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Are you still there?
Have 140 million for damages filed with anther one for 500 million near
completion.
Let me know your updates.
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Please add my name (as below) and email address to the 'Petition to repeal
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Hi To whom it may concern,

I would like to become a member, how do I sign up, Thanks Shawn West,
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Greetings, we are creating a world ring of webs of the man's discrimination and we would like them to unite to create a world platform of fight. our URL: http://mandefender.freeservers.com

World Ring , webmaster.




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How many signatures do you have for the Father's Manifesto?
Are you really trying for 10 million?
Please e-mail me back to let me know.
Thanks.

Sincerely,
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On your web page at:
http://members.tripod.com/fathersmanifesto/juststat.htm
apparently you misquoted a verse from 2 Timothy 3:8. You
have the following:
"Some of them go into people’s houses and gain control over
weak women who are burdened by the guilt of their sins and
driven by all kinds of desires, women who are always trying
to learn but who can never come to know the truth," - 2
Timothy 3:8

Please direct me to the verse where it states the said
passage.

At any rate, I like your website. If you have a mailing list
please add me to your list.
-Eduardo

 

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Feel free to post if you wish ....


Feminism at work - my story....



If you speak against feminism, expect the wrath of the corporate world. If you do not stand as a man, you'll do fine - it's just that you'll eventually find youself a coward and without dignity.And, I'll say this at the onset, feminism has little to do with sex. Feminism is a philosophy and is the core of socialism - this is why there are so many men feminists as well as women feminists

I began to really see feminism take hold at my job in the early '80's Being an electronics technician for a major corporation, I'd been fortunate inasmuch as women had not really broken into that particular niche of the industry. But when it did, look out. My company made a completely unqualified, non-technical woman, general manager over our crew of men technicians. Just as the cold winter air numbs your hands into a state of uselessness, the compamy propaganda lulled my fellow workers into compliance with this newly injected political correctness.

For whatever reason, I resisted the lie and was even outspoken against it whenever opportunity permitted, being careful to not express my views on company time. The new female general manager used a combination of sexual humor, dress, and flattery to win the comradery of the guys. As long as one responded the way she expected, the better you got along with her - and upper management. Nevermind the fact that her style of management was inefficient, costly, and time-consuming - time-consuming in that we technicians trained her on the job daily by explaining terminolgy, processes, and basically the "how to's" of our trade.

Well guess who was praised by upper management at monthly meetings for "job understanding and innovation"? Meanwhile the company, during what otherwise was an economic boom for the industry, was beginning to loose money after being in postive growth since it's 30 year existence. The cause of the downturn was 1st blamed on this and then that but like 3 blind mice, upper management seemed oblivious to the connection with "her hire and promotion" and incredible inefficiency with the new way we did things. Sure, the guys knew where the loss was really ocurring but their paychecks still came weekly.

On an individual basis, our new leader was skilled. Using the methods I described earlier, she kept the "appearance" of good PR but was pitting one technician against the other with frequent "personal" meetings she'd have in her office daily. The once great morale we technicians had with each other went out the door and replaced with back-biting, gossip, mistrust, and a general breakdown of our once smooth machine.

Barb was "grooming" herself for even higher aspirations in the company. Looking back at it now, it's obvious to me that her plan was to move up quickly enough that the ashes left from her ineptitude in our department would not be realized until she was long-gone into a higher and more isolated position. This method by the way, has become the text-book advancement method for feminists in the work place today.

She was outspoken on women's rights and seldom passed up an opportunity to remind us of that. Soon, seminars on "workplace harassment and improper talk subjects were mandatory. All along, I did my work, operating according to the company's own productivity standard, in the high 90's but stayed away from our new leader as much as possible. She knew it, I knew it - I would not buddy up as the others had done - and for that fact, I was carefully watched.

There came a time, in the course of company chit-chat, when Barb literally boasted about the 3 abortions she'd had. This came in the light of the Reagan years whenever the abortion issue was at it's peak. Rather than talk about the Packers or deer -hunting which comprised a lot of our departmental chat in the past, we found ourselves chatting about social issues with our new leader.

Eventually, we were to see her let down more of her inhibitions as she proudly displayed a half-wall sized "goddess" calender depicting a different New Age goddess for each month in her office. In one year, the whole atmosphere had changed. Our work hours were reduced, bonuses disappeared, technicians hardly spoke to one another, but Barb, our new feminist leader was still praised at monthly meetings for her managerial skills.

Then, all hell broke loose. I had heard one time too many her giddy comments about her abortions. Willing to enter a little corporate disobedience, I posted a magazine pictoral portraying an infant laying in an alley under the doorway of an abortion clinic with the caption, "America's true homelesss." I was making a statement, as she had freely made statements since her arrival. It was the wrong statemnt however. Barb, I was told later by a fellow worker, burst into the lunchroom demanding to know "who posted the clipping!" Someone told her that it was me. She grabbed her purse and stormed out of the office crying.

That was Monday. Friday, I was called into the company president's office. Both the president and vice president gloomly handed me a letter signed by both of them. It read: "Glenn, it has come to our attention that your political and religious comments are unacceptably offensive to our female workers. (This amazed me, I'd had virtually no interaction in that regard to the few female office people employed there.) The letter continued, "We have concluded that these comments are dangerous to both the company and you. We appreciate your technical work but cannot tolerate further behavior of this nature. Furthermore, we believe that you may be suffereing from mental depression and we urgently ask you to seek medical attention and are willing to pay for any costs not covered by insurance." (This really gave me a sick feeling, now they're attaching a "mental" implication to all this.) "We also request that you not report to the office for work from this point forward, but be dispatched from your house to your points of technical service work by two-way radio. Your checks will be mailed to you. We have consulted legal advice and are informing you that this letter represents our warning you as to the ramifications of sexual/gender harassment and that termination may result if this matter is not resolved." I was more shocked, I'd nevr said anything of a sexual nature to Barb, I was married and was not looking to extend myself in those ways. When I asked Bob and Ron for some details to this, Ron got mad, red-faced, and said, "your making our female employees very uncomfortable." In other words, you have your marching orders, enough said.

Well, I was numb as I stood looking down at the letter, and then up again at Bob and Ron. I'd worked there almost 10 years now without a single complaint, on the contrary, letters from customers whose equipment I'd fixed in timely fashion, comments about my considerate personality in emergency situations by customers, and my excellent productivity record filled my personnel file. But, as I came to realize later, these qualities take a back-seat to corporate political correctness. When a feminist launches a complaint against a man, any appearance of equity and fairness is mere appearance - the decision has already been made - if you're a man, you're on shaky ground and odds are 10 to 1, you'll loose that battle.

Another amazing thing, Barb's name was not even mentioned in the letter, yet she launched the complaint following my posting of my own political / religious viewpoint. Her views, 10 mine, 1 . That was the ratio.

Two weeks after the letter, I was working on a radio for an ambulance crew when I got a page to call my supervisor.

I called and Pete said, "Glenn, your paper work on 3 radios you worked on last week is missing some information."

I had quickly determined that 3 radios were not economically feasabe to repair and had documented this on 1 invoice rather than 3 separate invoices - this had always been standard procedure - now it was not, Pete's tone, was not the Pete I'd worked with almost 10 years. Then, he made some complaints about a couple other bogus issues. I knew what was coming down. They's just given it a couple weeks for appearance sake - the decision was made the day that I stood in Bob and Ron's office. I had crossed the feminist line too boldly. I was being pushed out the door.

I calmly said, Pete, I know what's going on, I'll be there in an hour to resign. Pete said solemnly, "ok."

When I arrived at the office, Ron and Pete were standing in the lobby, Pete with eyes down, Ron with tears in his eyes. It's almost as though they were doing something that they had no control over - and, 11 years later, I believe that the feminist propaganda inspired that kind of fear into corporate owners and leaders. I turned over some keys and things, and said "see you guys later." Ron said, "we won't contest your unemployment Glenn, and I'll draft a letter of recommendation."

