Jewish Defense Force. Sheesh what a bunch of hog wash. What are you damn jews going to do when Almighty God sends His angels and bundles your lying, thieving, deceiving, murdering ass up and throws you into the fire? For that is what He said He woud do and that is that. The would will be much better off after that and that is why
there will be world peace. No more god damn jews screwing up the works. Praise Yahweh and come quickly.

R�ain wrote:

TO: JOHN KNIGHT or whatever your name is this year, It is yoruself that lacks the intelligence to reason, to know the truth, to be able to comprehend LOGIC and RATIONAL thinking. You continue with irrational HATE of Jews, Gays, and WOMEN. While not ever dealing with your emotional and psychological problems, with your alocholism, your child abuse and molestations, spousal abuse, your inability to pay child support and your time in California State Prison. I think it is you that needs to be afraid and to undertsnad how many enemies you are making. I hope for your sake you are a masochist for torure and snuff are not very pleasent, even for the toughest of the tough. For everytime you wish DEATH upon us JEWS, you have in fact wished a painful, everlasting death upon yourself and not just for your physical body, but for your spiritual soul as well. FOR ALL THE INFORMATION PEOPLE NEED ON THIS IGNORANT HATE-FILLED MAN -- YOU WILL IND IT BELOW, including some of his various ALIASES, NUMBERS, and ADDRESSES: B'Shalom,Jewish Defence Force   You wrote;John Knight ,or whatever his real name is, ... TUCOMS (the registrar of the web name):
    Manifesto, Fathers
    fathersmanifesto@yahoo.com
    2131 Primrose Avenue
    Alhambra, Cal 91803
    US
    626-308-0193

And from one of the web pages, I got:
    John W. Knight, III
    j.w.knight@usa.net
    15 St. Tropez
    Newport Beach
    Calif. 92660

I couldn't find any confirmation of the existence of someone
of that name at these addresses, until now.

Here is the domain information from the registrar used to register by the
domain Christianparty.net, which is Johnny bin Knight's website:

Registrant:
                                             FM
                                             2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                             Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                             US

                                             Domain Name: CHRISTIANPARTY.NET

                                             Administrative Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

                                             Technical Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

                                             Billing Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

Perhaps it might be time to submit complaints to abuse@crosswinds.net, the
e-mail server he used to register this site, and support@directnic.com the
e-mail contact for DirectNic.com, the domain registrar he used to set up his
site.
 

-----Message d'origine-----
De : John Perna [mailto:johnperna@compuzone.net]
Envoy� : mardi 24 octobre 2000 20:19
� :
Objet : Fw: [repeal19th] From patriotism to hatred. Who benefits?
 

Below there is a message with

Christian Party  as John Knight's screen name.

John Knight run this web page
http://fathersmanifesto.com
Here is one that he devoted to fighting me, for pointing out that he uses ad
hominem as his primary argument
http://fathersmanifesto.com/adhominem.htm
I will send you my reply if you like

; Micheal T. Manthie Sr. ;  is another minor player ------------------------------Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001
Subject: TIME TO SIGN UP OR GET OFF THE RAFT.
From: "Philip E. Glidden" <stibnite@mindspring.com>
 
 
 
 

                                            RESOLVED

 JUDAISM IS AN AGGRESSIVE AND UNCOMPROMISING RELIGION WHICH HAS BECOME A
SERIOUS DANGER TO WORLD PEACE AND STABILITY.

 WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, REJECT AND REPUDIATE  JUDAISM AND ZIONISM AS BEING
REPUGNANT AND INIMICAL TO THE MAINTENANCE OF PERSONAL FREEDOM AND THE
RIGHTS OF FREE EXPRESSION  BOTH IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD.

 JUDAISM HAS BECOME A ROGUE RELIGION WHICH ULTIMATE AIM IS THE CONQUEST OF
THE WORLD AND THE MENTAL, MORAL AND PHYSICAL SUBJUGATION OF ITS PEOPLE.

 THE TEACHINGS OF THE JEWISH TALMUD  DEROGATES NON-JEWS AND REGARDS THEM AS
INFERIOR BEINGS. THE UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE WRITTEN IN THIS JEWISH SACRED BOOK
OF LAWS PROVIDES VIVID TESTIMONY AND DOCUMENTATION THAT  RABBIS AND OTHER
JEWS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ORTHODOXY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE CHOSEN
PEOPLE OF GOD. JEWS BELIEVE THAT THEIR ORTHODOXY REQUIRES  THEM TO CARRY
OUT THIS MANDATE.

                      SIGNED,            P. E. GLIDDEN
 

I second that motion:  John W. Knight, phone 877 794 0627, email
johnknight@pmail.net JOHN KNIGHT ALIASESI WONDER WHY John W. Allen aka John Knight CLAIMS THAT EVERYONE WHO;DISAGREES WITH HIM, IS JUST ONE PERSON? Could it be that he actually believes that other peopleare doing the same thing that HE is doing? Just WHO is it, at all of these addresses???? Christian Party <chrspart@polbox.com> fmanifesto@geocities.com fmanifesto@hotmail.com fmanifesto@netscape.net tcffc2000@yahoo.com knight@moscowmail.com  "Christian Party"  <tcffc2000@yahoo.com>   <fathersmanifesto@yahoo.com> Fathers Manifesto <manifesto@worldspy.net> tcffc <tcffc2000@yahoo.com> Christian Party <christianparty@crosswinds.net> j.w.knight@usa.net christianparty@hotpop.net <christianparty@hotpop.net> "Christian Party" <christianparty@gmx.net> "Knight" gave his real address on one of his web pages:
http://members.easyspace.com/fathers/42usc1983.htm
Here is the domain information from the registrar used to register by the
domain Christianparty.net, which is Johnny bin Knight's website:

Registrant:
                                             FM
                                             2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                             Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                             US

                                             Domain Name: CHRISTIANPARTY.NET

                                             Administrative Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

                                             Technical Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

                                             Billing Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

Perhaps it might be time to submit complaints to abuse@crosswinds.net, the
e-mail server he used to register this site, and support@directnic.com the
e-mail contact for DirectNic.com, the domain registrar he used to set up his
site.
 

----- Original Message -----

From: R�ain

To: CINDS@yahoogroups.com ; Conspiracy_Theory ; resistancepoliticalfront@yahoogroups.comCc:gray@compcomm.com ; DEK115@aol.com ; Jews Truth Yehudim B'emetSent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:23 PMSubject: Re: [CINDS] BLASPHEMY: brain sizes: Einstein's and women's

John Knight ,or whatever his real name is, seems to be real known as a liar, a deceiver, a dead-beat father, an ex-convict, a racist, and a hater of women. And a stated in an e-mail below maybe even a paedophile. He also seems to be emotionally stunted, as he argues and name-calls as a child or teenager would, not as a mature ADULT father would. He also seems to believe in anything that he reads off of White Supremacist web pages and NAZI web pages, and interprets the 'bible' as if he had written it right from the mouth of god. Perhaps this is from having a low self-esteem and reinforced by being a failure at marriage and at being a father and a failure at being a good white American Christian. Thus making him go to the right extreme to feel validated and important, powerful and in-control.

He seems otherwise very private and doesn't seem to have a formal education. He was last living in Southern California, I believe after his release from prison.

I guess we could actually just make up something and write out own biography for him -- seeing this is what he does about history and about Judaism, and about the 'bible'.

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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:39 PM

Subject: [Rush-Room] John Knight's AKA's......

