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Subject: [DavidIcke] Re: why am I the only one in this group pissed of about jacob israel? [Marsha]
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A way of dealing with TROLLS
in groups where the moderator fails to moderate

Even if the moderator fails to moderate, or if there is no moderator,=20
it is still possible to report violations of Yahoo Terms of Service=20
to Yahoo.=20
Use this address:
groups-abuse@cc.yahoo-inc.com

To view Yahoo Terms of Service visit:
http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/utos-173.html

You will find this:
You agree to not use the Service to:


upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content=20
that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious,=20
defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy,=20
hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;=20
You might also report the troll to his own internet service provider=20
for violations
of there "acceptable use policy".=20
To identify the troll's internet service provider,=20
1. click on "full headers" of "view source".
2. Copy and paste the full headers of the message.=20
3. Open this page:

http://www.arin.net/index.shtml

and check each the IP numbers that are shown.=20
The one that is NOT Yahoo will be the troll's internet service=20
provider.
4. Use Google to locate the "acceptable use policy" of the troll's=20
internet service provider, and the address for reporting abuse.=20
5. Forward the violation to that address WITH FULL HEADERS.=20

Totalitarians use misfits to disrupt free speech on the internet.
Vladimir Lenin coined term  "useful idiots" to describe those=20
westerners=20
who would assist in building the totalitarian agenda.

They cannot debate the truth with their lies.
So they just try to drown the truth out.
They get a team of shills to crowd us out with trivia, vulgar gutter=20
offensiveness, exasperating small talk, and crazy accusations.=20


The New World Order trains their "useful idiots" well.
Personal attacks are their general technique.=20
Watch what happens after this is posted.

This procedure will destroy the totalitarian's most effective=20
method of disrupting free speech on the internet.=20
Trolls; who have seen this procedure work before,=20
will sometimes leave as soon as this message is posted,=20
as they already know what is going to happen.=20
Please pass this around.=20
Permission to add this to web pages is granted.=20

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOfSpeechNow/message/25=20

What is a Troll?=20
=20
An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in
sowing discord on the Internet.=20
He tries to start arguments, and upsets people.
=20
Trolls see internet communications as
 convenient venues for their bizarre game.=20
They are actually afflicted with a form a sadism;=20
in that, they take joy in hurting people.=20=20
A sadist gets sexual pleasure from causing pain.=20
Quite simply; a troll is a sadist,=20
who is engaging in the sadist's version of "cyber sex".
Many trolls are bigots.=20
Bigotry is a good cover for sadism.

Trolls feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict.=20
Indeed, the greater the suffering  they cause;=20
the greater their joy.=20
For the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows=20
trolls to flourish.
=20
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism
 (constructive or otherwise).

Arguing with a troll is like playing Russian roulette with a dead=20
man.=20

The troll's usual reaction to a response will be amazingly similar to=20
the adolescent phrase:=20

"I know you are, but what am I?"

When the trolls become very desperate for attention,=20
they will resort to insulting the normal member;=20
by name, AND IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE MESSAGE.

It is very simple:
We learn who the most effective human rights activists are,=20
by seeing who the government shills attack.=20
We learn who the government shills are,=20
by seeing who attacks the most effective human rights activists.=20

Trolls are quite predictable.=20
Within a few hours of the first time,=20
that this message was posted ,=20
one of the internet's most active trolls posted a message,=20
with my name in the subject line,=20
saying that I am the ultimate troll.=20

After this message was first posted,
many people asked if there was a web page;=20
which gave a list of known trolls.=20
If you want the trolls to identify themselves,=20
just post this message,=20
and see who takes offence,=20
and pops in to comment.=20

It is safe to conclude that if one were to throw a rock into a pen=20
full of
pigs,
and one of them squealed,
that the one that squealed,
would be the one that you had hit.
=20
You cannot negotiate with trolls.
You cannot cause trolls to feel shame or compassion.
You cannot reason with trolls.=20
Trolls cannot be made to feel remorse.=20
You can say:
"Why don't you take your silly bickering to the chat room,=20
and stop filling up everyone's mail box with drivel?"
BUT THEY NEVER WILL.=20
The reason that the trolls refuse to take their silly bickering=20
to the chat room is that then everyone would see how few people are=20
interested in what they have to say,=20
by the fact that NO ONE would go with them to the chat room.=20
NO ONE, BUT THE TROLLS, WOULD BE THERE!
ALSO;  then they would not be filling up everyone's mail box,=20
with drivel;=20
which is their real goal.

