The foremost Rabbinical Commentator was "Rashi". He understood
theProphet Obadiah as sayingthat the Lost Ten Tribes were in France.
"Christian Identity is SO heinous, soinherently evil, soincredibly addled in its bogus "theology" and "history" that itwouldn't even rise to the level of the "mystery" of ancient Babylon. That should be your focus rather than something you don't take the timeand/or don't have the intellectual capacity to understand - Jews or"Jewry" - organized or otherwise.
Whatyou should be concerned about isadhering to a long-agodiscreditedracist and demonic
ideology parading as a religion. Thereis nosubstantiated genetic, historical or
archeological (sic,there you go again, tsk tsk! Try "archaeological")
evidencel inking northern Europeans to ancient Israel. Your movement is SO
marginalized, so impotent that you're reduced moronic 'questions forthe class.'"
Date: Apr 20 2006 - 10:53am
Subject: Re: [identity] LOL "serpents"
WellDougie, you've made your position perfectly clear. You hate IdentityTruth with every mote and fiber of your entire (satanic) being. Youstate that belief inIdentity Truth--that the Exiled
Northern Ten Tribes of the House of Israel migrated to Northern Europe-- is "heinous" and "inherently evil".
Therefore ANYONE who ever espoused such a doctrine is:
Hateful; hatefully bad; flagrant; odious;atrocious; giving great great offense; -- applied to deeds or to character.
That being the definition of 'heinous'. We'll skip 'evil', 'addled',and 'bogus' for the sake of brevity.
Are you aware that you have insulted, reviled, and demonized one of the most respected and beloved Talmudic scholars, and authors, of all time? Rashi (RabbiSolomon ben Isaac, 1040-1105), is so revered and adored by the Jews that they call him "The Great Rashi"--look him up.
"The first exile of the children of Israel who
were exiled from the Ten Tribes to the land
of Canaanites unto Zarephath...The exegetes
say that Zarephath means the Kingdom
called 'France' in common language.."
Another Talmudist, DonIsaac Abarbanel (in two different places: on the Book of
Kings and onObadiah) emphasised his opinion that the term "Zarephath"
includes the Isleof Britain as well as France.
"Britain and France"! But what did Rashi know about France? Quite a lot actually,
he was born in France and spent most of his life there!
Accord to the site: http://www.aish.com/literacy/jewishhistory/Reverence_for_Rashi.asp
HIS LIFE, AND THE ROOTS OF ANCIENT FRENCH
Born in France, Rashi lived most of his life
in Troyes, in theprovince of Champagne, except for a few
Thereare no physical remnants to remind us of that glorious era in history.All
of the signs and traces of that time have been obliteratedby theCrusades, wars,
revolutions, and political upheavals that characterizedthe last 900 years of French
history. The French have no documentationfrom that period, describing life in their
country or the customs oftheir people. The only person who
Rashi,whose commentaries are interspersed with descriptions oflifestyles andcommon French practices and occurrences during his lifetime, is one ofthe most reliable and researched resources forFrench historians.Strange as it may seem, the writings of this loneJewish scholar are thebasis for all studies of ancient French customsand culture, especiallyin the Champagne district.
Even more significant is Rashi's contribution to the study of theancient French language.The 3,000 translations and explanations ofterms that he recorded shedlight on the ancient dialect and grammar ofancient France, which fewscholars are able to understand today. ModernFrench language is verydifferent from the French that was spoken inRashi's time. Thecollection of words that Rashi has recorded, known to us as loazei Rashi, is a veritable gold mine for linguistics scholars studying the transformations which the French language underwent.
"Rashi is the only source available to French scholars who aretrying to decipher ancient French writings," says Rabbi Avraham MeirGlantzer, a renowned expert on loazei Rashi."The fact thatRashi translated and transliterated those words intoHebrew helpsresearchers not only to understand the literal meaning ofterms, butthe exact way they were pronounced. That is what the Frenchresearchersfind so enchanting about his work. "Rashi," continuesGlantzer, "isautomatically included in almost every dictionary ofAncient French."
There is yet a third reason why Rashi is soappreciated, accordingto a theory presented by Rabbi Yoseph Pevzner:"The French value Rashias one of the greatest commentators of theJewish nation, and admire him for the great impression he has made onthe scholarly world. He isrecognized as an upright and moralpersonality of the highest degree,and as having been a rare andremarkable scholar in his time. They recognize that Rashi possessed awealth of general knowledge, apparenteverywhere throughout hiswritings."
"The French view Rashi as one of the
mostinfluential personalitiesof his time," concludes Rabbi Shmuel Sirat,former chief
rabbi ofFrance and founder of the Rashi Center,
MercazRashi.[End Quote--Emphasis added]
I shall nowprovide you with some information about the Talmud which you will find rather disconcerting.
Youmean THAT's in the Talmud !?