By the way, John Knight, Mark Hall and Art Books are all the same person. Its no wonder that he can get so many people to agree with him. They are ALL him !!!
Go down to the fourth to the last  line in this e-mail.
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/

DANIEL AMNEUS, Ph.D. / JOHN KNIGHT
aka MARK HALL aka ART BOOKS
Author of The Garbage Generation
Author of THE FATHERS MANIFESTO--
THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:24 PM

Subject: [Rush-Room] ATTENTION JOHN KNIGHT

John Knight, I am giving you ONE warning. Do NOT take posts from me and
distribute them all over your little hate groups. If I find out you have done
this again, I will report you to Yahoo and will make sure you never post
again. And I am willing to bet at least a hundred people in these groups will
back me up. You are a piece of scum and a poor excuse for a Christian AND a
patriot.
Doreen

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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [bobenyartlive] Re: John Knight: 5000 NYers dead, "so what?"

kirkz@softhome.net writes:
Doreen,
   Is Yahoo going to stop him? I'll be more then happy to personally write them if necessary. They should have some control over someone taking messages from others and posting those messages against the desire of the author.
    KZ

I had written yahoo and got nothing but automated replies. So.. I called them. My intent was to get him to stop taking my messages and posting them in a group that I was not allowed to reply. But I guess Yahoo saw fit to delete the entire group.. Of course he has many other groups, but maybe I screwed up his day a little.
Doreen

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hengist@home.com writes:
Well, it seems to have come down to a jew worshipping "christian", and a vindictive litle bitch on "ChristianPatriot"
And, of course, Klingbeil and Perna gloat.
-hengist

Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 9:39 AM

Subject: [Rush-Room] TO ALL WHO RECEEIVE THIS:

Hengist/ And all others who receive this:
(and Kirk, please pass this along to the Christian Patriot group because I know nobody else will..)

I was not being vindictive. I have asked John Knight not to copy my messages and post them in groups that I am not in. He refused. I then told him not to do this. He still refused. Again, I told him not to and warned him that I would report him to Yahoo. Then I tried to join the Repeal19  e-mail group so that I could at least defend myself and he wouldn't even accept my subscription. (and the response from some of you was that I was whining.)
John Knight is guilty of bearing false witness against another Christian (Exodus 23:1,Leviticus 19:16, Proverbs 6:19, Proverbs 12:17) with the lies he has told about me. He has called me a feminist, a Jew and a liberal. I consider all of these insults because I am a very conservative antifeminist Christian. Do I care what you all think? Not really. But I still don't want my messages posted where I cant defend myself. AND, its against Yahoo terms of service.
So don't blame me for disrupting your little hate sessions. Blame John Knight. He was warned more than once.
Doreen
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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Moderator please ban John Knight

wesscott@iglide.net writes:
He is a racist name calling bigot and he should not be on this list.

Where is Brian, the moderater? I am going to send this to him also and maybe he will address this. John Knight has abused his membership more times than I can remember, and not just in this group, but quite a few.
Doreen

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From: <DEK115@aol.com>To: <DEK115@aol.com>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:13 AMSubject: [Anti-Feminism] OT: The Fringe On The Right> Below you will see a post written by a disgusting piece of crap. He has taken
> my posts from one group and shared them with other groups, groups that I am
> not in and not able to even reply. And he continues to do this without my
> permission. So if there is anyone out there who has some anger and wants to
> vent- have at it.

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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 4:57 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] dek115 is STUPID!!

He hates me because I see right through him. The problem he has is that the law wont allow him to treat women like dirt.
Doreen

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Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Matt- Help with Michael....

achilleus2@aol.com writes:
can anybody else on the list help me out here?  I say his post is crap.  Anyone out there agree?
 

Been there. Done that. The problem is, Michael does, at times, make some good points. But he is too busy insulting people that the points get missed. And instead of explaining what he is trying to say, he just says that you are "deluded, blind, using a straw man, ignorant and on and on.." He comes off as very hostile, therefore others will respond in the same way.
Doreen

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Re: OT: The Fringe On The Right

markhall@rocketmail.com writes:
if you write like a slut, don't be surprised if people treat you like
a slut.

you read the rules--what part don't you understand.

for every post you think is decent, there are three that are trash
talk, and it gets downright depressing.

Mark Hall

WHat the heck are you talking about????? You show me one post where I have
written like a slut. You sound an awful lot like John Knight.
Doreen

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Re: OT: The Fringe On The Right

markhall@rocketmail.com writes:
and that's no excuse for breaking the rules.  your posts make most
people want to puke, but they still don't use that as an excuse to
hurls slurs at you, do they?

Mark

My posts are always respectful and decent. You may not agree with my
opinions, but I have always been respectful to everyone. I have no idea WHAT
you are talking about. ANd I really dont know where I have broken any rules.
Doreen

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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:27 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Re: OT: The Fringe On The Right

You would accuse ME of disobeying the group rules????? Where were you when
John Knight was posting here calling everyone names? I would just like him to
stop copying my messages and posting them in other groups. It seems to me
that he is the one breaking a much bigger rule. I think the worst thing I
called him was a piece of crap. I would think that would me more of a fact
than an opinion.
Doreen

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markhall@rocketmail.com writes:
Doreen,

Here are the rules for this group.  Why can't obey these simple rules?

=========================
This is for discussion of the Rush Limbaugh show. Liberals are
welcome. But personal attacks or name calling will not be permited
from liberals or conservatives.
=========================

I am sure that most of us are personally sick and tired of your
insulting, demeaning language.  If you must talk like this, do it some
place else, but not in public.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:42 AM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Fw: [FOB1] Airplane Crash INTO WTC - Another GOP Orchestrated...

You know, this really pisses me off. And I never use the word "piss" so you
know its true. In the abortion debate group I am in, even there we have all
kind of called a truce until this passes because America was attacked. At
this point I dont give a shit who is democratic, republican right or left.
Someone attacked our country and we need to retaliate. Some people have lost
their lives and others have lost their families. This is something that
although tragic, will bring the country together. I am disgusted to hear that
anyone would think the GOP would do this just to keep dems from voting. So
send this back to "Helen" and tell her to go look at her last statement  and
think about what it means to be an American above being a democrat.
Doreen

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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 7:24 PM

Subject: Re: [bobenyartlive] Re: John Knight: 5000 NYers dead, "so what?"

eva@usucceed.com writes:
Repeal the 19th amendment -- stop women from voting?  Gee this guy is
a wacko.  He was the one who was sending virus infected messages tp
this group, right?

Eva


Yup. I used to say that I didnt have a problem with repealing the 19th, that if it meant getting rid of abortion and such. But after dealing with John Knight there is NO WAY I would let a scum like that do my voting.
Doreen

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Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 5:54 PM

Subject: Re: [bobenyartlive] Re: John Knight: 5000 NYers dead, "so what?"

kirkz@nettaxi.com writes:
Eva,
      I think Knight is worse then Phelps, that is if he can be taken seriously. Phelps hasn't been a known racists or anti-Semite *and* Phelps does have some good one-liners like signs that "Save the Gerbils."
      KZ

I have never had any kind of personal discussion with Fred Phelps, so I cant say much about him. I have with John Knight though, and let me tell you, he is one sick individual. He is against abortion, not because he thinks its wrong, but because it takes away the control from the husband. He is against going after the terrorists, not because he wants peace, but because he HATES Jews and will work with anyone and support anyone who is against the Jews. Why do you think he sticks up so much for Hitler?
Doreen

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Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Moderator please ban John Knight

wesscott@iglide.net writes:
He is a racist name calling bigot and he should not be on this list.