Trolls do not feel they are bound by the=20
rules of courtesy or social responsibility.
=20=20
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think,
 "Surely there is something I can write that will change them."=20
But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.
=20=20
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your
 reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.
=20
When you try to reason with a troll, he wins.=20
When you insult a troll, he wins.=20
When you scream at a troll, he wins.=20
The only thing that  trolls cannot handle is being ignored.

Taking out the trash

There is a scenario;=20
which repeats itself continuously on the internet egroups.=20

A group; which was originally formed for a specific purpose,=20
loses it moderator, and is taken over by trolls.=20
The trolls bully the normal members,=20
and drive many of them out,=20
with insults and personal attacks.=20
You could put the troll into your "blocked sender" list,=20
but then you would not know what he is saying about you.
If the normal members leave then they have turned the list OVER to=20
the trolls.=20=20

There is a simple solution:
The list decides on one "Designated Driver for the garbage truck".
The "garbage truck" is for=20=20=20
hauling away the trash from list trolls.

All but ONE member of the list, puts the troll into their "blocked=20
sender" list.
"Designated Driver for the garbage truck"=20=20
reads the troll's garbage,=20
and notifies the list, or notifies any individual members PRIVATELY,=20
of anything that might interest them.=20
Then the rest of the list can operate at peace.=20
No one is worried about what the troll in writing about them,=20
AFTER they put him into the blocked sender list.
No one EVER responds to the troll's message.=20
If you think that someone might have read the troll's insults and=20
slander,=20
then just make a general post, that does not mention the troll,=20
but addresses his slander.=20
This should NEVER be posted as a reply to the Troll's message.=20
Replying TO THE TROLL will cause those who have put him into their=20
blocked sender list,=20
to have to see his message.=20

After the troll realizes that no one is reading,=20
or even receiving his garbage,=20
he will become progressively more pathetic and desperate.=20
His pathetic, desperate insults, and childish antics will become=20
quite humorous,=20
but of course no one will see them except the=20
"Designated Driver" for the garbage truck.=20
The "Designated Driver" for the garbage truck,=20
might be tempted to share his amusement with the group, at times.=20=20
This should be done sparingly.=20
Even acknowledging the trolls EXISTENCE=20
might give him the mistaken impression that=20
there is some who is reading his garbage.=20
This could even give him false hope that,=20
if he persists, he might be able to drag someone down to his own=20
level=20
of engaging in childish bickering.=20
The nature of the sadist might even cause this small amount of=20
attention=20
to arouse his passion for strife.=20=20

OF COURSE, the list trolls can create new ID's,
that are not blocked, as long as they like,=20
but that is fine.=20
It only takes one click,=20
with the mouse,=20
to put the new ID in "blocked sender" also.=20
The troll will get ONE POST PER ID.=20
IF YOU REPORT THE TROLL, eventually he will lose each of those ID's.=20

Trolls are a way of destroying freedom of speech.
Read up on the invasive tactics for Information Warfare on the=20
Internet=20=20

visit:

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/misc/infowarDistraction.html

excerpt:
Information techniques
Distraction with irrelevant posts. What better example than the=20
recent porn posts? Discussion is lost in the noise. (In this case,=20
the posts may make the group "appealing" to a new audience, so a=20
small silver lining is that new people can be informed about mind=20
control.)=20
Distraction by voluminous postings with no information by blowhards=20
and empty name-callers. (Can be hard to distinguish from genuine=20
blowhards.) People who wallow in the mud do not need to outdebate=20
you; they only need to drag you down there with them. Kill files can=20
help if your newsreader has them.=20
Planting of provocateurs (and sleeper agents, etc.). These people=20
will vary from the posters who suddenly show up one day under an=20
alias attacking regular posters, to people who seem like regular=20
posters themselves. They may work in teams, supporting each other and=20
giving the illusion of popular support on the net. (Remember, net IDs=20
are basically free, and one person can have many.) As cointelpro=20
showed, there is little that is more poisonous to an organization=20
than to have it tear itself apart from the inside with accusations of=20
moles. (The CIA knows all about this from its own mole hunts.) Moles=20
love to accuse others of being moles; then again, there are real=20
moles. You have to judge for yourself who to listen to or what to=20
believe.=20

Agent provocateur
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
Agents provocateurs are also used against political opponents.=20
Here, it has been documented that provocateurs deliberately carry out=20
or seek to incite counter-productive and/or ineffective acts,=20
in order to foster public disdain for the group and provide a pretext=20
for aggression;=20
and to worsen the punishments its members are liable for.=20
Terrorists sometimes act as agents provocateurs when they seek to=20
provoke government repression that they hope will alienate their=20
potential=20
constituency from the government in question, and thus increase=20
support for=20
themselves (as the opponents of the government in question).=20
In this sense, provocation may be combined with endorsement terrorism.

