
>level of comprehension of 1Chronicles 16:17, which is exactly what this
>says.

You have yet to show the remotest level of comprehension of the
English language, and your Hebrew is utterly laughable.

>> >Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto
>> >Isaac; And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel
>> >for an everlasting covenant, 1Ch 16:16-17

>> Not germane. The covenant itself is everlasting.

>This IS God's everlasting Covenant, which Paul refers to here:
>Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;
>the one from the mount Sinai, which engendereth to bondage, which is Hagar
>Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman
>and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the
>son of the freewoman.

The Word of Paul is utterly irrelevant to the Word of God.  Sadly you
seem to confuse the two.

>Ishmael, Abraham's own son, was NOT heir to the everlasting covenant.

The Bible does not say that the covenant is "inherited".  The covenant
was made with Abraham and his seed.  "Heir" refers to the transfer of
property upon death and someone's heir might be other than one's seed.

>His covenant was DIFFERENT.

Ishmael was of the seed of Abraham, and thus if he was circumcised on
the 8th day, he was covered by the covenant with Abraham.

>It was the one from mount Sinai, and the heirs are the modern Arabs.

Pure folklore, since genetic descent from Abraham is unprovable.

>When Esau married Canaanite women, and gave away his heritage for a
>bowl of red soup [just like you], he was cut out of the ***everlasting
>covenant***:
>Gen 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away
>to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed
>him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the
>daughters of Canaan;
>Gen 28:7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone
>to Padanaram;
>Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac
>his father;
>Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he
>had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of
>Nebajoth, to be his wife.

There was nothing about being cut off from the covenant with Abraham
in that passage.

>> >This law will never change. I am the LORD! L

 

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