Where is Brian, the moderater? I am going to send this to him also and maybe he will address this. John Knight has abused his membership more times than I can remember, and not just in this group, but quite a few.
Doreen

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> > From: "Andre Traversa" <goandre@x...>
> > To: <Rush-Room@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 10:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] JOHN KNIGHT - SHUT UP & GET OUT OF THIS GROUP
> >
> >
> > > Bob,
> > > >From what I can tell, John Knight is probably a government agent. Mark
> > > posted some ifo about him some time ago, that his organization, Father's
> > > Manifesto, is actually part of a sting operation designed to track down
> > > hate groups.  I would just ignore im, and if I were Doreen, I would do the
> > > same.
> > > Andre
> > >

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Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:08 AM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Re: [ChristianPatriot] dek115 is STUPID!!

johnperna@compuzone.net writes:
Maybe Dek115 should post that yahoo telephone number so that a few others could use it too.

I will post it because I wont be calling anymore. It was not my fault that they deleted the whole group and that was not my intention. All that I wanted was for him to not post my messages. He keeps saying that he doesnt want opinions like mine on his list, so why does HE post them??????
Anyways, here is the #  (408) 349-3300
Doreen

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Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Nick

NMMJR@aol.com writes:
I did a little checking on the internet about our resident neo-Nazi.  It seems that most of the other Aryan Nation types down in his area (south Orange County, CA) don't want to have anything to do with him [John Knight], because they suspect him of pedophilia.  Considering the proclivities of Goebbels, Himmler, et al., he would have fit in wonderfully there.
For freedom,
Nick


Nick, Do you have a link? This would be very interesting.
Doreen

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Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 2:54 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] DOREEN IS THE SMARTEST CHRISTIAN WOMAN IN YAHOO GROUPS

achilleus2@aol.com writes:
John Knight knows I think he's a camel's butt, too.


Maybe you should let Bush know.. : )
Doreen
 


maybe he might spare one cruise missile for it?

Well, considering that John Knight has so many AKA's, it would actually take care of quite a few people.. <g>
Doreen

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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: [Rush-Room] Women in the Bible

tcffc2000@yahoo.com writes:
None of which answers the question about what you think is meant by "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to USURP authority over the man, but TO BE IN SILENCE".

What does that *mean* to you?  Answer the question directly if you think it's such a simple answer, and quit telling everyone else what they think.   If you don't know, ask somebody.  If you need some background, there's a complete analysis at http://fathersmanifesto.com/biblewomen.htm   If you think you see an error, point out precisely where it is.

You claimed that since 1 Corinthians 14 includes a statement about speaking in tongues, that "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a disgrace for women to speak in the community" applies only to speaking in tongues, and only in church.

But you ignored the other Scripture that was cited, 1 Timothy 2, which doesn't even address speaking in tongues, so what do you as a putative Christian woman think "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to USURP authority over the man, but TO BE IN SILENCE" means?

John Knight

ps--it's blasphemy for you to belittle the Holy Bible by calling this discussion "Father' Manifesto Version of Bible", so the subject header was changed.

John, The women of the time were not educated. This is what Paul was addressing, that the women should learn by being silent. And women were highly susceptible to false teachings so they needed to learn before they could speak or teach. Paul did not forbid women to teach. He only addressed teaching men.
What is the point of all this? Are you suggesting that I should not be taking part in this discussion at all? Because I dont even consider you a Christian. Problem solved.
And I wouldnt call it blasphemy when I called the scriptures you quote as coming from the FMV. What is really the blaspheme is THE SCRIPTURES YOU USE.
Doreen

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If I am not for myself, then who shall be for me. But if I am for myself alone, then what am I?"  - Hillel

 "Gray Shockley" <gray@compcomm.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BA0E8862003AD48911C295D0@news-central.giganews.com...
> On Sat, 30 Nov 2002 14:52:50 -0600, John Knight wrote
> (in message <Cy9G9.39630$kz4.1847948@news2.west.cox.net>):
>
> > If you *really* think it requires God to read the surveys which report
that
> > only 9% of Americans believe that "Human beings have developed over
millions
> > of years from less advanced forms of life. God had no part in this
process",
> > then you *really* are a "liberal".
> >
> > To this amoral, thoughtless, amorphous, arrogant, ignorant 9%, a
statement
> > that we all came from the sea might sound perfectly ok.  But to the vast
> > majority of the 93% who're putative Christians in this putative
Christian
> > nation, it's the sheer definition of BLASPHEMY.
> >
> > Until you change the dictionaries, or the law, or Christianity, or the
Holy
> > Bible, or the US Constitution, it shall remain BLASPHEMY.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> Why should you care about the U.S. Constitution?
>
> You announced that you had left the United States.
>
> Or were you lying?
>
> Or did you have of a lucid moment of sobriety?
>
>
>
>
> Gray Shockley
> ---------------------------------------------------
> """John Knight""" seems to be suffering
> from alcoholic psychosis.
>
>
 

Does the fact that you didn't dispute a single figure at
http://fathersmanifesto.net/dwi.htm mean that you fully agree, 100%?  Or does
it mean you didn't comprehend one single point, which is why you resorted to
these little cry baby whiiiiines.

You "debate" like a girl, Gray.  Why is that?

John Knight

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To: Mike Washington ; Marvin BerlowitzCc: dan kmitta ; charles jackson ; ivan watts ; kim king ; smithfamily@fuse.net ; peace list ; Rodney DanielsSent: 21 December 2002 05.27Subject: [CINDS] Banning Israeli Professors from U.S. universities: A GREAT IDEA WHOSE TIME IS long OVERDUE

   Alan, You obviously still don't get it, not even after you've LIED in your debate with Alan Keyes, then immediately followed it with another LIE, claiming that your first LIE wasn't a LIE  http://fathersmanifesto.net/dirshowitz.htm We all heard you LIE, then we heard you deny that you LIED, then we heard you promote sodomy (a crime and a sin, not just in "radical" Muslim countries, but right here in the putative Christian USA, where you're hopefully a temporary resident), then we heard you blasphemy Christian principles.  Did you round out the evening by committing adultery, cursing God, and robbing a bank to boot? Long after 70% of the voters in 35 states passed laws outlawing sodomite "marriages", you STUPID jews were still running around our countryside complaining about how Christians and Muslims who merely want to uphold their most precious religious convictions are "human rights violators", then you have the chutzpah to ask why the world HATES you?  http://fathersmanifesto.net/sodomy.htm It was YOU who proposed torture in the US, then you have the chutzpah to complain about torture in Jordan, & now you ask why the world HATES you? Your following two questions are now going to get the just answers that they've always so richly DESERVED:

"Is Israel's policy of full equality for openly gay soldiers and members of the Knesset somehow worse than the policy of Muslim states to persecute those who have a different sexual orientation than the majority? Is Israel's commitment to equality for women worse than the gender apartheid practiced in Saudi Arabia?"

YES, AND YES. If you STUPID jews ever figure out why the answer is "yes" and "yes", something that's not likely to occur in your shortened sodomite lifetime, then just maybe the world won't HATE you so much. Do you know how much the world HATES you, though, Alan?  They HATE you so much that if this country ever gets to the point of torturing people, they PRAY that you're the first one to be stretched across the rack. They pray you remain on that rack, for a decade, until the simple answers to your STUPID questions FINALLY sink in. John Knight

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Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 7:28 PM

Subject: Fw: Banning Israeli Professors from U.S. universities

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To: Marvin BerlowitzSent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:07 AM


Alan M. Dershowitz 

National Post 

 If a visitor from a far away galaxy were to land at an American or Canadian university and peruse some of the petitions that were circulating around the campus, he would probably come away with the conclusion that the Earth is a peaceful and fair planet with only one villainous nation determined to destroy the peace and to violate human rights. That nation would not be Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Russia or Iran. It would be Israel. 