The reader will notice that no one is named in this discussion.=20
If there is any person; who feels that this discussion accurately=20
describes themselves,=20
that person is invited to comment.=20
--- In DavidIcke@yahoogroups.com, "Gyan" <nutmeg2323@...> wrote:
>
>=20
> What usually happens I think is that when people come to this list=20
and
> read the racist rants, they object to them initially, but after a
> while it's obvious that this is what they want. They literally=20
THRIVE
> on people objecting to them, and the more, the better.
>=20
> They know they wouldn't last long on a moderated group {unless, of
> course, it was a white supremacist type group}.
>=20
> Notice how Patrick still posts articles here but now refrains from
> expressing his disgust at the racism.
>=20
> Gyan
> --- In DavidIcke@yahoogroups.com, "Marsha McClelland" <mofmars3@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I feel the same way Seon but choose to ignore their retardation=20
most=20
> > of the time because they are not worth the time of day...I just=20
skim=20
> > past their pitiful bs usually...Many probably do the same, I bet
> >=20
> > Marsha
> >=20
> > --- In DavidIcke@yahoogroups.com, "Gyan" <nutmeg2323@> wrote:
> > >
> > >=20
> > > Seon, surely you must KNOW that many people on this list object=20
to=20
> > his
> > > vile views. Some people have LEFT this list because it has=20
> > nauseated
> > > them so much.
> > >=20
> > > Unfortunately this is an UNmoderated list and as such - it will=20
be=20
> > a
> > > nesting place for some evil types who would not last more than a
> > > couple of days on any moderated list.
> > >=20
> > > The thing about the likes of the 'Jacob' and 'Jazzi' creatures=20
is=20
> > that
> > > they rely on vigorous objection to their views. The more=20
vigorous=20
> > the
> > > objection, the viler the stuff they post. And it ends up where?
> > >=20
> > > Far better to mostly ignore them, and be glad that they are in=20
the
> > > minority in the 21st century.
> > >=20
> > > Notwithstanding what I have said, I might be tempted to give=20
these
> > > morons a few more serves if/when I am so inclined.
> > >=20
> > > Gyan
> > >=20
> > > --- In DavidIcke@yahoogroups.com, "seon ferguson" <seongf@>=20
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Why doesnt anyone else seem to care that he is posting his=20
evil=20
> > vile
> > > sick hatred? why am I the only one attacking him? is it because
> > > everyone else in this group is as racist as he is? Why am I the=20
> > only
> > > one who thinks he deserves to die a slow and painful death?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>