Well, that was nice but things drastically changed. If I did not suffer from depression prior, I began. I mailed out resumes as fast as I could, got a few interviews but never heard from them again. During the interviews I got the sense that things were going well until the question was asked, "so why were you laid-off after 10 years?" (in an industry that was not laying off).

I cashed in my 401K - a "never do" sort of thing, taking a 40% hit with taxes and penalties just to support my family and pay the bills. I was the only one working. Not being experienced in the self-employment game, I no doubt spun my wheels, made some bad equipment expendatures, but scrambled to do contract electronics work for factories and private industry. I did this for 5 years before getting back into telecommunications and a large corporation. Amazingly, I got all the bills paid, maintained my credit, and am a better and stronger man looking back. I am however, starting all over building a 401K . I'm remarried; yes, the impact was measurable on the 1st one - my kids accept me for who and what I am. I openly express my concerns to them in a way that they'll understand, about feminism and socialism in the education system, even church - the church as a whole has become greatly feminized.

During the 5 year self-employment time, I really became outspoken against the feminist movement as it exists in the work-place (and all places). It's imposible to be outspoken on site and keep your job, but I do plenty of talk and education on my own time. I've offered my ear to other men going through the same thing. Socialism has become one of my investigative hobbies because as I mentioned, is really the root mindset of feminism in my opinion.

So, if you want to know the end result of feminism, study the historical results of socialism.

To readers of this article, remember, in the end, all that you've got is your integrity Don't fall for the lie of propaganda in feminism . You're a man, you've inherently the intellect and wisdom to make better decisions, work more efficiently, and rule your own house.

A myth exists that women are the compassionate ones, especially with children.

Women do not have more compassion and understanding than men. In fact, I believe that men excell even in this realm - a man's sense of compassion takes everything into account including toughness when it has to be there. Mush love and feministic platitudes harm kids, permisiveness (encouraged by feminist thought) ruins kids, feminists running our school system is the underlying reason that some boys are going over the edge and entering into school violence.

Feminism is the cancer in our economy - why? because women don't work efficiently generally speaking, women divide the work-place with distraction, special considerations, and too much emotional input with low-level logical input. At one time, the hiarchial reality of life was a given; men are almost ashamed to be men in our society anymore. We will take back the ground.

Glenn Disney gdisney@earthlink.net




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I have been trying to view the hyperlinks on your page for about a week. Most are not working. Can you fix this?

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I have been having trouble with my wife for years even before our Son was
born. I have always been the peace maker in the marriage willing to go
along with what ever happens to make the marriage work. I was ready to
throw in the towel 5 years ago just before I found out that my wife was
expecting. I wanted to try to make it work because of the child. I had
hoped that this would change her or would calm her down. However, It seem
that the harder I try to be a good father, Husband and provider the more
difficult she becomes. If it were not for my Son I would be out of the
relationship. My Son desperately needs me and I need him. The fact is that
I am so busy trying to stay on top of my job and spend time with my Son that
It is difficult to do the research necessary to prepare for custody of my
Son. I know that the moment that I mention divorce to her she is going to
take my Son and flee out of state. Even if the end result is joint custody
the chances are that the Mothers' home would be the primary residence. In
her case she would do this only for the child support. I say this because
she constantly complains about what a burden my Son is to her even though I
provide well enough for her not to work ( She even has a maid service every
two weeks). She even complains in front of the child. This is only one of
many behaviors that she displays that cannot be good for my Son's self
esteem. For me this is not a marriage but a prison sentence until I can
figure out a way to get out with my Son. I can not bear the thought of my
Son having to grow up without me. He would be devastated and never recover.
His mother would contently have negative comments about me. As I mentioned
earlier she would most likely move back to Parents in an area difficult for
me to find work. The distance would make it impossible to see my Son on a
regular basis. In my opinion this would ruin his life. At the same time I
am a human being and decent man that deserves to have a family, a loving
wife and I would have liked to have more Children. Presently I am reduced
to a yes dear what ever you say dear existence to be near my Son. I have
tried to take some proactive steps to prepare for custody battle. I have
been going into work early 4:00 am most mornings to educate myself. I have
never been allowed to have access to the check book and She would certainly
notice any charges to credit cards etc. I have been skipping lunch for some
time and saving the money but attorneys are quite expensive. I did contact
my Employee Assistance Program and they were able to provide me with some
counseling. I got 30 minutes with an Attorney that pretty much wanted to
roll over and play dead and let her have my Son and pay child support with
no way to insure that these funds would even be used to care for my Son. I
tried to get her to go to marriage counseling with me but after two sessions
( The second one she attended alone at the request of the consular.) she
refused to return or see another professional. She was however willing to
see some friends of hers that had attended a seminar at their church. The
basically told me that I was in it for life and their was nothing I could do
about it. I have been attending counseling sessions provided by my Employee
Assistance Program by myself and without the knowledge of my wife. If she
knew I was seeking help I think that she might take my Son and leave. From
the little bit of research that I have done I am under the impression that
it could be possible to turn the tables on her. If the courts were to order
joint custody and my home were the primary residence of my Son then I could
assure that he was properly cared for. Even though I do not like my Wife, I
realize that she is his mother and I would never do any thing to prevent him
from seeing her. I say this because I know that he loves her. Children
have a tremendous capacity to Love even though we may not deserve it. I
don't think that it is healthily for my Son to witness her fits of rage,
foul language and generally belligerent attitude. I don't want him growing
up thinking that this is normal. We are currently living under the same
roof for the sake of my Son so that I can make certain that he is getting
off to pre-school, eating correctly, brushing his teeth every night, getting
to play out side, getting his bath, bed time story and saying his prayers.
I also make certain that he gets to church on Sunday. When he was born I
took seven weeks off of work to care for him. I changed his first diaper.
I gave him his first bottle. It was the most wonderful time of my life.
She complains each day that she has such a hard life. I would trade places
with her any day. I work hard for my family because it is my responsibility
and I want a family. My Son tells me that his mother doesn't love me any
more and the she wants a new husband. How does a five year old come up with
this on his own? For know I have been able to keep her calmed down and stay
in the house. However, one day I know she is going to take my Son and leave
and if I am not prepared she will ruin his life.

I need help finding an Attorney that will help me fight for custody. Is
there anyone out there that could help find such an attorney in the Houston,
TX area? The West Side of town would be best if possible. The reason I ask
is that it is easy to find plenty of listings but if I make a poor choice
and or are unprepared the results would be devastating to my Son. Once I go
for divorce I pass the point of no return. I want to do everything possible
to insure success. Please excuse any spelling or grammatical errors. I am
very pressed for time and need help!