There are currently petitions circulating on most North American university campuses that would seek to have universities terminate all investments in companies that do business in or with Israel. There are also petitions asking individual faculty members to boycott scientists and scholars who happen to be Israeli Jews, regardless of their personal views on the Arab-Israeli conflict. There have been efforts, some successful, to prevent Israeli speakers from appearing on college campuses, as recently occurred at Concordia University. There are no comparable petitions seeking any action against other countries that enslave minorities, imprison dissidents, murder political opponents and torture suspected terrorists. Nor are there any comparable efforts to silence speakers from other countries. 
 

The intergalactic visitor would wonder what this pariah nation, Israel, must have done to deserve this unique form of economic capital punishment. If he then went to the library and began to read books and articles about this planet, he would discover that Israel was a vibrant democracy, with freedom of speech, press and religion, that was surrounded by a group of tyrannical and undemocratic regimes, many of which are actively seeking its destruction. He would learn that in Egypt, homosexuals are routinely imprisoned and threatened with execution; that in Jordan suspected terrorists and other opponents of the government are tortured, and that if individualized torture does not work, their relatives are called in and threatened with torture as well; that in Saudi Arabia, women who engage in sex outside of marriage are beheaded; that in Iraq, political opponents are routinely murdered en masse and no dissent is permitted; that in Iran members of 
religious minorities, such as Baha'is and Jews, are imprisoned and sometimes executed; that in all of these surrounding nations, anti-Semitic material is frequently broadcast on state-sponsored television and radio programs; in Saudi Arabia apartheid is practiced against non-Muslims, with signs indicating that Muslims must go to certain areas and non-Muslims to others; that China has occupied Tibet for half a century; that in several African countries women are stoned to death for violating sexual mores; that slavery still exists  in some parts of the world; and that genocide has been committed by a number of countries in recent memory. 

Our curious visitor would wonder why there are no petitions circulating with regard to these human rights violators. Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza -- an occupation it has offered to end in exchange for peace -- worse than the Chinese occupation of Tibet? 

Are the tactics used to combat terrorism by Israel worse than those used by the Russians against Chechen terrorists? Are Arab and Muslim states more democratic than Israel? Is there any comparableinstitution in any Arab or Muslim state to the Israeli Supreme Court, which frequently rules in favor of Palestinian claims against the Israeli government and military? Does the absence of the death penalty in Israel alone, among Middle East nations, make it more barbaric than the countries which behead, hang and shoot political dissidents? Is Israel's settlement policy, which 78% of Israelis want to end in exchange for peace, worse than the Chinese attempt at cultural genocide in Tibet? Is Israel's policy of full equality for openly gay soldiers and members of the Knesset somehow worse than the policy of Muslim states to persecute those who have a different sexual orientation than the majority? Is Israel's commitment to equality for women worse than the gender apartheid practiced in Saudi Arabia? 

Our visitor would be perplexed to hear the excuses made by university professors and students for why they are prepared to delegitimate Israel while remaining silent about the far worse abuses committed by other countries. If he were to ask a student about the abuses committed by other countries, he would be told (as I have been): "You're changing the subject. We're talking about Israel now." This reminds me of an incident from the 1920s involving then-Harvard president A. Lawrence Lowell. Lowell decided that the number of Jews admitted to Harvard should be reduced because "Jews cheat." When a distinguished alumnus, Judge Learned Hand, pointed out that Protestants also cheat, 
Lowell responded, "You're changing the subject; we're talking about Jews." 

It is not surprising, therefore, that as responsible and cautious a writer as Andrew Sullivan, formerly editor of The New Republic and now a writer for The New York Times Magazine, has concluded that "fanatical anti-Semitism, as bad or even worse than Hitler's, is now a cultural norm across much of the Middle East and beyond. It's the acrid glue that unites Saddam, Arafat, al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Iran and the Saudis. They all hate the Jews and want to see them destroyed." 

Our intergalactic traveller, after learning all of these facts, would wonder what kind of a planet he had landed on. Do we have everything backwards? Do we know the difference between right and wrong? Do our universities teach the truth? 

 These are questions that need asking, lest we become the kind of world the visitor would have experienced had he arrived in Europe during the late 1930s and early 1940s. 

 Dershowitz is Professor of Law at Harvard.


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From: R�ain

Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 8:41 PM

Subject: [CINDS] The truth about John Knight and his campaign of HATE!

 

To: John Knight AKA Al Books AKA ________ AKA _________

 

IT IS YOU WHO IS WRONG~!!!!!

HE HAS MEDICAL/SCIENTIFIC DATA TO BACK UP HIS WORD -- ALL YOU HAVE IS PARANOIA & CONSPIRACY AND HATE!!!!!!!!

 

YOU DENY THE FACTS FOR YOUR OWN SELFISH MOTIVES!! YOU ARE A DANGER TO YOURSELF AND OTHERS!!!

 

ASK YOURSELF HOW CAN MILLIONS OF NON-JEWISH DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS KNOW VACCINATIONS ARE SAFE AND YOU AND MAYBE A FEW HUNDRED PARANOID ANGRY PEOPLE, WITH NO MEDICAL TRAINING AND NO TRAINING IN SCIENCE, SAY IT IS KILLING PEOPLE???????????????????/

 

I HAD ALL MY VACCINES AS A CHILD AND THEN AGAIN WHEN I JOINED THE MILITARY AND NOTHING!!!!!! I HAVE KNOWN OF ONLY ONE BABY DYING FROM SIDS IN 30 YEARS!!!!! THAT'S A LOT OF BABIES STILL LIVING!!!! MY GRANDPARENT BORN IN THE 19th CENTURY BOTH HAD ONE BABY DIE OF CHILDHOOD DISEASE! THEY DIDN'T HAVE VACCINES THEN!! AND NEARLY EVERYONE I KNOW THAT HAD CHILDREN BEFORE 1950 HAD A BABY OR KNEW SOMEONE WHO HAD A BABY DIE FROM DISEASES THAT ARE NOW GONE!!!!! 

 

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!! WAKE UP TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!! FIND OUT WHY YOU HATE YOURSELF SO MUCH AND HAVE THE NEED TO HAVE IRRATIONAL HATE FOR JEWISH PEOPLE AND TO BLAME THEM FOR EVERYTHING WRONG IN YOUR LIFE AND IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!! STOP TRYING TO BLAME OTHER PEOPLE FOR YOUR PROBLEMS!!!!

 

TUCOMS (the registrar of the web name):
    Manifesto, Fathers
    fathersmanifesto@yahoo.com

    2131 Primrose Avenue
    Alhambra, Cal 91803
    US
    626-308-0193

And from one of the web pages, I got:
    John W. Knight, III
    j.w.knight@usa.net

    15 St. Tropez
    Newport Beach
    Calif. 92660

I couldn't find any confirmation of the existence of someone
of that name at these addresses, until now.


Here is the domain information from the registrar used to register by the
domain Christianparty.net, which is Johnny bin Knight's website:

Registrant:
                                             FM
                                             2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                             Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                             US

                                             Domain Name: CHRISTIANPARTY.NET

                                             Administrative Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423 - (DISCONNECTED as of 12/15/02)

                                             Technical Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423 - (DISCONNECTED as of 12/15/02)


                                             Billing Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423 - (DISCONNECTED as of 12/15/02)


Perhaps it might be time to submit complaints to abuse@crosswinds.net, the
e-mail server he used to register this site, and support@directnic.com the
e-mail contact for DirectNic.com, the domain registrar he used to set up his
site.


-----Message d'origine-----
De : John Perna [mailto:johnperna@compuzone.net]
Envoy� : mardi 24 octobre 2000 20:19
� :
Objet : Fw: [repeal19th] From patriotism to hatred. Who benefits?


Below there is a message with

Christian Party  as John Knight's screen name.