There is a Talmudic scholarnamed Yair Davidiy who is quite highly thought of
in British-Israelcircles. This Jewish worthy (actually a self admitted mamzer
-- the productof a Welsh father and French Jewess, thus a true halacha Jew)
has founded anorganization located in the state of Israel called "BRIT-AM",
it's web site can be perusedat:
Brit-Am's self-described goalis:
"BRIT-AM- working to re-unite the southern (Judah), and the northern (Ephraim),
Of course Yair's idea of 're-union' is for us all toconvert to Orthodox Rabbinical
Judaism! If you are not already acquainted withDavidiy please don't use me as
a reference! Yair is not kindly disposed toIdentity. Upon my broaching the subject
of the Ashkenazi Khazars hevery ungraciously called me an 'anti-Semitic Edomite'!
Now I, being naturally so meekand unassuming, got off rather lightly. A friend
of mine who had also a minordisagreement with Mr. Davidiy was invited by him
to visit Yair in 'Israel' sothat Davidiy could place a bullet between his eyes!
Never the less Davidiy haswritten several books which I heartily recommend
(though not necessarilyendorse) to all Identity types. These books contain a
wealth of information --albeit occasionally marked by tortuous convoluted
argument attempting to equatethe Khazars with the Scytho-Scots and the tribe
of Manasseh, or the Germanswith Edom.
Yair Davidiy and Brit-Am haveproduced the following book titles:
'The Tribes', 'LostIsraelite Identity', 'Joseph', and 'Ephraim;'
as well as the journal BRIT-AM featuringarticles by Davidiy
and his colleagues.
I shall present some excerptsform Davidiy's book "Ephraim", as I conveniently
have it in electronic format. Davidiy states he seeks to prove the modern identity
of the Lost Ten Tribes through"ARCHAEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL PROOFS ,
BIBLICAL EVIDENCE", and, as he says in ChapterFour, "TALMUDICAL PROOFS".
He firststipulates this entirely unreassuringly caveat:
"The Lost Ten Tribes of Israelin their places of exile are legally "Gentiles"
(according to theTalmud, Yebamot 17) for all intents and purposes asfar
as keeping theMosaic Law is considered. (Not
to mention the dreadedso-called
Davidiy continues in"Ephraim":
Rabbinical Sources spoke of the Lost Ten Tribes beingexiled to the River
Sambation, to beneath the Clouds of Darkness, and toDaphne of Antiochea.
The concepts and areas thatthese place-names represent lead to Western
Europe and North America. TheZohar is an early Jewish Mystical work
The Zohar says that Israel is represented by a red andwhite rose. The
description of this rose resembles the Tudor Rose ofEngland. The Zohar
describes the return of the Lost Ten Tribes and theirfuture re-unification
with Judah. Jewish traditionsconcerning the Lost Ten Tribes should be
supplemented by Celtic and Northern ones.
The foremost Rabbinical Commentator was "Rashi". He understood
theProphet Obadiah as sayingthat the Lost Ten Tribes were in France.
The word used for France is "Zarephath". Other commentators took
?Zarephath"to encompass Britain,France, and the north. The Biblical
Bookof Obadiah according to Jewish Sources describes a coming show-
downbetween Edom (Germany andRome) on one side and between the
LostTen Tribes of Israel onthe other. The Ten Tribes are led by Ephraim.
The name?Ephraim? can also referto the Lost Tribes in general. In a
specificsense Ephraim isrepresented by Britain and peoples of British
It will be shown how the JewishBiblical commentator RASHI (on The
Book of Obadiah) believed that the Lost TenTribes of Israel migrated into
Zarephath which he identified with the land ofFrance while Don Isaac
Abarbanel equated "Zarephath" with both France and Englandtogether.
It is implied that Nachmanides (in "The Book of Redemption") considered
the term "Zarephath" to encompass all ofthe Northwest European region. (29)
"Zarephath" is mentionedin the Book of Obadiah (1;20) in connection with
theexile of the children of Israel:
Accordingto a composite explanation based on Rabbinical Commentators
theaboveverse may actually be understood to say:
exile [of the Lost Ten Tribes] who
TheHebrew word ("Chail") translated in the KJ as "host" can also mean"first"
andmost Jewish Commentators seem to have understood the verse to refer
tothe first exile which was that of the Lost Ten Tribes. Theyalso tended to
understandthe place-name "Zarephath" (in this case) as referring to France
andits area or to France and England together and thus eitherexpressly or
byimplication to link the Lost Ten Tribes with these western regions.
ClassicalJewish Traditional Commentators interpreted the Hebrew passage
ofthe first part of the above excerpt as saying:
Thewords of the traditional Jewish Rabbinical Commentators on this verse
willnowbe quoted with a bare minimum of explanation. Sufficeit to say
thattheir opinions are based on substance and confirmed from othersources:
Rashi(Rabbi Solomon ben Isaac, 1040-1105, Champagne, France):
"The first exile of the children of
i.e.Rashi says that the Lost Ten Tribes are in France! Iben Ezra, Abraham
" `..from the Canaanites': We have heard
from great men that the land of
This means according to Rabbinical Commentators (suchas Eben Ezra, Radak,
Rashi, Abarbanel) areas extending from the bordersof Germany and including
France. Don Isaac Abarbanel(in two different places: on the Book of Kings and
on Obadiah) emphasised his opinion that the term"Zarephath" includes the
Isle of Britain as well as France.