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            <p>A way of dealing with TROLLS<br>
in groups where the moderator fails to moderate<br>
<br>
Even if the moderator fails to moderate, or if there is no moderator, <br>
it is still possible to report violations of Yahoo Terms of Service <br>
to Yahoo. <br>
Use this address:<br>
<a href="mailto:groups-abuse%40cc.yahoo-inc.com">groups-abuse@<wbr>cc.yahoo-<wbr>inc.com</a><br>
<br>
To view Yahoo Terms of Service visit:<br>
<a href="http://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/utos-173.html">http://info.<wbr>yahoo.com/<wbr>legal/us/<wbr>yahoo/utos/<wbr>utos-173.<wbr>html</a><br>
<br>
You will find this:<br>
You agree to not use the Service to:<br>
<br>
upload, post, email, transmit or otherwise make available any Content <br>
that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, <br>
defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, <br>
hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable; <br>
You might also report the troll to his own internet service provider <br>
for violations<br>
of there &quot;acceptable use policy&quot;. <br>
To identify the troll's internet service provider, <br>
1. click on &quot;full headers&quot; of &quot;view source&quot;.<br>
2. Copy and paste the full headers of the message. <br>
3. Open this page:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.arin.net/index.shtml">http://www.arin.<wbr>net/index.<wbr>shtml</a><br>
<br>
and check each the IP numbers that are shown. <br>
The one that is NOT Yahoo will be the troll's internet service <br>
provider.<br>
4. Use Google to locate the &quot;acceptable use policy&quot; of the troll's <br>
internet service provider, and the address for reporting abuse. <br>
5. Forward the violation to that address WITH FULL HEADERS. <br>
<br>
Totalitarians use misfits to disrupt free speech on the internet.<br>
Vladimir Lenin coined term  &quot;useful idiots&quot; to describe those <br>
westerners <br>
who would assist in building the totalitarian agenda.<br>
<br>
They cannot debate the truth with their lies.<br>
So they just try to drown the truth out.<br>
They get a team of shills to crowd us out with trivia, vulgar gutter <br>
offensiveness, exasperating small talk, and crazy accusations. <br>
<br>
The New World Order trains their &quot;useful idiots&quot; well.<br>
Personal attacks are their general technique. <br>
Watch what happens after this is posted.<br>
<br>
This procedure will destroy the totalitarian'<wbr>s most effective <br>
method of disrupting free speech on the internet. <br>
Trolls; who have seen this procedure work before, <br>
will sometimes leave as soon as this message is posted, <br>
as they already know what is going to happen. <br>
Please pass this around. <br>
Permission to add this to web pages is granted. <br>
<br>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FreedomOfSpeechNow/message/25">http://groups.<wbr>yahoo.com/<wbr>group/FreedomOfS<wbr>peechNow/<wbr>message/25</a> <br>
<br>
What is a Troll? <br>
 <br>
An Internet &quot;troll&quot; is a person who delights in<br>
sowing discord on the Internet. <br>
He tries to start arguments, and upsets people.<br>
 <br>
Trolls see internet communications as<br>
 convenient venues for their bizarre game. <br>
They are actually afflicted with a form a sadism; <br>
in that, they take joy in hurting people.  <br>
A sadist gets sexual pleasure from causing pain. <br>
Quite simply; a troll is a sadist, <br>
who is engaging in the sadist's version of &quot;cyber sex&quot;.<br>
Many trolls are bigots. <br>
Bigotry is a good cover for sadism.<br>
<br>
Trolls feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. <br>
Indeed, the greater the suffering  they cause; <br>
the greater their joy. <br>
For the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows <br>
trolls to flourish.<br>
 <br>
Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism<br>
 (constructive or otherwise).<br>
<br>
Arguing with a troll is like playing Russian roulette with a dead <br>
man. <br>
<br>
The troll's usual reaction to a response will be amazingly similar to <br>
the adolescent phrase: <br>
<br>
&quot;I know you are, but what am I?&quot;<br>
<br>
When the trolls become very desperate for attention, <br>
they will resort to insulting the normal member; <br>
by name, AND IN THE SUBJECT LINE OF THE MESSAGE.<br>
<br>
It is very simple:<br>
We learn who the most effective human rights activists are, <br>
by seeing who the government shills attack. <br>
We learn who the government shills are, <br>
by seeing who attacks the most effective human rights activists. <br>
<br>
Trolls are quite predictable. <br>
Within a few hours of the first time, <br>
that this message was posted , <br>
one of the internet's most active trolls posted a message, <br>
with my name in the subject line, <br>
saying that I am the ultimate troll. <br>
<br>
After this message was first posted,<br>
many people asked if there was a web page; <br>
which gave a list of known trolls. <br>
If you want the trolls to identify themselves, <br>
just post this message, <br>
and see who takes offence, <br>
and pops in to comment. <br>
<br>
It is safe to conclude that if one were to throw a rock into a pen <br>
full of<br>
pigs,<br>
and one of them squealed,<br>
that the one that squealed,<br>
would be the one that you had hit.<br>
 <br>
You cannot negotiate with trolls.<br>
You cannot cause trolls to feel shame or compassion.<br>
You cannot reason with trolls. <br>
Trolls cannot be made to feel remorse. <br>
You can say:<br>
