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RabbiDov:what does talking torah have to do with child molestation and how are they related?
urbanwolf2010:he is stalling for time
RabbiDov:what does Torah have to do with Childen being molested?
sappysongs2go:this is absurd???
RabbiDov:pooooor example..but typical
RabbiDov:its typical tzfat..
tzfat:i asked 7 times
urbanwolf2010:trying to save face online
RabbiDov:its the logical that fails you tzfat..but i dont like listening to your logic..so ill go..cuz its weak and angry logic...
urbanwolf2010:pharisee's?....now this is something masorti is very familar with!
Masorti:ooohhh, he's your Rebbe now? lol
Solar_Maid:why do people who hate Yahshua come to this section why dont they go to the sections that talk about what they do believe in instead of coming and insulting us :(
tzfat:who cares ?
malawk:sorry about this solar
tzfat:he rose from the dead........
Solar_Maid:not your fault malawk its ok
tzfat:and he is alive NOW
Solar_Maid:but i dont understand it
Solar_Maid:i never go in islam section
Solar_Maid:i dont agree with them at all
woofti:too right solar
Solar_Maid:and if i went there i wouldnt be insulting them
tzfat:many sick jews in the world today
woofti:perhaps they think they have something to do with this Jewish Jesus after all
Masorti:and Luke 1:6 says what?
Solar_Maid:i dont know but i wont be like that i wont ever go in their section and do this
tzfat:masorti...u believe the moses atory ???
Solar_Maid:as much as he would care if someone ate corn
malawk:he was commanded not to
malawk:David was in the law
tzfat:masorti......do you believe the moses story ?
woofti:no the Greek doesn't say tay
channingpro:Moses sinned thoguh
malawk: that means whole
Uriyah-: Masorti, type that in in the Hebrew, t..what?
malawk: not sinlees
malawk: for noah
woofti: amemptoi isn't "sinless@
woofti: get your Greek right
woofti: come on
Uriyah-: Masorti, you said the Greek word is the same as some Hebrew word, can you type that Hebrew word it please?
malawk: masorti doesnt that mean whole and not sinless
channingpro: zecariah sinned to
channingpro: thats why the Lord shut his mouth
Uriyah-: Where is amemtos located at, in What chapter and verse in Luke?
woofti: lk 1:16
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woofti: sorry 1:6
channingpro: lol true
Uriyah-: amemptoi, hmmm, I'll find out how this word functions in the Tanach if the word appears.
woofti: tmim does mean "whole" and not sinless
Solar_Maid: once an orthodox told me its better to be gay than to swollow a bug, that the obstain from blood law is way more important than dont be gay law
Solar_Maid: when he said that i was about to faint
malawk: seriously solar?
malawk: thats crazy
Solar_Maid: my friend is very ultra orthodox
malawk: hey mag
tzfat: dont saw jewish people
Solar_Maid: hi mag
magilla_4: HEY MALAWK
magilla_4: HEY SOLAR
channingpro: The Soverign G-d shows whom he will what he wants jew or gentile
Solar_Maid: but Yahshua also said if they didnt believe moses they wont believe me for moses spoke of me
tzfat: : the disciples of Hillel allowed to pick the heads of grain on the sabbath as long as it was done in a time that wasn't the harvest season (Mechilta, mesechta deShabbata 3:1)
Uriyah-: Gensis 17:1 amemptos appears in the LXX, here.
Uriyah-: Hmmm, the only time in Genesis.
woofti: exodus commentary?
Uriyah-: Not in Exodus.
Uriyah-: Not in Levitius.
Uriyah-: Not in Numbers.
Uriyah-: Not in Deuteronomy.
malawk: thats commentary of exodus
Uriyah-: Not in Jehoshua.
woofti: tamim = amemptos in Gen 17:1
Uriyah-: Not in judges.
Uriyah-: Not in Ruth.
woofti: = blameless, not "sinless" in any Christian theological sense
Uriyah-: Not in the first and second book of Samuel.
Uriyah-: Not in first and second book of Kings.
Uriyah-: Not in first and second book of Chronicles.
malawk: Luk 6:2 And certain of the Pharisees said unto them, Why do ye that which is not lawful to do on the sabbath days?
Solar_Maid: this is what i was looking for john 5:46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me
Uriyah-: Not in Ezra.
tzfat: a sect
woofti: ok uriyah why not tell us when you find it, not when you don't find it lol
Uriyah-: Not in Nehemiah.
malawk: yeah it is
tzfat: in the process now
Uriyah-: Hmmm, Esther, chapter 3, verse 12. Chapter 8, verse ummm don't know.
malawk: pretty scary stuff
malawk: hey phawnzie
Phawnz: hey kids
Phawnz: did you say you've read the book of enoch? fat
tzfat: reading it now
Phawnz: weird stuff
Phawnz: thats how i was taught Fat
Solar_Maid: mormons teach a differnt view its kinda funny
Shlomo Ishtov: What's the facination with Chanoch ?