Best Regards,

M. Clark


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Subject: PETITION: CHILD ABUSE? Prevent this!
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Hello, I thought you might be interested in this petition. Please sign and pass it on... CHILD ABUSE? Prevent this! >From the office of our President... the month of April is proclaimed NATIONAL CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH************ President Bush, Today there is a social worker somewhere in the United States, employed by children's protective services, who is hopelessly overworked and making a serious error in judgement against a parent who has been falsely accused of child abuse or neglect. Falsely accused…by an ex-spouse, grandparent, neighbor or other vindictive individual. Mandated by law, the social worker will question and investigate, regardless of how ludicrous the claim may be. The result may be that an innocent child will be torn from her family, subjected to needless foster care, lengthy interrogations, intrusive physical examinations and unnecessary psychotherapy. An innocent parent may be sent to jail, may be required to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees to defend himself, may risk losing the love of his alienated child and may have his life completely destroyed because of one false accusation. By law, parents can be anonymously accused, and never get to face their accusers. There’s no right to a jury, no right to remain silent, and no presumption of innocence. Worst of all, proceedings are conducted in secret... We, the undersigned, sincerely hope that a new focus in child abuse prevention involves an immediate, public acknowledgement by the President to start working with national children’s rights advocates to rectify these egregious violations against children and their parents. ,From the office of our President... the month of April is proclaimed NATIONAL CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH************ President Bush, Today there is a social worker somewhere in the United States, employed by children's protective services, who is hopelessly overworked and making a serious error in judgement against a parent who has been falsely accused of child abuse or neglect. Falsely accused…by an ex-spouse, grandparent, neighbor or other vindictive individual. Mandated by law, the social worker will question and investigate, regardless of how ludicrous the claim may be. The result may be that an innocent child will be torn from her family, subjected to needless foster care, lengthy interrogations, intrusive physical examinations and unnecessary psychotherapy. An innocent parent may be sent to jail, may be required to spend thousands of dollars in legal fees to defend himself, may risk losing the love of his alienated child and may have his life completely destroyed because of one false accusation. By law, parents can be anonymously accused, and never get to face their accusers. There’s no right to a jury, no right to remain silent, and no presumption of innocence. Worst of all, proceedings are conducted in secret... We, the undersigned, sincerely hope that a new focus in child abuse prevention involves an immediate, public acknowledgement by the President to start working with national children’s rights advocates to rectify these egregious violations against children and their parents.

Click here to sign this petition.

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Hello John:

I feel capturing both perspectives ( that of the fathers and children of
divorce) is worthwhile and obviously very connected. My own mother denied my
biological father any contact with me. It had a profound impact on my life.

Best Regards,
Diane


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March 4, 2001

Comments for the author, Daniel Amneus, of "The Case for Father Custody":

 

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Dear sir, I read your manifesto and agree with you. T.S

 




 

 

 

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John Pastor Dan said you were a very successful business
man and the idea hit me. As you know I have written several
books that I would like to get printed up, but unfortunately
I am totally disabled and have to live on a small government
check.

So I was wondering if you had an idea on how I could
raise the money to get them printed up. There are about 10
that I would like to get printed.

So if you can think of a way that I might be able to
raise the money for printing them I would appreciate it
greately. Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

 

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In article <5ddff73fb0b56e1322b46ec26d85f8d7@anon.xg.nu>,
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> Don't EVER fuck with the Jewish race, Hitler did it and
> now he's dead. The KKK did it and most of their members
> are either dead or in jail. Don't EVER fuck with the Jews.
> They will FUCK YOU UP.

So there is one dead Hitler and 6 million dead jews?

Who do you think won that battle?

John Knight


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PLEASE take the Smartage box off your website. It's infuriating.

Otherwise the site has excellent material.

Do you have a link to www.ukmm.org.uk ?
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Darryl Ward
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From:

Darryl Ward
Signatory #53

Please note that my details have subsequently changed.

My e-mail address is now:

taliesin@paradise.net.nz

I no longer live at 50 Holloway Road,
but my address is now:

54 B Poplart Avenue
Raumati South
NEW ZEALAND

Darryl
Ward


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----- Original Message -----
From: Nickc
To: Nickc
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2000 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: I peace of my heart ripped out

I was so happy untill all this happened to me know I am in a worse position I am not working at the moment and am still studying untill the end of Feb 2001. I have been informed that my legal aid has run out and now I have no money for rent no mony to deffend myself I do not have food in the cuppboards and have now to get ridd of the only thing left my dog. I have never asked for help and indeed have helped out in my life and put others before me. But if I can not see my son thier is nothing in my life. I am sitting here with tears running down my face. I am so ashamed to ask this but if their is any one out there that can help I have been to all the agencys and they all take the side of my wife and I am destitute here. I am not a beging person but any would help as my wifes parents are paying for a good lawer and I now have nothing.

If you can help please send any amount to Nick Coomber, 46 Manning Road, Aberfoyle Park, South Australia, 5159, Australia
I am sorry and so very ashamed to have to ask this I do not know where to turn .
God bless

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Sorry I'm not a Father, I'm a mother but wholly agree with the Father's
Manifesto and so does my husband. In fact I'd like to sport a bumper
sticker saying:

'REPEAL THE 19TH AMENDMENT" and I've got some sisters who want the same; do
you have any for sale?

We also think that voting males should be property owners.

Mrs. John Cianflone Ann@sesi.com

2411 Holt St., Vienna, VA 22180

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I to have been the victim of this separation my wife took my 1yr old son
whom I have look after every day of his life at home. She did what I have
come to understand tell a pack of lies to the police whom have never charged
me and the only thing that was done was put a restraint order on my for the
mother the very next day she left South Australia and drove some 12 hours to
Victoria where the restraint order wasn't in place I then put a return order
in place for her to return. Her defence in this mater was that there was a
restraint order in place against me in South Australia and it would make
things difficult for access she agreed that I had had a loving relationship
with my son and I should relocate to Victoria where the restraint order was
not in place. I was accused of all sorts of things and the registrar said
that I am no threat to the child and indeed the mother has said I have a
loving relationship with my son he also said that the distance that has been
put between us was due to the wife absconding with my child making the
distance impossible for me to have on going contact with my son. She was
ordered to return to the family home where I would have to vacate yesterday
I was told she would not be retuning as she did not want to return to the
house. So I had to undo all the arrangement. The court also ordered we go to
counselling on the 21st of dec and then to court on the 22nd dec with the
view to visitation over the Xmas period. I have never been in trouble with
the police in my life and find all this frighting the Lone Fathers
association have been a great support so much so I want to become active in
the fight to help others in these situations.
I have not seen my son since the night of the 22nd November 2000 and its
like a peace of my insides ripped out I can not contact them to see how he
is etc. the police have victimised me in every way and I could not even stay
in the court to defend myself when the restraint order was put on me. the
Woman police officer whom attended the night of the domestic told me I did
not have the right to be there I had a witness with me and was told to leave
and did so .
I later found out that the police had no right in an open court to do this
and so it was heard in my absents. I have been treated like a criminal in
this mater and I still have no idea when I will see my son again.
I am writing to you to thankyou and every one else that are trying to do
this sort of work to try and give men and women the same rights. I am
applying for full residence and hope and pray I will get it if not joint
custody.
Thankyou once more and I will watch you page with interest
Nick C


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this woman was first a judge, and now the District Attny. in San Antonio. She is ver powerful. has interesting performance record.

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John,

Please change the name to your federal district court in the version that
is contained in the the Jersey.rtf version and then add your name to end..
sign it, and file it.

It's a $5 fee..

We also have a guy that is an expert at this Habeas stuff that is showing
us how to get them to deal with in in 3 days.. or we appeal.. so we'll be
in the Supreme Court by the end of next week.. I filed this last thursday..

Wilbur

 

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Hello,
I greatly enjoyed your webpage entitled "Twenty Nine Phenomenal Federal
Flops" located at http://fathersmanifesto.com/fedgovfail.htm. However, I
would just like to see the sources of the statistics mentioned on the page.
The reason is that I want to show the page to a friend and he is likely to
completely dismiss everything you are saying as lies unless he sees citations.
Keep up the good work. Thank You.

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I, Jose I. Guevara Hereby, agree with the Fathers'
manifesto.Consequently, I Sign it.

 

 


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"I'll Sign" - Sign me up
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I had the vague notion the America started it's decline when women were
allowed to vote. Personally I think only married women or single women who
are property owners should have voting rights. After reading "Repeal the
Nineteeth" I'm now up to speed! Thank you! I support the repeal!

- -Philip Arthur
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will be embraced by an intellectual"

 


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Well said

 

 


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My name is Tony Somerville.

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If you are the organizers of the Petition to Repeal the 19th Amendment, we
should be grateful if you would call WMAL, Washington DC. The Victoria jones
Show would like to intervew the organizer, preferably close to the date of
the original ratification (26 August).

If you are not the organizers, we should be grateful if you would let us know
who they are, and how we may be in touch with them.