&quot;Why don't you take your silly bickering to the chat room, <br>
and stop filling up everyone's mail box with drivel?&quot;<br>
BUT THEY NEVER WILL. <br>
The reason that the trolls refuse to take their silly bickering <br>
to the chat room is that then everyone would see how few people are <br>
interested in what they have to say, <br>
by the fact that NO ONE would go with them to the chat room. <br>
NO ONE, BUT THE TROLLS, WOULD BE THERE!<br>
ALSO;  then they would not be filling up everyone's mail box, <br>
with drivel; <br>
which is their real goal.<br>
<br>
Trolls do not feel they are bound by the <br>
rules of courtesy or social responsibility.<br>
  <br>
Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think,<br>
 &quot;Surely there is something I can write that will change them.&quot; <br>
But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.<br>
  <br>
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your<br>
 reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.<br>
 <br>
When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. <br>
When you insult a troll, he wins. <br>
When you scream at a troll, he wins. <br>
The only thing that  trolls cannot handle is being ignored.<br>
<br>
Taking out the trash<br>
<br>
There is a scenario; <br>
which repeats itself continuously on the internet egroups. <br>
<br>
A group; which was originally formed for a specific purpose, <br>
loses it moderator, and is taken over by trolls. <br>
The trolls bully the normal members, <br>
and drive many of them out, <br>
with insults and personal attacks. <br>
You could put the troll into your &quot;blocked sender&quot; list, <br>
but then you would not know what he is saying about you.<br>
If the normal members leave then they have turned the list OVER to <br>
the trolls.  <br>
<br>
There is a simple solution:<br>
The list decides on one &quot;Designated Driver for the garbage truck&quot;.<br>
The &quot;garbage truck&quot; is for   <br>
hauling away the trash from list trolls.<br>
<br>
All but ONE member of the list, puts the troll into their &quot;blocked <br>
sender&quot; list.<br>
&quot;Designated Driver for the garbage truck&quot;  <br>
reads the troll's garbage, <br>
and notifies the list, or notifies any individual members PRIVATELY, <br>
of anything that might interest them. <br>
Then the rest of the list can operate at peace. <br>
No one is worried about what the troll in writing about them, <br>
AFTER they put him into the blocked sender list.<br>
No one EVER responds to the troll's message. <br>
If you think that someone might have read the troll's insults and <br>
slander, <br>
then just make a general post, that does not mention the troll, <br>
but addresses his slander. <br>
This should NEVER be posted as a reply to the Troll's message. <br>
Replying TO THE TROLL will cause those who have put him into their <br>
blocked sender list, <br>
to have to see his message. <br>
<br>
After the troll realizes that no one is reading, <br>
or even receiving his garbage, <br>
he will become progressively more pathetic and desperate. <br>
His pathetic, desperate insults, and childish antics will become <br>
quite humorous, <br>
but of course no one will see them except the <br>
&quot;Designated Driver&quot; for the garbage truck. <br>
The &quot;Designated Driver&quot; for the garbage truck, <br>
might be tempted to share his amusement with the group, at times.  <br>
This should be done sparingly. <br>
Even acknowledging the trolls EXISTENCE <br>
might give him the mistaken impression that <br>
there is some who is reading his garbage. <br>
This could even give him false hope that, <br>
if he persists, he might be able to drag someone down to his own <br>
level <br>
of engaging in childish bickering. <br>
The nature of the sadist might even cause this small amount of <br>
attention <br>
to arouse his passion for strife.  <br>
<br>
OF COURSE, the list trolls can create new ID's,<br>
that are not blocked, as long as they like, <br>
but that is fine. <br>
It only takes one click, <br>
with the mouse, <br>
to put the new ID in &quot;blocked sender&quot; also. <br>
The troll will get ONE POST PER ID. <br>
IF YOU REPORT THE TROLL, eventually he will lose each of those ID's. <br>
<br>
Trolls are a way of destroying freedom of speech.<br>
Read up on the invasive tactics for Information Warfare on the <br>
Internet  <br>
<br>
visit:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/misc/infowarDistraction.html">http://www.cs.<wbr>virginia.<wbr>edu/~alb/<wbr>misc/infowarDist<wbr>raction.html</a><br>
<br>
excerpt:<br>
Information techniques<br>
Distraction with irrelevant posts. What better example than the <br>
recent porn posts? Discussion is lost in the noise. (In this case, <br>
the posts may make the group &quot;appealing&quot; to a new audience, so a <br>
small silver lining is that new people can be informed about mind <br>
control.) <br>
Distraction by voluminous postings with no information by blowhards <br>
and empty name-callers. (Can be hard to distinguish from genuine <br>
blowhards.) People who wallow in the mud do not need to outdebate <br>
you; they only need to drag you down there with them. Kill files can <br>
help if your newsreader has them. <br>
Planting of provocateurs (and sleeper agents, etc.). These people <br>
will vary from the posters who suddenly show up one day under an <br>
alias attacking regular posters, to people who seem like regular <br>
posters themselves. They may work in teams, supporting each other and <br>