Phawnz: and I was also taught that HaSatan is cast into the second heavens
Solar_Maid: hi shlomo
woofti: the Zohar was written long after Paul, though
Uriyah-: Job 1:1, John 1:8, Job 2:3, Job 4:17, Job 9:20, Job 11:4, Job 12:4, Job 15:14, Job 22:3, Job 22:19, and Job 33:9. Hmmm, amemptos appears a lot of places in Job.
Phawnz: sounds like a food not a drink
malawk: shlomo he mentions some interesting things
woofti: so it is a bit anachronistic
Phawnz: he is between man and G-d
Phawnz: i agree Fat
Phawnz: but i don't like enoch
Phawnz: its like reading a sci fi movie script
Phawnz: gives me nightmares
justifiedbyfaith: who is fonz?
Solar_Maid: look up just
woofti: fonz is cool, justified
Solar_Maid: phawnz is Phawnz
Solar_Maid: ph sounds like F
HRLake: What is the main message of the book of Enoch?
Phawnz: you guys are so refreshing
barshalomway: i heard yesterday,,,,that Jesus quoted from cabala,,zohar,,,and a bunch more i cant remember.
justifiedbyfaith: is this a jewish room?
tzfat: jewish room
Solar_Maid: except me, im not jewish
tzfat: why ?
justifiedbyfaith: go to jewish section
tzfat: no we wont
tzfat: u go
justifiedbyfaith: this is christian section
Shlomo Ishtov: Sanhedrin 93a I believe
Shlomo Ishtov: or 97a
Shlomo Ishtov: Malawk, you want to understand that Gemera, find its Mishneh.
Shlomo Ishtov: malawk, there are many midrashim that predate revelation, which revelation is basically a corrupt version of it.
malawk: shlomo revelation is 90 ad
Phawnz: justified, chrsitianity comes from Judaism
malawk: how old are the oldest midrashim?
Shlomo Ishtov: sinai
malawk: thats interesting
Shlomo Ishtov: At the destruction of the beis hamikdash, there is record of 70 camel loads of midrashim which were lost fleeing to Egypt.
Shlomo Ishtov: Jerusalem Talmud is GEMERA only.
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Shlomo Ishtov: they have the same MISHNAH
Shlomo Ishtov: Rabbi Rafael Weingot
Shlomo Ishtov: hmm
Shlomo Ishtov: Megillah 9a
malawk: MISHNAH. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOOKS [OF THE SCRIPTURE]27 AND TEFILLIN AND MEZUZAHS28 SAVE THAT THE BOOKS MAY BE WRITTEN IN ANY LANGUAGE29 WHEREAS TEFILLIN AND MEZUZAHS MAY BE WRITTEN ONLY IN ASSYRIAN.30 R. SIMEON B. GAMALIEL SAYS THAT BOOKS [OF THE SCRIPTURE] ALSO WERE PERMITTED [BY THE SAGES] TO BE WRITTEN ONLY IN GREEK
Shlomo Ishtov: Correct
Shlomo Ishtov: Do you know why ?
Shlomo Ishtov: Tell us why ?
Shlomo Ishtov: yes it does.
Shlomo Ishtov: please inform the room why.
Shlomo Ishtov: Malawk, I'm out, this anti semite is calling us pigs.
Shlomo Ishtov: control your room.
Shlomo Ishtov: He is no Yeshiva student.
malawk: tzfats jewish
KhodaAfez: he's gone
Masorti: ok, I'm back
tzfat: im not......thats why I laugh at u.....lol
Kami_153: shalom room! :)
tzfat: i have a big cup of vodka here...i am relaxed
iggy 2: shalom 5th
Phawnz: oy, shlomo is nasty no matter what day it is tzfat
FifthRebbi: chai iggy
iggy 2: :)
tzfat: im more semetic then any of these ashekenazi white "jews"
tzfat: he called me anti semit ?
Uriyah-: woofti, you know how to read Greek?
woofti: i do
Uriyah-: woofti, you got access to the Septuagint?
Masorti: so tell me woofi , what is amemptos in Greek? lol
woofti: yes i have
woofti: i just told you
Masorti: this is from your Strongs Concordance 1) blameless, deserving no censure, free from fault or defect
Kami_153: <--hurridly explains she is a red skin
Uriyah-: Woofti, look at Job 33:9 and tell me how amemptos cannot be talking about sin in that passage, thanks.