The email address to reply to is NOT this one. It is victoria.jones@abc.com.

Alternatively, and in the interests of time, please call 202 686 3020, and
ask to speak with Tom or Michelle (producers) or Victoria Jones.

Thank you very much for your help.

 

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A reason to take the vote from women
By Diana West

Scripps Howard News Service
http://www.bouldernews.com/opinion/columnists/26ewest.html
August 26, 2000

Before I explain why women's suffrage should go the way of the Susan
B. Anthony dollar, let me tell you a story.

One evening last December, 29-year-old Katherine Prudhomme was
driving by a television station in Derry, N.H., where Al Gore was to
hold a town meeting. Prudhomme, a wife, mother and machinist by
training, stopped by to ask if she could attend. Although she wasn't
on the list of "randomly selected" guests, Prudhomme was admitted by
a lady at the front desk, who vouched for her to Secret Service
agents. Prudhomme took her seat.

She had a question she wanted to ask the vice president.

Something you should know about Prudhomme is that she calls herself a
"rape survivor." But she is more than a "survivor," which, while
implying an enduring will, does not connote the interest Prudhomme
continues to take in penal matters.

In a recent interview, Prudhomme discussed some of the work she has
done counseling sex offenders, while keeping an eye on the parole
board decisions that affect them. Little wonder, then, that when
Juanita Broaddrick told her terrible, and, in my opinion, convincing
story of the rape she says she suffered at the hands of then-Arkansas
Attorney General Bill Clinton to NBC's Lisa Myers, Prudhomme was
particularly aggrieved.

That story was what Prudhomme wanted to ask Gore about. "When Juanita
Broaddrick made the claim, which I found to be quite credible, that
she was raped by Bill Clinton, did it change your opinion about him
being one of the best presidents in history? And do you believe
Juanita Broaddrick 's claim? And what did you tell your son about
this?" she asked the vice president.

With this trifecta, Prudhomme broke ground the national press corps
still fears to tread. Gore, meanwhile, seemed suddenly not to know
where he was.

"Well, I didn't know what to make of her claim, because I don't know
how to evaluate that story, I really don't," he began.

He went on to say that he hadn't seen the interview ("Well, which -
what show was it on?"); that he thought there had been "so many
personal allegations" against Clinton that "enough was enough;" and,
as for his own son, he would "never violate the privacy of my
communication" with a family member - major speeches on family
illness, injury and death apparently excepted.

He further stated that "whatever mistakes (Clinton) made in his
personal life" - as if rape is a mistake - "are, in the minds of most
Americans, balanced against what he has done in his public life as
president." And Mussolini made the trains run on time. Here we see
Gore the apologist, or, as Prudhomme says Broaddrick once described
him to her, Gore "the enabler" - villainous roles that link him to
Clinton's villainous deeds.

Now Prudhomme has sought comment from the First Enabler. Last
weekend, she traveled to Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign
headquarters in Manhattan to present Mrs. Clinton with a tape of the
Broaddrick interview in case she, too, had missed it. Accompanied by
a band of leaflet-passing supporters, Prudhomme gave a short,
impassioned speech on 7th Avenue, concluding with one question for
Mrs. Clinton: Do you believe Juanita Broaddrick? She is still waiting
for an answer. Mrs. Clinton, it seems, is too busy trolling for votes
- particularly women's votes.

This week took Mrs. Clinton to Rochester, N.Y., where - what do you
know? - she toured Susan B. Anthony 's home, "invoking the legacy of
the suffragists sic3/8 at every turn," according to the New York
Times, even making an appearance with a 99-year-old former
suffragette. One wonders what that dear old thing would - or could -
make of the Broaddrick story, Gore's evasion and Mrs. Clinton's
silence.

And what of the rest of us? Are voters, particularly women voters,
even aware of the case's significance?

It is no secret that, having been enfranchised for 80 years, women as
a group haven't exactly covered themselves in quiz-kid glory when it
comes to their grasp of national politics. In fact, there is what the
Annenberg Public Policy Center earlier this year called a
quantifiable "gender gap in political knowledge." And it's worse than
the political scientists thought. It's one thing not to know
anything. But it's another to be conned out of one's vote by Al and
Tipper Gore's gruesome lip-lock on the podium of the Democratic
National Convention.

Nonetheless, that kiss and the goopy speech that followed seems to
have gotten Gore a passel of votes. Female votes. All too many gals
suddenly decided Al Gore was "caring" and "sincere" - reason enough,
in my book, to strip us all of our franchise.

Excepting, maybe, women like Katherine Prudhomme.


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My name is John J Ansay. I live at 707 N Wisconsin St.in Port
Washington, WI 53074. I would like to become a signatory on the
petition to repeal the 19th amendment. In fact I was wondering if I
could go around placing copies of this petition in local stores etc.
It's time to reign their insanity in!! Any response concerning any way I
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I'm a father of five children. My wife and I are committed to brining up
our children in a two parent household.

 

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Bob Cheney hasn't seen his son in 10 years. He's currently in jail. He
wrote a letter to his son, which I have posted at

ftp://www.thefaceof.com/pub/Cheney/boblettertowindsor.htm

But why is Bob in jail? He had filed kidnapping charges about not seeing
his son, against the law. But why is he in jail? Because he's a father?
Bob had lost his job, and then was run over by a truck, and crippled, but
they said that he wasn't paying his child support, and put him in jail. He
went on a hunger strike, to try to draw attention to these actions. He
felt like he had nothing left to give his son other than to try to fight
off the monster that has prevented him from seeing his son for 10 years.
So he went on a hunger strike for 65 days, and at the edge of dying, the
Sheriff let him out on a sheriff's release. 55 days later, since he had
been eating, and since they make money off having his body in cell, they
took him back in again. Bob went back on the hunger strike, and this time
put him in a cell, cranked up the air conditioner, and took away all
blankets etc. Being on a hunger strike, of course he got sick, and at 72
days of his hunger strike, almost dead, the Sheriff came to him and said,
"If you just let the new father adopt the kid, this is over for you."

Bob thought about it a lot. As Dan Bailey pointed out, they had already
taken his son away, so why would he suddenly not be quilty of whatever
crime they said if he allowed his Cheney name to be taken away? But after
a couple days, he refused, and on the 75th day they let him out. After
all, it wouldn't be PC for him to have died in the jail.

So Bob, with steel in his legs from being run over by a truck, and very
weak from the hunger strike and the cold, was let out. He tried to figure
out why they were doing this to him. He struggled to recover his strength
and belief in the good of society. All he wanted was to see his son.
Suddenly Butte County started coming after him again. They claimed that
they could arrest him without a warrent, but Bob called up the TV station,
and Brad Rhundt called up the local police, and the local police decided
that they didn't want to break down Bob's door without a warrent in front
of a camera crew. That was May. 1998. Bob found out from Carl Anderson
that a "Bill of Particulars" would require the county to tell him why they
were coming after him, as they had not served him with any papers or basis
to their actions.

The Bill of Particulars is at

ftp://www.TheFaceOf.com/pub/Cheney/CheneyBillOfParticulars.exe


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Dear Father's manifesto,
I would just like to say that you have my support. I run an web site which
is critical of feminism, and I have linked your site. I especially liked
your perspectives on female judges, education, and false rape charges; it
caused me to think of anti-feminist ideas in a new light.
I also see that some people have criticized your use of statistics. I am
wondering how you answer people who say that you are misusing the numbers.
Good luck.

http://www.stanford.edu/people/john1/SCF.html

John Gibbs
john1@stanford.edu

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You are perfect with your posts, Mr. John Knight. My congratulation. Keep that
way and re the Prof. Kent, read about inclinations of another, similar one,
below.
With respect - Ted Pioro.