giving the illusion of popular support on the net. (Remember, net IDs <br>
are basically free, and one person can have many.) As cointelpro <br>
showed, there is little that is more poisonous to an organization <br>
than to have it tear itself apart from the inside with accusations of <br>
moles. (The CIA knows all about this from its own mole hunts.) Moles <br>
love to accuse others of being moles; then again, there are real <br>
moles. You have to judge for yourself who to listen to or what to <br>
believe. <br>
<br>
Agent provocateur<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur">http://en.wikipedia<wbr>.org/wiki/<wbr>Agent_provocateu<wbr>r</a><br>
Agents provocateurs are also used against political opponents. <br>
Here, it has been documented that provocateurs deliberately carry out <br>
or seek to incite counter-productive and/or ineffective acts, <br>
in order to foster public disdain for the group and provide a pretext <br>
for aggression; <br>
and to worsen the punishments its members are liable for. <br>
Terrorists sometimes act as agents provocateurs when they seek to <br>
provoke government repression that they hope will alienate their <br>
potential <br>
constituency from the government in question, and thus increase <br>
support for <br>
themselves (as the opponents of the government in question). <br>
In this sense, provocation may be combined with endorsement terrorism.<br>
<br>
The reader will notice that no one is named in this discussion. <br>
If there is any person; who feels that this discussion accurately <br>
describes themselves, <br>
that person is invited to comment. <br>
--- In <a href="mailto:DavidIcke%40yahoogroups.com">DavidIcke@yahoogrou<wbr>ps.com</a>, &quot;Gyan&quot; &lt;nutmeg2323@<wbr>...&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; What usually happens I think is that when people come to this list <br>
and<br>
&gt; read the racist rants, they object to them initially, but after a<br>
&gt; while it's obvious that this is what they want. They literally <br>
THRIVE<br>
&gt; on people objecting to them, and the more, the better.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; They know they wouldn't last long on a moderated group {unless, of<br>
&gt; course, it was a white supremacist type group}.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Notice how Patrick still posts articles here but now refrains from<br>
&gt; expressing his disgust at the racism.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Gyan<br>
&gt; --- In <a href="mailto:DavidIcke%40yahoogroups.com">DavidIcke@yahoogrou<wbr>ps.com</a>, &quot;Marsha McClelland&quot; &lt;mofmars3@&gt;<br>
&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I feel the same way Seon but choose to ignore their retardation <br>
most <br>
&gt; &gt; of the time because they are not worth the time of day...I just <br>
skim <br>
&gt; &gt; past their pitiful bs usually...Many probably do the same, I bet<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Marsha<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; --- In <a href="mailto:DavidIcke%40yahoogroups.com">DavidIcke@yahoogrou<wbr>ps.com</a>, &quot;Gyan&quot; &lt;nutmeg2323@<wbr>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Seon, surely you must KNOW that many people on this list object <br>
to <br>
&gt; &gt; his<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; vile views. Some people have LEFT this list because it has <br>
&gt; &gt; nauseated<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; them so much.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Unfortunately this is an UNmoderated list and as such - it will <br>
be <br>
&gt; &gt; a<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; nesting place for some evil types who would not last more than a<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; couple of days on any moderated list.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; The thing about the likes of the 'Jacob' and 'Jazzi' creatures <br>
is <br>
&gt; &gt; that<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; they rely on vigorous objection to their views. The more <br>
vigorous <br>
&gt; &gt; the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; objection, the viler the stuff they post. And it ends up where?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Far better to mostly ignore them, and be glad that they are in <br>
the<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; minority in the 21st century.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Notwithstanding what I have said, I might be tempted to give <br>
these<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; morons a few more serves if/when I am so inclined.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Gyan<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; --- In <a href="mailto:DavidIcke%40yahoogroups.com">DavidIcke@yahoogrou<wbr>ps.com</a>, &quot;seon ferguson&quot; &lt;seongf@&gt; <br>
wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Why doesnt anyone else seem to care that he is posting his <br>
evil <br>
&gt; &gt; vile<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; sick hatred? why am I the only one attacking him? is it because<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; everyone else in this group is as racist as he is? Why am I the <br>
&gt; &gt; only<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; one who thinks he deserves to die a slow and painful death?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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