The above Commentators did not necessarily in everycase comprehend the
significance of their own interpretations. They simply interpreted the Biblical
verses according to what they perceived as the straight-forward meaning in
the light of their own knowledge. Itis not (at present) fully certain whether
they themselves actually consciously realised thatthe LOST TEN TRIBES were
amongst the Gentiles in the above areas. -Nevertheless, these Commentaries
taken at face value most easily do lend themselves toa "Lost Ten Tribes In
Western Europe" interpretation.
The Interpreters quoted aboveare considered in some degree to have been
inspired and therefore were capable of insights whoseimport they were not
necessarily fully aware of.
Abarbanel, Don Isaac(1437-1509). A descendant of David. Born in Lisbon,
he became treasurer to the king of Portugal but wasforced to flee to Spain
which he left when the Jews were expelled in 1492. He entered the service
of the king of Naples, Italy, then moved to Corfu,then Apulia, and later to
Venice. Everywhere he went he served as an advisor to theheads of state.
He wrote a copious Commentaryon most books of the Bible. He seems to
have read every book (christian and Jewish) everwritten on the Bible and
related matters that were extant in his day. He givesthe impression in his
works of having been pro-English, which was unusualfor a man of his
The Talmud (Megilla 6) infers that Edom went toGermany and Roman Italy.
The Talmud (Baba Batra 123;b)also says that only the descendants of Joseph
are capable of conclusively defeating Edom and thatthe Prophecy of Obadiah
refers to such an event. Historicalevidence shows the Israelite Tribes of
Joseph (Ephraim and Menasseh) to have ultimately convergedin the British
Isles and North America. The aboveexplanation of Joseph versus Edom as
depicted in the Book of Obadiah actually describes the result offuture conflict
between JOSEPH (PRIMARILY Britain and the U.S.A) and the LostTen Tribes
in Zarephath (France and the north) on one side against the forcesof Edom
(Romanised Europe) led by Germany on the other!
Not only does Scripture and itsconnected tradition identify modern nations
with their ancestral counterparts, the Bible alsoindicates the final outcome
of ancestral struggles that were begun long ago. If the claims made in this
work are true (and the evidence does point in thatdirection) then they will
be able to stand up to examination. Theimplications are important enough
to warrant confirmation!
6. Kedar in Hebrew means darkness.The verse in the Song of Solomon (1;5)
associating blackness with the tents of Kedar isa play on words: "I am black,
but comely,.. as the tents of Kedar..." TheVikings called North America
"Markland" which is said to mean "Land of theDark"8. The Lost Ten Tribes
were exiled (according to Talmudic tradition)to a place where "Clouds"
covered them or to the "Mountains ofDarkness". These terms were applicable
to Mannae, the Caucasus, Crimea,Scandinavia, and other areas of Cimmerian
settlement. In aConceptual-Figurative sense (as demonstrated below in this
work) the terms were ultimately applicableto North America. ppTalmudic
Traditionssupported by Biblical passages located the Lost Ten Tribes in such
placesas Daphneh of Antiochea, beyond the Sambation River, and Under the
Cloudsor in the Mountains of Darkness. These nameswill be shown to have
beenthose pertinent to several geographical locations and to indicate the
pathsof Lost Israelite Migration to the British Isles and the west! These
ovementsled to the Israelite Tribes of Joseph coming to dominate Britain
whichin turn has significance for the understanding of Biblical Prophecy.
"BEHOLD THESE SHALL
Regarding the above verse the following points are ofinterest: One Midrashic
source (Tanchuma, Genesis, VaYatzay b:, cf. Lev.Rabah29;2) implies that those
exiled "afar" or in a "faraway land" means those whowere exiled to Gaul
(Gallia) and its neighbours. The Israelites will return -"from the north and
from the west", i.e. areas to the northwest of theland of Israel. pp They will
also return "from the land of Sinim", meaning (saysRashi and the Aramaic
transliteration of Yehonathan "From the Land of thesouth", and according to
the Latin Vulgate translation "From Australia" (or"Australis"): "Australia" in
Latin means "the land of the south". "Landof Sinim" implies `Land of the
Sini-people' since the suffix "-im" in Hebrew is thesignification of plurality.
The SINI (1-Chronicles 1;15)were descendants of Canaan, son of Ham, and
probably gave their name to the Sinai Peninsula 2.This is interesting since
the Sinai Peninsula is not all desert as oftensup-posed and in Biblical times
supported a relatively large population from theIsraelite Tribe of Simeon.
The Sinai Peninsula wasincluded in the Promised Land of Israel and in
some respects is Geographically similar to Australia!
End of quotes.