WATCH GOYIMS

Since the San Diego Weekly Reader in 1972 has been established with current
circulation about 400,000 free of charge I am its frequent peruser but did not
pay much attention to the column Sheep and Goats by Abe Opincar until I read
the book Adolf Hitler - Founder of Israel/Israel in War - with Jews, printed
by Modjeskis' Society in 1997.

On its page 142 there is a note which I would like to cite:

"Yahve is observing Goyims through eyes of certain Jews, one of whose under
the title Old- Fashioned Hatred TV (Reader, July 7,1996) assures that he is
tracking their ‘enemies'. Two week later this TV commentator got a reprimand,
which is quoted here in full: ‘CLANDESTINE FORCES - Mr. Abe is advising what
pursuers of ideologies advice: ‘let your enemies keep talking so you can keep
careful track of who and where they are'. Then clandestine forces of fascists,
communists, dictators etc., will do a ‘cleansing', and afterward people will
posthumously decorate their martyrs. Under communists and fascists regimes,
where I was happy to live, it was standard policy that if you were not with
them, you were against them. As an American Mr. Abe must rather choose a
peaceful persuasion that any ideology (even the biblical one - ‘an eye for an
eye, a tooth for a tooth') is a scourge of humankind. In order to eradicate
it, the Founding Fathers of this great nation created a Constitution which
everyone shall obey. Publisher."

It seems to me that after the reprimand Mr. Abe get off a coach and instead of
watching TV went into the rich field of over 800 San Diego's various
denominations and through the period of 1996 up to this week penetrated, or
better to say, surveilled 170 of them as an analysis "who and where the
enemies are".

In order to be more exact and thus of assistance to a reader and an easy prey
for 20 Synagogues here, I do take a pain and cite a few excerpts of Mr. Abe's
column of February 24, 2000:

"Denomination: American Baptists Churches U.S.A.. Address: 4764 Santa Monica
Avenue, Ocean Beach; 619-223-7187. Year founded locally: 1913. Senior Pastor:
Dr. Chris Turner. Congregation size: 125. Staff: one full time. Church school
enrolment: 40. Annual Budget: $152,000. Weekly giving: $2900. Singles program:
no. Diversity: predominantly white. Dress: casual. Services: Sunday worship -
traditional service, 9:00.a.m.; contemporary service, 10:30 a.m..... Wander
around Ocean Beach any weekend afternoon and you feel as though you've
stumbled into a seaside Shangri-La. You can walk for blocks without seeing
anyone much alder than 20. Almost everyone Almost everyone rides a skateboard,
or at least know how..... The church is a member....of the more liberal
Baptist denominations, the kind that often gets drowned out by the Southern
Baptists fanfare.....The church's aging core membership...Pastor Chris Turner
encountered when he came to (the) First Baptist five years ago.....When I
first got here there were only about 60 members, and the 30 or so people you
see at the 9:00 a.m. service are the survivors of that original group. It was
an older group. There was a natural attrition. People passed on. If we didn't
do something to make the church relevant to the neighborhood, we were going to
continue on like that, smaller and smaller, until we just died out....We've
tried to steer away from formal programs because we felt that people wanted to
have a relationship with their church, people wanted to have interaction with
others.....What we're starting in March is a concert on Sunday nights. The
focus, again, is on young people, on bringing them into the church. We're more
on the liberal end of the Baptist conservative-liberal spectrum. For example,
we don't understand all the Bible as being literal. Definitely some parts are
metaphorical. We're definitely open to trying new things. At our Sunday-night
concert we're going to have all kind of music....I don't care whatever it is,
as long as it contains a message about Christ and brings kids closer to him
and to the church." - Abe Opincar."

For what a purpose surveillance of churches serves, one may imagine freely,
particularly in conjunction with attacks on them country wide with no respect
to their constitutional rights to exist.

John Maxwell, San Diego, February 26, 2000

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i'll sign

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I'll Sign. How do I sign up?

John Rink
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I would like to join Joel

 

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Good Morning:

We now have 2 million prisoners in the land of the free, and with the mad
rush to judgement, mostly because of the tremendous numbers incarcerated in
the name of the drug war, many innocents are being caught in the injustice
system. This just has to stop.

On Feb 15th 2000, there will be prison vigils across the land sponsored by
the November Coalition, supported by a variety of groups concerned with
prison issues, and organized by people like you and I.

Florida supporters and inmate families will hold vigil from noon until 3:00
at Starke Prison near Gainesville FL on Feb 15th to mourn the loss of honor
and compassion that makes America the leading jailor in the world.

Please stand with us to show Jeb Bush and all the nation's governors and
legislators that the good people of our country care about even the least
among us.

Directions To Starke:
From East: SR-16, 11 miles west of Starke on left. Go through
archway, circle to left, Administration Building (Red Brick) behind parking
lot.

From North: (Macclenny) SR-121 south approximately 17 miles to SR-16 (before
town of Raiford). Turn left onto SR-16. Go approximately 3 miles, cross New
River Bridge. The Institution is on the right.

From South: US-301 north approximately 35 miles to SR-16 (Raiford Road)
(West), go approximately 11 miles. The Institution is on the left.

From West (Lake City): SR-100
approximately 23 miles to SR-121 (Lake Butler), turn left, go approximately
6 miles, just outside town of Raiford turn right (east) onto SR-16. Go
approximately 3 miles, cross New
River Bridge. The Institution is on the right.

For more information contact me at 321-253-3673.

Kay Lee, Director

 

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I just wanted to say... I worked with Victor Smith at DADS for years in
Portland (at least, that is, when I could handle the guys' and my own pain).
This is what I learned - one could be completely successful in the political
arena, as we were in Oregon, and still come away with nothing. The law has
no meaning to those who deem to rule over us, and they have no concept of
right/wrong, justice, etc. I mean to say that the solution is not to be
found in any kind of political activity, and political movements have a way
of just rolling over and crushing individuals. What I learned from Victor's
example is that we can most help people who are suffering by being kind to
them, listening to them, and affirming their lives. True, this isn't
glamourous work and it has little chance of making the history books, but it
is a way that we can make a difference. All these disagreements seem
counterproductive to say the least. This is the failure of our movement -
that everyone wants to be El-Supremo of nothing, rather than be a foot
soldier in the greater battle and for the greater good. MS Bill Prout

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Just thought I'd let you know I was happily functioning for a year as a
single father after my ex took off with a friend of mine, moved out of
state, and left me with the kids. The kids thrived. I was doing fine. We
had a trial on the same subject in December, with the same judge that gave
me temporary custody, and after getting a guardian ad litem's report that
the kids still belonged with me, he turned around, and gave them to my ex.
What am I to do?

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Subject: Fatherhood .....as in the Father of Elian
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Senator John McCain, (Not for President!)

COMPLAINT !

Because you have used your position in the news media
to take the time to speak out against returning Elian to
his Father, you have shown that you are one of the remaining
anti-father bigots in the Senate, and not worthy of the Presidency.

Perhaps you are still of the belief that this is the 1980's, and that
taking an "Anti-Father" stance will win you favor with the voters.

Fathers are voters too, while we have our differences as voters,
we are united on the idea that FATHERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO
HAVE CUSTODY of their own children.

The Father/Child relationship is "Sacrosanct" and your public
stand in the media has shown that you have no respect for
the "Father/Child" relationship.

Therefore, I consider you unfit for public office, and certainly the
Presidency. In the future I will urge all fathers not to vote for
you, and in fact "dump" all of your political efforts.

From here on out consider your future Political efforts are a waste of time

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Ever wonder about the APA's recent endorsement of "Deconstructing the
Essential Father"? Or worse yet, the ill-fated, anti-child, anti-family
position on pedophilia? Whether you agree with, or believe in Christianity
or not, there is a rather FASCINATING link to Freud (the "father" of modern
Psychology) and other philosophers and their pervasive HATRED of fathers.

It's no wonder that the Psychological industry tends to draw to its ranks
those who need couches themselves who then set about to push their own
anti-father agendas.