John Knight run this web page
http://fathersmanifesto.com
Here is one that he devoted to fighting me, for pointing out that he uses ad
hominem as his primary argument
http://fathersmanifesto.com/adhominem.htm
I will send you my reply if you like

; Micheal T. Manthie Sr. ;  is another minor player

 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001
Subject: TIME TO SIGN UP OR GET OFF THE RAFT.
From: "Philip E. Glidden" <stibnite@mindspring.com>





                                            RESOLVED

 JUDAISM IS AN AGGRESSIVE AND UNCOMPROMISING RELIGION WHICH HAS BECOME A
SERIOUS DANGER TO WORLD PEACE AND STABILITY.

 WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, REJECT AND REPUDIATE  JUDAISM AND ZIONISM AS BEING
REPUGNANT AND INIMICAL TO THE MAINTENANCE OF PERSONAL FREEDOM AND THE
RIGHTS OF FREE EXPRESSION  BOTH IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD.

 JUDAISM HAS BECOME A ROGUE RELIGION WHICH ULTIMATE AIM IS THE CONQUEST OF
THE WORLD AND THE MENTAL, MORAL AND PHYSICAL SUBJUGATION OF ITS PEOPLE.

 THE TEACHINGS OF THE JEWISH TALMUD  DEROGATES NON-JEWS AND REGARDS THEM AS
INFERIOR BEINGS. THE UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE WRITTEN IN THIS JEWISH SACRED BOOK
OF LAWS PROVIDES VIVID TESTIMONY AND DOCUMENTATION THAT  RABBIS AND OTHER
JEWS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ORTHODOXY BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE THE CHOSEN
PEOPLE OF GOD. JEWS BELIEVE THAT THEIR ORTHODOXY REQUIRES  THEM TO CARRY
OUT THIS MANDATE.

                      SIGNED,            P. E. GLIDDEN


I second that motion:  John W. Knight, phone 877 794 0627 - (Unknown FAX number)

 

JOHN KNIGHT ALIASES

I WONDER WHY John W. Allen aka John Knight CLAIMS THAT EVERYONE WHO;

DISAGREES WITH HIM, IS JUST ONE PERSON?

 

Could it be that he actually believes that other people

are doing the same thing that HE is doing?

 

Just WHO is it, at all of these addresses????

 

Christian Party <chrspart@polbox.com>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 "Christian Party"  <tcffc2000@yahoo.com>

 

 

Fathers Manifesto <manifesto@worldspy.net>

 

 

Christian Party <christianparty@crosswinds.net>

 

 

 

"Christian Party" <christianparty@gmx.net>

 

"Knight" gave his real address on one of his web pages:
http://members.easyspace.com/fathers/42usc1983.htm

 


Here is the domain information from the registrar used to register by the
domain Christianparty.net, which is Johnny bin Knight's website:

Registrant:
                                             FM
                                             2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                             Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                             US

                                             Domain Name: CHRISTIANPARTY.NET

                                             Administrative Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

                                             Technical Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

                                             Billing Contact:
                                                Party, Christian
christianparty@crosswinds.net
                                                2131 S. Primrose Ave
                                                Alhambra, Ca 91803
                                                US
                                                760 708 6423

Perhaps it might be time to submit complaints to abuse@crosswinds.net, the
e-mail server he used to register this site, and support@directnic.com
the
e-mail contact for DirectNic.com, the domain registrar he used to set up his
site.


----- Original Message -----

From: R�ain

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: [CINDS] BLASPHEMY: brain sizes: Einstein's and women's


John Knight ,or whatever his real name is, seems to be real known as a liar, a deceiver, a dead-beat father, an ex-convict, a racist, and a hater of women. And a stated in an e-mail below maybe even a paedophile. He also seems to be emotionally stunted, as he argues and name-calls as a child or teenager would, not as a mature ADULT father would. He also seems to believe in anything that he reads off of White Supremacist web pages and NAZI web pages, and interprets the 'bible' as if he had written it right from the mouth of god. Perhaps this is from having a low self-esteem and reinforced by being a failure at marriage and at being a father and a failure at being a good white American Christian. Thus making him go to the right extreme to feel validated and important, powerful and in-control.

He seems otherwise very private and doesn't seem to have a formal education. He was last living in Southern California, I believe after his release from prison.

I guess we could actually just make up something and write out own biography for him -- seeing this is what he does about history and about Judaism, and about the 'bible'.

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From: DEK115@aol.com

Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 4:39 PM

Subject: [Rush-Room] John Knight's AKA's......

By the way, John Knight, Mark Hall and Art Books are all the same person. Its no wonder that he can get so many people to agree with him. They are ALL him !!!
Go down to the fourth to the last  line in this e-mail.
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/fathers/

DANIEL AMNEUS, Ph.D. / JOHN KNIGHT
aka MARK HALL aka ART BOOKS
Author of The Garbage Generation
Author of THE FATHERS MANIFESTO--
THE POLITICAL PLATFORM TO REPEAL WOMEN'S RIGHT TO VOTE

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----- Original Message -----

To: conspiracy_theory@yahoogroups.com ; CINDS@yahoogroups.com ; Conspiracy-Theory@yahoogroups.com ; Conspiracy_Theory ; resistancepoliticalfront@yahoogroups.com ; 4U America ; anti-feminism@yahoogroups.com ; antisemitism@yahoogroups.com ; bob1776@modempool.com ; cConspiratology ; christian_nationalist@yahoogroups.com ; ChristianPatriot@egroups.com ; ChristSword@egroups.com ; chrspart@polbox.com ; CINDS ; CINDS@egroups.com ; Charles F.Nawrocki ; The Grip ; The Grip ; Post To Group ; Christian Identity ; info@givemeliberty.org ; infowars@egroups.com ; Daniel Johns ; John Knight ; KORESHX98@egroups.com ; Sons of Liberty ; LIFE-GAZETTE@egroups.com ; MER - Mid-East Realities - MiddleEast.Org ; national@natvan.com ; Richard Niemela ; Christian Patriot ; White Christian Patriot ; Jack Perrine ; repeal19th@smartgroups.com ; Rush Room ; rpf_2 ; salvador_astucia@yahoo.com ; slick-d@topica.com ; theseries@egroups.com ; David Tritt ; Carol A. Valentine ; ZOGs War ; WhiteChristianPatriot@egroups.com ; whitespeak@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 16 December 2002 04.05

Subject: [Jews-Emet] Re: [conspiracy_theory] Re: [CINDS] Death By Lethal Vaccine Injection


Roger Knapp is DEAD WRONG!

Every year, more than 6,000 American children die of
vaccinations which are MIS-labled as SIDS (sudden
infant death syndrome), and which are thus NEVER
reported as vaccine related to the CDC.

Do you know how many cases of paralytic polio there
were during the HEIGHT of the "polio epidemic"? 

THIRTY THREE.

iow, vaccinations KILL 180 TIMES as many children each
year as got paralytic polio--and now you want us to
trust jew "doctors"?

You STUPID jews have done ENOUGH damage to this
Christian nation.