Phawnz: LOL kami
Phawnz: you can poke him in the eye
Kami_153: tee hee
barshalomway: And it is yet more abundantly most evident, if according to the similitude of Melchisedek there doth arise another priest,
barshalomway: who came not according to the law of a fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life,
KhodaAfez: sounds like you can be blameless
Masorti: Noah was sinless in all his generations
Uriyah-: Woofti, look at the Septuagint in Job 33:9, and tell me how amemptos cannot be talking about sin in that passage, thanks.
KhodaAfez: elizabeth and zacharias are called blameless in luke 1:5
Phawnz: he was a tzadik
barshalomway: for the priesthood being changed, of necessity also, of the law a change doth come,
woofti: amemptos is in the mouth of elihu
woofti: i am still looking up
HRLake: Thank you all for this room. Most fascinating - in so many ways. Looking forward to more sometime. Must go. Bye.
malawk: shalom hr
barshalomway: And the sum concerning the things spoken of [is]: we have such a chief priest, who did sit down at the right hand of the throne of the greatness in the heavens
Phawnz: shalom lake
Uriyah-: Woofti, as you can see, amemptos in Job 33:9 is surely dealing with sin against the Law.
tzfat: we care
tzfat: we care
KhodaAfez: He came to heal the sick/sinner, not the well/righteous
Masorti: Tsfat...is Yeshua God?
Masorti: yes or no?
malawk: no masorti
White_Horse777: Yeshua is the Son of God
Uriyah-: Masorti, of course not.
Uriyah-: This isn't one of those rooms.
malawk: for some yes though
Phawnz: Isaiah 40:10
woofti: uriyah amemptos is translating haf
iggy 2: Masorti I am amazed at all the persons and rocks, words Jesus becomes
Masorti: why not? doesn't the Bible say that the Meshiakh is God? lol
White_Horse777: u know what Messiah means ????
woofti: that is "clean" apparently
Kami_153: He magnified the law and made it honorable..this made him sinless
malawk: wait masorti
White_Horse777: Masorti are u from the tribe of Judah ?
iggy 2: the only one I haven't called Jesus is Noah
Uriyah-: Woofti, it's quite clear, he is blameless because he does not transgress the Law.
tzfat: ok.....now we know
Masorti: don't Christians attribute Isiah 9:6 to Jesus?
Masorti: yes or no?
KhodaAfez: yes they do
woofti: yet God comes and says of Elihu, Who darkens counsel?
Masorti: ok then
tzfat: masorti....im not christian.....so i dont
woofti: Elihu isn't exactly a good witness is he
White_Horse777: Jesus is the Son of the living God
barshalomway: can any jew prove beyond a shoadow of a doubt that they are physically descended from the patriarchs.
woofti: Elihu is a bit of a fool
Masorti: well tsfat..to Christians you are a heretic...have fun, lol
White_Horse777: are any self professed Jews from the tribe of Judah ????
Uriyah-: Woofti, it doesn't matter, have you not read Job where it uses amemptos? Here are all the places: Job 1:1, John 1:8, Job 2:3, Job 4:17, Job 9:20, Job 11:4, Job 12:4, Job 15:14, Job 22:3, Job 22:19, and Job 33:9
Masorti: of course not
White_Horse777: A jew is a descendant of Juahd
woofti: thanks uri i will look those up. remember though that the LXX isn't normative for Christian theology
iggy 2: white and jerk is jerk
Uriyah-: Even GOD himself says Job is amemptos.
woofti: i am talkign CHRISTIAN theology
Masorti: great..I'm being handled now like Torqemada did with the Jews, lol
Phawnz: i am able to trace my line to 1250 ad
FifthRebbi: please try not to handle me at all
White_Horse777: He who does not have the Son does not thave the Father
Uriyah-: I don't care for christian theology, I care for Godly thelogy. :)
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KhodaAfez: do you believe joseph was his biological father, tzfat?
barshalomway: bbl,,son needs to use phone. aleichem shalom
Phawnz: clearly i agree
White_Horse777: Rev 3:14
Kami_153: shalom bar
Uriyah-: Good for you, I view it as garbage, with all it's godmans, and hell for eternity, etc etc.
White_Horse777: Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God
tzfat: ooooops off topic....new topic ?
White_Horse777: Rev 3:12
Phawnz: y'shua is the Mighty Right ARM of HaShem Isaiah 40:10
White_Horse777: MY GOD
KhodaAfez: of those who have died and come back to life
Kami_153: lol tzfat
White_Horse777: Jesus calls his FATHER my God