Bill Wood

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simple, you don't have a mom who communicates. dad's are open, mom's are not.
look where the problem lies.

 

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Richard Bennett wrote:

> [snip]

> Trapping women in abusive marriages is not a winning issue.

We must make sure that people don't believe this bogus myth one bit. As Braver
points out in his book, the overwhelmingly majority of women who initiate
divorce don't do so because they are "trapped in an abusive relationship," but
simply because they became bored, felt they've "grown apart," etc.

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http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20000105/ts/cuba_boy_24.html

Wednesday January 5 9:43 AM ET
Cuban Boy's Father Granted Custody

WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. immigration officials have decided that

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On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Richard Bennett wrote:

> John Knight says:
>
> > Bennett claims all he wants is:
>
> >> Presumptive joint custody, reasonable levels of child support and
> >> alimony, and court processes and procedures that emphasize
> >> mediation over litigation. It's a pretty simple agenda.


Bennett:

1) Presumptive joint custody means mother custody in almost all cases.
2) There is no such thing as a "reasonable" level of CS and alimony,
because, by definition, it is slavery.
3) Mediation over litigation does not remove the government from the Holy
Family and still costs money.

This pretty simple agenda of yours wreaks. It's putting a bandaid on an
open, sucking flesh wound.



>
> > You are insane, Bennett. Your agenda is to establish exactly what
> > had already been established in the land of fruits and nuts almost 3
> > decades ago, and which is been a proven failure each and every step
> > along the way. The divorce rate doubled since this stupid policy was
> > implemented, which by itself is proof of its insanity. Add the
> > increased illigetimacy rate to it and you have criminal insanity.
>
> OK, John, you're right: I must be insane to try and argue common
> sense with someone who has a demonstrated distaste for it.
> Nonetheless, others are on this cc: list, so for their sake, I'll just
> point out the following:


NO, common sense is presumptive father custody. That will definitely
reduce divorce, get the government out of family business, and the fruits
will be higher achieving, better behaved children. All studies point to
this.



>
> No state has ever implemented the full set of proposals I outlined
> above. To the extent that they have been implemented, however,
> we've seen a decline in the divorce rate and we've seen children
> emerge from divorce somewhat less scarred than they would have
> otherwise. So we continue to press this agenda because all the
> evidence suggests that it's the best and most practical choice
> available.


Produce this evidence please. What kind of decline in the divorce rate?
How do you measure "somewhat less scarred" children?



>
> The "solution" you propose is not really a solution. If it were, you
> would be able to pass this one simple test: Find a lawmaker, any
> lawmaker, in any jurisdiction, who's willing to write a father custody
> bill. The bill would be debated, and it would attract lots of attention
> from the media. There are 120 legislators in Sacramento, California,
> and 535 in Washington, DC. If your ideas are sound, you will not
> only succeed in finding a sponsor for your bill, it will pass and the
> world will be a better place.


It is very difficult to find a lawyer willing to cut off the feeding
trough. That does not make the idea unsound. Lawyers are part of the
problem, and they profit greatly off of familial misery. Why would they
want any changes? It sounds like they won't even support your rinky-dinky
agenda that basically keeps the status quo.



>
> Until you succeed in finding a sponsor for a father custody bill,
> please don't waste my time with all these rants and raves about
> Internet polls and manifesto petitions. These are completely
> meaningless exercises, and we all know that.

I see, instead propose more bureaucracy that doesn't get off the ground
anyway and ultimately maintains the status quo? Good idea, Bennett.

Nick



>
> RB
>
> > Furthermore, no state which ever tried to implement your "solution"
> > has ever made it work. Each and every one failed, and you know it.
>
> > Thirdly, you can't point to a single instance in 3 million years of
> > humanity, nor amongst 5 billion people on the planet today, where
> > your "solution" worked, works, or ever could work. Insanity--you
> > don't have the mental capacity to comprehend simple facts, much less
> > to "enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction"
> > which resolves the problem.
>
> > The presumption of father custody works today in 75% of the world.
> > It worked on this continent for 500 years, until half a century ago,
> > when fools tried to jam "gender equality" down America's throat.
> > There is NO theory about this--it is the fundamental principle on
> > which this nation was founded.
>
> > John Knight
>


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Please contact me. Your story is so typical of whathas happened to my grand children. I need someone to talk to. Someone to point me in a direction to stop this insanity

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I to have been punished by the court system for being a male. I love my son but
have been unable to see him because of the stringent court ordered visitation,
custody, and support issues. I have no history of abuse, child or spousal, but
have had supervised visits for over two years. It is absurd. Let me know what
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My home number is (909) 629-3657 thanks, Troy A. Mance`

 

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John, are you out there? How are you doing? Do you still
have an email list? If so, read the following, get your boys and
girls together, and charge!!! ;-)

Aw, c'mon, for old time's sake!

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Dear Reiner,

There are many people in this world who truly believe that if you are not like they are, then something is "wrong" with you - you need to be punished or ignored, or stomped on or discriminated against in some way. This is an ignorant display of primitive man, in my view. And, I believe, this kind of thinking is one of the primary reasons we are seeing such injustices on earth today. So, your words are well-spoken and hopefully well-taken by everyone who reads them. Death penalty is barbaric. It is "wrong" thinking, because revenge is counterproductive in every way thinkable. Besides, revenge isn't "Our's" anyway - it is God's. So when human beings start thinking they can take God's job, they are sadly mistaken, as well as highly arrogant. I keep hoping that in the new millenium, mankind as a whole will evolve into humane creatures. I think it is an indictment on our species that mankind is still as barbaric as it was in the dark ages.

Blessings,
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Dear friends,
take a look, and let`s support this man in anny way we can!
God bless you all
Love

Reiner Stensgaard Goldau
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Thought you might like to check out this site I found. Tell me what you
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Http://cashandgrants.tripod.com

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I would like to sign the petition but would like to have my name reserved
like the many others on the list. Would you please assure me of this?
Also, how many signatories do you need to get this proposed?


Nathan Stevens

 


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Subject: Re: ACFC: Who causes child abuse, and when?
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:10:15 -0700
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The problem with this report is that it appears to have been doctored.

Groups who support the Failed Political Concept of Joint Custody
are expressing this information in non-gender terms, perhaps to
misrepresent the truth about two parent families.


The fact is that for years it has been a matter of record that
Mothers are at least twice as abusive to children as are Fathers.

DADS has collected this information for some 20 years and first
published this kind of information back in 1977.

The abuse rate of mothers of 2-1 over Fathers appears to be
true in all states keeping such records. (some do not keep records
that way. i.e. Fathers and Mothers)

The problem with Joint Custody advocates is that they are suggesting
to Fathers to enter into a Joint Custody relationship with mothers when
the statistics suggest that she may be twice as likely to be an abuser.

Again Joint Custody advocates have it wrong.
Why should a father share joint custody with an abusive mother ?

See the New Legislation offered by members of Congress:
The Fatherhood Court act for 1999
at ... http://www.dadsusa.com



Victor Smith, DADS
Promoting Father Custody, because

 


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Dear John

I do agree that we need to acknowledge her work, but specifically what would you
like to see.
Any suggestions?

Martin Douglass



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It is post decree, I am not under a protective order, there are visitation
orders even orders for telphone contact all which the mother is in violation.
My daughter has been refused access not only to me but to her sister,
brother, and grandparents. I have been to court many times and spent my life
savings on trying to get the court to enforce their own orders but they never
do. visitation of noncustodial parents and family are not considered
important. My daughter hasn't even been allowed to go to her brother or
sister's high school graduations, college graduations or her sister's
wedding. This is a very bad situation.. The court just doesn't care and
because they allowed the mother to move my daughter from her home state it
has made it almost immpossible. I cannot tell you how many airline tickets I
have purchased for visitation that were never used because the mother took
the tickets and then didn't use them. If we try to call and talk to my
daughter my ex-wife's boyfriend answers the phone and then hangs up.