John Knight




--- R�ain <wolfhound@irishpub-hostel.com> wrote:
>
>
http://www.rogerknapp.com/medical/vaccineornot.htmrogerknapp.com
>             Established since 1997
>            James Dobson  Focus on Family Site
>           
>
>             Welcome to the Knapp Family Home Page  
>           
>
>
>           
>     
>
>         Vaccine: to vaccinate or not
>
>         There are many people who are against
> vaccinations for varied reasons. They put articles
> on the Net and in magazines. And on TV. It seams
> there is a growing move away from traditional
> doctors and medications and there is a booming
> business in Herbs, home deliveries, and alternate
> medicine. Many have been disillusioned by doctors
> who are not current or when things turn bad for no
> specific reason.
>
>         When a baby gets a vaccine and immediately
> after has any symptom, the knee jerk reflex is to
> blame it on the vaccine. I guess that is where
> superstitions come from. A black cat crossed in
> front of someone who then had bad things happen and
> he blamed it on the cat. Only through scientific
> studies comparing the treated and control groups
> have we come far in our understanding and knowledge.
> Many myths have been dispelled and we have proven
> the snake oil did not help your medical condition.
> Many quacks have been stopped by proving their stuff
> did not work.
>
>         But it is hard to convince a parent whose
> baby dies the night after the vaccination that it
> was not he vaccine. Also the person who develops
> arthritis or seizures after receiving a vaccine.
> Thousands of infants receive their DPT at 2 months
> in the United States and there will be some crib
> death that night. Studies showed that there were
> just as many crib deaths the night before they were
> due to have their shots as there were after. The
> frequency of crib death in the vaccinated infants
> was the same as those infants who were unvaccinated.
> There is definite proof that the shots did not cause
> crib death but try convincing that parent whose baby
> dies after the shots. Seizures, delayed development,
> and Autism occur and are not caused by vaccines.
> Scientific studies have proven it.
>
>         There are reported rare cases of damage
> after vaccinations. SEE VACCINE INJURY TABLE. These
> are 1/310,000 patients. There are risks. Not only to
> these vaccines but to just living. Going to school
> or driving the car. We take precautions like
> buckling up but there are still risks. These
> vaccines are made as safe as we know how at the
> level of our technology at that time. They are
> continually improving and making them safer. But
> there are risks.
>
>         We look at the risks and the benefits. Like
> the seat belt that can save you 90% of the time but
> may cause problems 5 % of the time. More people were
> killed in the Civil War than in WWI, WWII, Korea,
> and Viet Nam all added together. Only 1/3 were
> killed by bullets. 2/3's died from Polio, Measles,
> Meningitis, and other diseases we vaccinate against.
> This year 3 million children will die from tetanus,
> measles, and meningitis... not in the USA because we
> vaccinate. The last case of meningitis I saw was 10
> years ago when the HIB vaccine came out. The child
> was due to come in for it's check up and shots but
> the mother missed the appointment. The child
> developed meningitis and died at Children's
> hospital. We went from 20,000 cases/year of
> meningitis to now a only a few per year. It is now
> so rare that you hear about it on the news. You did
> not hear much about it years ago because it was so
> common that it was not news. 10% die and 50% are
> brain damaged. In just one year we went from 20,000
> cases to a few hundred. It is saving many children.
>
>         We have eliminated Small Pox from the face
> of the earth and now do not give the vaccine.
> Measles is about to be eliminated from the US. We
> eliminated Polio from all of N. and S. America, and
> soon will eliminate it from the world. We now give
> the injectable form of the polio rather than the
> live vaccine. Some day we will not have to give that
> vaccine but one has to wait until it is gone for
> sure before we stop it. One must weigh the risks and
> benefits.
>
>         It is so hard to get medications and
> especially vaccines approved by the FDA because they
> are trying to keep it safe and effective. There will
> be a vaccine soon released against the Pneumococcus
> Bacteria. It is what killed Jim Hensen of the
> Muppets. It should decrease ear infections,
> pneumonia, sepsis blood infections, and meningitis
> caused by this bacteria, that kill many children
> every year. I hope they get a vaccine against AIDS
> soon.
>
>         I just finished writing up a "brief" for the
> courts to get a patient of mine (whom I feel was
> damaged by a vaccine) some compensation from the
> government. I have read all the literature and court
> cases. And yes some children are damaged. But
> millions are saved by the vaccines. And most of
> these diseases are still present or not eliminated
> long enough to stop the vaccine.
>
>         Yes there are risks. Would I get my child or
> grandchild vaccinated today? Definitely!
>
>        
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christian Party
> To: CINDS@yahoogroups.com ; cConspiratology
> Cc: Steph Emery
> Sent: 16 December 2002 02.39
> Subject: Re: [CINDS] Death By Lethal Vaccine
> Injection
>
>
>
>
>
> The marvels of jew medicine
> http://fathersmanifesto.net/healthcare.htm
>
> It should be noted that up to 6,800 children die
> every year as a result of adverse reactions to
> vaccines, but they are listed as "SIDS".
>
> This is BY FAR a much larger number of lives lost
> than ANY disease took in the last 500 years.
>
> Yes, the jew "doctors" LIED to us, yet again.
>
> John Knight
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Deon Masker
>   To: cConspiratology
>   Cc: Steph Emery
>   Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 2:16 AM
>   Subject: [CINDS] Death By Lethal Vaccine Injection
>
>
>   Disclaimer:
>   ~~For educational or entertainment purposes only~~
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>   Should this email has reached you in error, please
> return
>   it with "removePatriot/Mail" in the subject line
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>
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: mom
>   To: mom-l@listserv.montana.com
>   Sent: Friday, December 13, 2002 9:43 AM
>   Subject: Death By Lethal Vaccine Injection
>
>
>   I can vouch for this I did CPR on my 3 month old
> neighbor child who died from the same thing but the
> medical profession just listed it as SIDS. Carolyn
>    
>   Please DO NOT take, or let your loved ones take,
> ANY shots or
>   vaccinations
>   until you KNOW, I SAID KNOW, EXACTLY what you are
>   doing!!!!  Below is only one of many unbelievable
> sad
>   examples!!!  I SAID ANY!!!!!
>    
>   Billy-Joe..Mauldin
>    
>    
>   Death By Lethal Vaccine Injection
>    
>   Source:
> http://mercola.com/2002/aug/7/vaccine_death.htm
>
>   By Christine Colebeck
>
>   Today is my daughter's sweet 16th birthday but we
> will not be
>   celebrating. Instead I will light a candle and
> when I blow it out I
>   will make a wish in my daughter's memory. My wish
> is for all mother's
>   worldwide, that you will educate yourselves and
> that you make informed
>   choices so that you may prevent unnecessary
> tragedy and be spared from
>   my pain.
>
>   Laura's Story
>
>   After 41 weeks of pregnancy, on July 27th, 1986, a
> perfect and healthy
>   little baby, Laura Marie, made her entrance into
> the world. We were
>   welcomed home by family and friends anxiously
> waiting to meet the new
>   family member. They showered her with so many
> beautiful, little tiny,
>   pink dresses, we joked that she would never be
> able to wear them all
>   in one lifetime.
>
>   Our lives changed completely and now revolved
> around stroller walks in
>   the park, visiting friends, changing diapers,
> night feedings and
>   shopping for more little pink dresses. We were
> parents now, we had a
>   family and life was absolutely perfect.
>
>   I took Laura for several baby check-ups at the
> pediatrician. She was a
>   kind and gentle older woman. At 3 months old, the
> pediatrician was
>   very pleased with Laura's development and weight
> gain and vaccinated
>   her with DPT OPV. I didn't even question her, I
> knew that all my
>   friend's babies had this same vaccine and "all
> good mothers"
>   vaccinated their children to protect them. I left
> the pediatrician's
>   office and walked home.
>
>   Laura was very fussy, which was unusual. She was
> crying loudly all the
>   way home in the stroller. When we got home, I
> realized she had
>   urinated so heavily she wet everything in the
> stroller. Then her cry
>   turned into screaming and she developed a fever,
> her leg was very
>   swollen and red, and felt hot. I called the
> pediatrician who told me
>   this was "normal" and to give her Tempra. I gave
> her baby Tempra and I
>   felt better, the pediatrician had assured me this
> was normal.
>
>   Laura continued to scream and I could no longer
> console her. My every
>   instinct told me this was not normal but I was
> young with my first
>   child and trusted the doctor. I could not hold
> Laura in my arms
>   because she screamed louder as any movement of her
> leg seemed to cause
>   her terrible pain. I put her in the swing and she
> cried herself to
>   sleep. I was so relieved, the Tempra was working
> and the doctor must
>   have been right. I began to feel silly for all my
> worrying. A short
>   time later, Laura woke up screaming and spent the
> evening screaming
>   and sleeping on and off.
>
>   She had no appetite and nothing made her stop
> crying. Finally it was
>   bedtime and she cried in her crib, until she fell
> asleep. She had
>   never cried herself to sleep before and I felt
> very bad for letting
>   her but if I held her, she screamed louder. My
> husband came home from
>   work and I told him about everything that had
> happened that day. Laura
>   was sleeping soundly in her crib and we were both
> relieved that she
>   seemed to be feeling better and decided not to
> worry... I should have
>   worried.
>
>   In the morning I awoke and was startled to realize
> my husband had
>   slept in for work. I immediately knew something
> was wrong and the
>   worry from the previous night came rushing back to
> me. I quickly ran
>   to her crib, with a feeling of dread. She did not
> look right. I closed
>   my eyes tight and opened them again, and
> considered the possibility
>   that this was a dream, but when I opened my eyes
> she looked dead.
>
>   I went into shock and after that, much of this day
> remains a blur. I
>   touched her and she was very warm. I screamed for
> my husband to call
>   911.
>
>   I watched as he performed CPR, my body was frozen
> and I couldn't move.
>   He tried to revive our child to no avail. He was
> shouting for me to
>   open the door for the paramedics, I was
> temporarily jolted back to
>   reality and I went and opened the door. I could
> now move but couldn't
>   speak. I just stood there numbly shaking my head,
> feeling completely
>   helpless as dozens of paramedics, police and
> firemen rushed past me
>   into our home. I didn't cry, and I wanted to
> scream at them to leave
>   her alone but I couldn't speak. She was on the
> floor and they were
>   shocking her tiny body, in the little bedroom with
> the yellow painted
>   walls and clown wallpaper. I stood there praying