How much more do you want to know.

If the court has no respect for it's laws or court orders and rewards bad
behavior this is the result....

Claude Strass
580 SE Fairways Ln.
Ocala, Florida 34472
352-680-0124

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Dear Paul,

Indeed, this is NOT a male-controlled world. If it were, families would be kept
together, instead of a majority of divorces being initiated by wives who either
want to get out of marital responsibility or who make up stories of abuse
against good and loving husbands just to get alimony/child support.

If it were a male-dominated world, we wouldn't have the highest incarceration
rate of both males and females in the world. We also wouldn't have the concept
of dead-beat dads and welfare mommies, because good men never would have allowed
that to happen. Good men would have married good wives with good marriages and
good children. Try finding that anywhere nowadays, when the NORM is the Single
Mother Household.

If what I am saying is anti-woman, then how come I get along with the majority
of women at my new church? How come thousands of women are now left without the
stronger, more protective men they badly need to survive, and are now realizing
this? How come so many women are being physically damaged or even killed
because of botched abortions NOW seek to legalize? How come so many men no
longer seek to marry or even date women at all, when they know that they could
be incarcerated on FEDERAL ABUSE CHARGES just for giving a woman "The silent
treatment"?

I am not anti-woman. I want nothing more than to be a good husband to a future
wife or a good father to my future children. But thanks to NOW, GLAAD, NGLTF,
the World Council of Churches, and the Federal Government, I cannot be married
to an American woman any more. If I am, I run the risk of being not only
accused of being an abuser, but incarcerated without an investigation and
without any weapon being used or beating given, thanks to the Violence Against
Women Act of 1994. A new bill giving this VAWA more teeth is sitting on the
House Judiciary Committee's Crime Subcommittee floor. May it die there.

Now, also as regards my Promise Keepers membership -- where does Promise Keepers
ever say we must dislike women? Our commitments (see www.promisekeepers.org)
include the fair and ethical treatment of women, especially wives and daughters.
Please check out our 7 commitments on our website.

Also, please check out the following two websites:
www.tnom.com and www.now.org. TNOM is The National Organization for Men, NOW is
"NOW". TNOM actually comes out for pro-family causes on their website, with
their stated purpose being the preservation of the family. NOW comes out as
anti-family, pro-lesbian, and anti-Promise Keepers.

We need Godly men, and the United Methodist Church is sadly not producing them.
Also please read 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 11. That will dispel any notions
concerning the equality of men and women, especially in ecclesiastical matters.

It is more hateful and damning to women to allow them to separate from their
families based on economic, social, and gender issues, than to shelter them in
protective homes because they really are abused.




Not of this world,


Richard C. August

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John,

Cathy Young does a very good jog also.

Jeff Edwards
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Count me as one of the supporters of this statement.

David R. Huisjen Jr.
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Dear Fathers' Manifesto,

I want to let you know that there is now a False Accusations of Rape webring on the net. If you would be interested in submitting your site, the submission form is at www.leswhaley.org/webring.html.

Carolyn Flores
cflores@spiritone.com
www.leswhaley.org
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John:

Generally, I agree with the analysis/sentiments.

However, regarding: "IV) This creates and supports fatherlessness which
is the industrial world's worst crisis, "... I suppose this depends on
which side of the capital/labor divide you're standing (or crawling).

Mike Bellesfield
OF FREE WILL, AND OF SOUND MIND.

 

 


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We attempted to file a suit based on constitutional violations of the equal protection law. This was in regard to my husband being ordered to pay 100% of all college costs, including tuition, books, fees, dorm costs etc. plus child support until age 22. His ex is a RN just as we are. The Mo. Supreme Court ruled against a similar suit and they dismissed our suit here in circuit court.

My husband is now unable to work due to a second major back surgery and she has already filed against him. This "child" will not even speak to her father and we live in the same small town. Oh and the real kicker to all of this::: he must pay at Missouri University rates regardless of where they go, scholarships, grants and loans do not count but are money in the kids pocket and while we pay for dorms we must also pay the mother "child support". What is wrong with this picture?! Oh and our little 7 and 8 year old boys were called in open court by Judge Sam Jones NONFACTORS. Are we angry?! YES> WE'D LOVE TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD CHANGE THINGS!!!!! Thanks Jerry and Edna Nelsen.

Our address:jnelsen@sofnet.com

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Data can be interpreted anyway anyone wants to look at it.

Religion has nothing to do with it......bad parenting has everything to do
with it. If the people having children would take some courses on how to
parent they might turn around the trend that is taking over the country.
Today many children and parents won't take responsibility for their actions,
they blame everyone for their problems. This is the cause, not anything
remotely to do with religion.....an atheist can be a good parent. And a good
christian can be a bad parent. If we have more good parents who teach their
child responsibility, we will have less social problems, less bigotry, less
discontent and a better country to live in.

 

 

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From: "REINER STENSGAARD GOLDAU" <goldau@get2net.dk>
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Dear John,

thank you for this!
Well the system in Denmark is...what man/woman/child is abaut like in all other
Countrys, unfair!
Woman who are against their husbobd are almost them who get the right in court
and also in cases about children. In Denmark whenn parents are divorced the
mother will automaticly have the children.
The man has automaticly to pay!, to move, to....

Ther is an organisation in Denmark called FAR, Father, I dont know where, I only
know they fight to change the law on this area!

Look at Sweden, whenn mom and dad get divorced the court says: Your child has
the right for BOTH parents, You mother cann not do annything that YOU daddy
can`t se your child!
BUT YOU DADDY can' t sat:-I dont want to se you my child! It is what you
shal...iff you denie to se your child you wil come to the court!-
This is what we fight for in Denmark, the same law as in Sweden, Norway is on
the way!
Denmark needs a lot!
As soon a mother say:-Her daddy abuse here...rape here...- the father loos all
rights and get to jail!
Women use this lot times, the law know it, but often it's right...sad enough, so
the law says:-Guilty until ...- to protect the child!-
But!!!- whenn the police find out the mother just told it for the only reason
that daddy dont has to se the child, she wil be punishd werry hard by the law!
Off course, because even the truth now is out...she destroyed the mans job,
friendship etc...and lot people say:-But something must be so....!-

Thats Denmark!

We have normaly a werry fair system like I wrote before, and I surely believe we
have the best system in the world, but sometimes justice is blind!

The family in Denmark fight this years more and more with financial problems,
1)Ewrything is more and more expensive
2)Our tax is 42-40% of our income
3)Each time we buy something there is 25%tax in the price
4)Alcoholproblem are high because lot people are withou work, and rasistic
parties who also are represent in our "Folketing" (Like your congress) named
"Dansk Folkeparti" "Fremskridtspartiet" are growing...it`s make me sick...the
reason for the danish mans problems, finaly the familyproblems are "the
moslems"...so they call all people from outside our country.

And we se how man kill theire wifes...no, it dosnt happen so often in Denmark,
thanks God, but normal its only a bigg storry whenn a man from a other Country
kills his wife in Denmark...
For some weeks ago a danish man, he was sick and also violence, his wife had a
new man: and here exman found out the address, set fire on her place and shut
here whenn she tryed to escape!

How to explain: -The reason for this...the hospital should not let him go on
weekend! - the opinion was!

Most problems in Denmark to day are coming because the jobs are so hard to find,
and the money little; no one has to live on the street whenn they dont want it,
no one has to hunger; our welfaresystem is werry, werry good!
Sometimes unfair, I know that werry well, but works it after the law, than we
have the best welfare system in the world!

We se single mom, single dad who get lot help from the socialsystem, and I get
also lot help for my daughter who is 1and a half year, after I get cancer and
was retired from my job.
The unfair in this is, I cant get help for medicals for me...iff I was a woman I
got the help!...my wife and I has lot financial roblems because of that. Butt
o.k. we are christians..it's a bigg help in our life! Smile!