> in my head that they
>   would just leave her alone, that they would get
> out of her bedroom and
>   that I would wake up from this horrible dream.
>
>   Then I heard someone saying there was a faint
> pulse and I suddenly
>   felt hopeful. She was rushed from the house in an
> ambulance. It was
>   then that the homicide detectives led us into
> another room and the
>   interrogation began.
>
>   They decided that my husband and I needed to be
> questioned in separate
>   rooms. I immediately realized they suspected that
> we had done this to
>   our child. We all know that perfect children do
> not suddenly die for
>   no reason. I was silent, I had already decided in
> my own mind that
>   this was somehow all my fault and although I
> wasn't quite sure what I
>   had done to kill her, I was convinced that I had
> somehow caused this
>   to happen. Perhaps, I was being punished by god
> for a sin or perhaps
>   it happened because I had let her cry herself to
> sleep that night. The
>   fact remained that my child was dead and "good
> mothers" do not have
>   dead children.
>
>   My husband began to protest loudly about the line
> of questioning and
>   he demanded we be taken immediately to the
> hospital, to see our child.
>   The detectives finally took us to the hospital and
> put us in the "bad
>   news room." The doctor came and insisted we sit
> down before he spoke
>   to us. He began telling us that they had tried
> this and that and then
>   finally he said the words that would echo in my
> ears for a lifetime:
>
>   "She is dead."
>
>   The pediatrician whom I so respected and adored
> broke down and cried
>   when I gave her the news on the phone. She went
> back and forth
>   defending the vaccine that she was told was safe,
> and blaming it for
>   killing my child and those who told her it was
> safe.
>
>   She then told me that she also had another
> patient, an infant boy, die
>   after this same vaccination.
>
>   Then the detectives took us home for more
> questions, often repeating
>   the same questions several times until they grew
> tired of asking them.
>   The questions constantly centered around our
> involvement, then they
>   searched the house and checked for signs of forced
> entry. My husband
>   repeatedly told them that he thought the vaccine
> had killed our child
>   and told them over and over about her unusual
> behavior since she was
>   vaccinated.
>
>   Everyone we knew arrived at our house. I made
> coffee and tidied the
>   house, like it was any other day and we were
> having "guests". Shock is
>   a strange and wonderful thing and of course you
> don't know you are in
>   it.
>
>   My parents finally insisted on taking me to their
> house for a few
>   days, while my husband and his friends had the
> horrendous task of
>   packing up the nursery because I couldn't stand to
> look at it any
>   longer. The room I had so lovingly made was now
> empty and a source of
>   great pain.
>
>   Several days later, after the funeral and the tiny
> white coffin that
>   was so small my husband carried it alone, I
> finally came out of shock
>   and allowed myself to cry a river. I cried for all
> the things I would
>   never do with my daughter. All the ballet classes
> I would never take
>   her to, the wedding I would never attend, the
> grandchildren I would
>   never know and all the dreams I would never
> realize with her. I cried
>   for all that was and all that would never be.
> There was an emptiness
>   inside of me that threatened to swallow me up
> whole, as I fell into
>   the depths of grief during the darkest days of my
> life.
>
>   The detectives eventually became satisfied that we
> had not harmed our
>   daughter in any way and the investigation into her
> death ended. We
>   were then left without answers.
>
>   The doctors did not want to talk about her death
> being related in any
>   way to the vaccine and, one after the other,
> refused to answer our
>   many questions. I was repeatedly told that
> vaccines were for "the
>   greater good." I was even told that loss of life
> through immunization
>   was "expected" in the war against disease but
> these losses were
>   considered to be at "acceptable" levels. However,
> this did not feel
>   very acceptable or good to me as a mother with
> empty arms that ached
>   for my child. The coroner finally told us months
> later that the cause
>   of death was determined to be "SIDS" (sudden
> infant death syndrome),
>   meaning "no known cause," and refused to release a
> copy of the autopsy
>   report to us.
>
>   It took almost a year for us to obtain this report
> and to our great
>   horror, we realized that the autopsy summery was
> copied directly from
>   the vaccine product monograph under the heading
> "Contraindications" as
>   follows:
>
>   "Sudden infant death syndrome has been reported
> following
>   administration of
>   vaccines containing Diphtheria, tetanus toxoids,
> and pertussis
>   vaccine. However, the significance of these
> reports is not clear. One
>   common factor is the age where primary
> immunization was done between
>   the age of 2 to 6 months, a period where most
> sudden infant death
>   syndromes are found to 1occur with a peak
> incidence being at 2 to 4
>   months."
>
>   There was no toxicology testing performed and the
> pediatrician never
>   filed an adverse vaccine reaction report with
> health authorities. I
>   later learned that most vaccine-induced deaths in
> this country are
>   listed as SIDS and SIDS statistics are NOT
> included in vaccine adverse
>   reaction data, even if a child dies only a few
> hours after receiving
>   inoculation. This data is presented to physicians
> and the public to
>   reassure them that vaccines are
>   safe.
>
>   The government's own literature advises that there
> has been little or
>   no testing in the area of vaccine safety or
> efficacy. Essentially, our
>   children are the test. According to their
> literature, immunization is
>   "the most cost effective" way to prevent disease.
> Nowhere in their
>   literature does it claim to be the safest. We are
> trading our
>   children's lives to save the government money. We
> are told that the
>   benefits outweigh the risks but many of the
> diseases that we vaccinate
>   for are not even life threatening; however, the
> vaccine itself has the
>   potential to kill.
>
>   Vaccines kill at a much higher rate than we are
> led to believe. We
>   play vaccine roulette with our children's lives
> and we never know
>   which child will fall victim next.
>
>   If the odds are 1 in 500 thousand for death, 1 in
> 100 thousand for
>   permanent brain injury, 1 in 1700 for seizures and
> convulsions or one
>   in 100 for adverse reaction, are you willing to
> take that chance? Are
>   any odds acceptable enough to convince you to
> gamble with your child's
>   life?
>
>   I can assure you that death from vaccination is
> neither quick nor
>   painless. I helplessly watched my daughter suffer
> an excruciatingly
>   slow death as she screamed and arched her back in
> pain, while the
>   vaccine did as it was intended to do and assaulted
> her immature immune
>   system. The poisons used as preservatives seeped
> through her tiny
>   body, overwhelming her vital organs one by one
> until they collapsed.
>   It is an image that will haunt me forever and I
> hope no other parent
>   ever has to witness it.
>
>   A death sentence considered too inhumane for this
> county's most
>   violent criminals was handed down to my beautiful,
> innocent, infant
>   daughter, death by lethal injection.
>
>   Today, on my daughter's birthday, I will grieve
> not only for the loss
>   of my own child but for all the innocent children
> for which the
>   benefits of vaccines do not outweigh the risks and
> are unnecessarily
>   sentenced to death by lethal injection, under the
> guise of "the
>   greater good." The true war is not against
> disease; we have somehow
>   become our own worst enemy by putting our faith in
> science instead of
>   nature. Today, I call on all mothers across the
> world to join me in
>   putting an end to this senseless slaughter of our
> most precious
>   resource, our children.
>    
>
>   Response from Dawn Richardson, President, PROVE
>
>   Dear PROVE Members
>
>   I am forwarding this . as a tribute to baby Laura
> and all the other
>   children who have been injured or killed by a
> vaccine so that parents
>   can learn another side to the vaccine story.
>
>   When I was almost 8 months pregnant with one of my
> daughters, I had
>   volunteered to go to the Travis County Morgue with
> Karin Schumacher
>   who, for years before she went to Law School, ran
> the NVIC news-list.
>   Karin asked me to help her go through autopsy
> reports of infants
>   listed as SIDS deaths and look at vaccination
> information. I will
>   never forget the experience. We sat there in this
> basement buried in
>   infant autopsy reports as my own baby kicked and
> turned inside of me.
>
>   Here were two of our observations:
>
>   1) A highly disproportionate amount of SIDS deaths
> clustered at 2, 4,
>   and 6 months -- which are the very times infants
> are vaccinated. If
>   vaccines had nothing to do with these, the numbers
> should have been
>   randomly spread throughout the first 6 months of
> life. Not so. I
>   challenge the naysayers to go to any morgue in the
> country and to be
>   honest and see what I'm talking about.
>
>   2) It was shocking at how rare it was for the
> vaccine information to
>   be recorded and how little investigating into the
> cause of death of
>   these babies was actually done. It floored me that
> the when the
>   vaccine information was even mentioned, it was
> often so incomplete.
>   Medical examiners routinely missed asking for this
> indispensable
>   information and failed to note the correlation of
> the date when the
>   child died to even raise the question.
>
>   One of the things that struck me when reading
> Christine's story . is
>   that here we are 16 years later and so many
> doctors are still
>   downplaying and denying the risks of vaccines and
> healthy babies are
>   still dying after being vaccinated.
>
>   One of the most offensive things that Senator
> Frist has in his vaccine
>   bill which shields the drug companies from all
> liability when a
>   vaccine injures or kills someone is that he is
> proposing that the
>   federal government increase the amount of money
> that a parent receives
>   from the government compensation program when
> their child is killed by
>   a vaccine. Parents are not willing to be bought
> off with this blood
>   money. Elected officials like Frist who want to
> eliminate the
>   financial responsibility of the drug companies all
> together and throw
>   the bone to parents that the government will pay
> them more if the
>   government mandated vaccine kills their kid need
> to be voted out of
>   Congress. If you haven't sent your email notes to
> your senators to
>   oppose S 2053 yet - PLEASE do! If drug companies
> have ZERO threat of
>   liability, the one thing we can be certain of is
> that stories like
>   [Laura's] will become far more common.
>
>   The key to change is education. Fortunately, the
> Internet allows
>   parents to educate parents. Please stop for a
> quiet moment after
>   reading the note and say a prayer for all the
> babies whose lives were
>   ended before they even got a chance to really
> start . and then take
>   the time to forward this on to other parents.
>
>   Sincerely, Dawn Richardson
>   President, PROVE
>
>   Senator Frist's Vaccine Bill S 2053
>    
>

>
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>
>   ----------
>
>   DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: E-mail to a friend
>
>   I strongly urge you to forward this particular
> piece to everyone --
>   parents, expecting parents, women in their
> childbearing years, and
>   anyone who may know such individuals - and ask
> them to forward it on,
>   too. One of the greatest powers of the Internet is
> that we can spread
>   important information quickly; another is that we
> are not (yet!)
>   restricted from doing so by government or
> corporate bodies.
>
>   Laura's tragic story is, sadly, anything but new.
> For years, as you
>   can see via the links below or by searching on
> Mercola.com, I have
>   warned against vaccines, as have other
> credentialed physicians. The
>   good they may do is overwhelmed by the harm they
> inflict, from the
>   trauma of being stuck with endless needles to
> inflicting the very
>   disease they are supposed to guard against to, as
> this story shows,
>   death.
>
>   There are alternate and vastly safer methods that
> all begin with a
>   truly healthy diet as outlined in my Eating Plan;
> of course, drug
>   manufacturers and the government they have
> purchased don't want you to
>   believe that the foods you consume and the habits
> you adopt are the
>   primary solution to establishing immunity to
> diseases and living
>   longer. They want you to believe that their
> pharmaceuticals, including
>   vaccines, are essential to your existence, and
> your children's.
>
>   Their wealth relies on your dependency, and so
> they will do everything
>   to crush the notion of "natural" - meaning they
> don't profit from it,
>   and you take back the control - health. They will
> spend three billion
>   dollars this year alone in advertisements for
> their pharmaceuticals,
>   preying on unsuspecting consumers' hopes and fears
> with these
>   carefully crafted campaigns. Apparently, they will
> not even stop at
>   killing our children to feed their greed.
>
>   Again, I encourage you to check out the links
> below, and to use the
>   powerful search feature on Mercola.com, using
> terms such as "vaccine"
>   or "pharmaceutical manufacturer," to find out how
> the traditional
>   medical establishment is putting your life and the
> lives of those you
>   love at risk -- and how to take back your health.
>
>   Related Articles:
>
>   Dispelling Vaccination Myths
>
>   Mercury Poisoning from Vaccines
>
>   Pharmaceutical Advertising: Another 3 Billion
> Dollar Hoax
>
>   Vaccine Insanity
>
>   Warning! New Hepatitis Vaccine Recs Can Devastate
> Newborn's Health
>
>   *                              *                 
>            *
>
>   The cops never question the doctor who has
> injected the deadly vaccine
>   after a SIDS death yet parents are always
> questioned and interrogated.
>   In many cases parents are charged for murder or
> 'shaken baby syndrome'
>   with resulting death.  The black robed thugs
> (judges) hold their
>   victims guilty as charged and throw the innocent
> parents into jail.
>   The evil governments and pharmaceutical
> corporation continue in their
>   devious genocide practices.  As long as
> underhanded and deceptive scum
>   like Richard Warman play a role, even a minor one,
> in government that
>   long we will not see honesty and integrity in
> government.
>
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