So...
I just know, our problems in Denmark are werry, werry small;
you may ask me what ewer you want; I wil, yes I will, learn ewrything about your
law-system...just because my work against the death-penalty whjere we help lot
people, innocent people, and familys off victims,
I dont understand the US law, in my eyes it's look so sick sometimes; the
american dream is in my eyes only for the rich people!?

Well this is it for now...
Se you soon again!

God bless you
Sincerely
Reiner


Med venlig hilsen
Dorte, Mathilde og Reiner Stensgard Goldau
The International Bannister Foundation - Denmark
Tingg�rden 49, st.th
DK-7500 Holstebro
Denmark

Phone: +45- 97-407628


http://www.banfound.u-net.com/index.htm
The International Bannister Foundation

http://maxpages.com/Bannister

 

 

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You may want to link to http://www.tdprs.com.

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To: Mr. John W. Knight, III

John,
You have given me a bit of hope that may allow me to get through a
few more days. You see, I've lost my dear 19 month old son to the horrible
Family Court system. His mother demands a certified check for $1000 just to
see him one more last time.

Since I'm the parent who mostly cared for him, he is very tightly bonded to
me, makes this very evident, and his mother resents it. Previous to her
recent $1000 demand policy, we had been sharing him over the past three
months since she left. When I would pick him up he would snuggle up tight
to me and give me a powerful hug. But he screams and struggles when I give
him to her. This has been occurring on a consistent basis for the past six
months (even when we previously lived together). Since this occurs every
time we exchange him, I actually have this behavior caught on video tape.
He acts like he hates her. Being a very serious narcissist she is
insensitive to his or any other person's needs. Thus, in her care he is
often cold or sweating hot, hungry, raw on the behind from sitting all day
in his business, etc... But I'm sure this means nothing to the court.
Since I would not pay her back taxes and credit card bills she left with
someone who she suspects can be charmed into taking care of such things.
He's a career criminal who has threatened my life. I've turned him in to a
bunch of federal agencies, so it won't be long before he tries to "terminate
me with prejudice".

At this point I'm starting to liquidate my meager holdings and am preparing
to either leave the U.S. or commit suicide. I'll quit my job of 22 years.
But I will not die until I've ensured that she cannot get her hands on my
assets. If I leave anything in a trust for my son (available after he's age
25) she will probably kill him to get her hands on it. I'm not sure what to
do with my assets, maybe I'll give what little there is to charity.

Ah, such is life in Clintonian America.

Before I recently lost 99% of my strength, I was considering filling two
class action lawsuits against my home state. One on behalf of fathers, the
other for children. I have no problem articulating arguments about loss,
but I had yet to learn how to get around Minnesota's sovereign immunity.
However, you seem to have some US code referenced that may do the trick.

How certain are you about the efficacy of statutes 42 USC � 1983 to 28 USC �
2283, anti-injunction provision for equitable relief?

By the way, I was pondering the relevance of the anti-slavery statutes
myself, so I was elated to see that you included them. Your suit is an
incredible piece of work. It looks like it took something like five years
to prepare. If anything comes of it you would become an American hero.

Many of my arguments are included in your suit, but I've got in mind a few
very life-changing points that I did not find in your work.

I'd really like to speak with you on the phone, or can you please post
status updates about your suit? I'm not sure how long it will take to clean
up my affairs before I depart, so I may be around for awhile.

By the way, I initially considered fighting this, but every lawyer told me
that its hopeless, regardless of her behavior or care of my son. The
thresholds for bad behavior are set way too high. They could not care about
who my son is bonded to. Also, I have a long agenda of things that I wanted
to teach my son, save for his college, etc... but they don't care about such
matters. Living with a stupid mom and her boyfriend of the month is just
what they want, and all financed by me.

Hey, you know what? I know that she's already had sex in front of my son on
numerous occasions. I suppose that's encouraged by the system since it
promotes her sexual freedom and expression.

Please respond if you care to.

Thanks for listening,
Mark Clemmons
mark.clemmons@mts.com

 


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I too believe that fathers are being forced out of their childrens lives.
I work with non-custodials. Sign me in

Susan Meehan




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I had just signed your Father's Manifesto, but after reading this, about repealling the 19th, I am having some second thougths in associating with your organization. I don't believe that women's suffrage has anything to do with feminism, but instead, allows the opportunity for my future pro-family, pro-God, pro-life, pro-USA wife to cast her vote alongside her man and stand in the gap for our children and country's sake. She will be just as capable of making a well-informed, educated vote as I am. She, like I, also has civic responsibilities to uphold as a citizen of this Blessed land.
You can unsign me from your manifesto, for I am too dissapointed with what your organization advocates in repression of the God-given rights of my future wife.

Sincerely

Mark Anthony Cabrera

PS - I appreciate the respect in the wisdom and accomplishments of our Founding Fathers, but don't take everything they do/say as 5th Gospel: Jefferson and Franklin were very promiscuous and Thomas Paine was an athiest.




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Dear John,
History is 'his story'.
The Bible was written by men--your group might particularly enjoy Paul.
Anyway, peace to you and yours. You are in my prayers, for all our sakes.
Kathy



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Very few people want "equality." If you interrogate them, you will find that
"equality" means "I want to be treated specially." The excuse given goes along
the lines of "...I been disciminated against/oppressed/abused, etc., so I must
be given special treatment to become equal." That's affirmative action in a
nutshell.

True equality means work - hard work.

-John Smith ancpr.org




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Please put me on your mailing list.
Pat Price

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Guys,

I am becoming a signatory to the Declaration.

Signed,


Richard C. August

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--------
>From: christopher.hall14@gte.net
>To: gheinze393@aol.com
>Subject: need advice
>Date: July 26, 1999
>
>I am a 21 year old unwed father. Soon I must go to mediation with the mother
of my son. I don't even know
>what to expect. I've got a call into my lawyer for details. My son's mother
is trying everything to block my
>joint legal custody and visitation while milking me for support and back
support . I need help although I have
>a lawyer @$125 an hour and can only afford so much. I don't seem to get
information in a very timely or
>effective manner from him. Maybe I'm too anxious. I initiated paternity
proceedings and have paid for DNA
>so far. The mother of my son just seems to want control and me make my life
miserable. I know a boy
needs
>his father. I got your address from dads@dadsusa.com. Thanks for any help.

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i am proud to have custody of my daughters
my heart goes out to those not as lucky as me


sean m. mccabe

 

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I am not a man hating woman. I believe a father can be as loving as a mother and I agree that feminism has ruined this country. I would like to know more about your group so I can pass this info to my ex. I would like him to see that there are men out there that would kill to have what I am trying to give him with his children. (I tried to give him custody or at least share joint custody)I love my kids but I know that I am not a very good mother at this time in my life. I believe that he was better qualified to take care of his children than I was at this point of my life. I told him I needed to get my life straightened out and it wasn't fair to the kids to drag them through my madness (our separation hit me very hard). he is a loving father and has had the chance to move on in his life (his girlfriend gave birth to a beautiful boy). I just wanted to be able to do the same- move on. I offered child support and any kind of help I could give. I wasn't giving up on my kids- just trying to get better. He wanted me to walk away from them --period. or he wouldn't take them. I tried to tell him that we are a team raising these children and that we are equally important to them. what is best for them today (parent) may not be the best tomorrow. if we were a united front with these kids they would have the best possible situation at all times. I was wanting him to care for them until we agreed that they should come to my home -- if /or when. who knows where he'll be tomorrow or what circumstances will arise in his life-- but I wanted to be there for my kids (sane, safe and secure) if a time ever came when my home became the better situation. he brought them home a day later, and told me it" wasn't convenient for him right now". I was at the point of a nervous breakdown and I was in serious fear of putting these children at risk. I verbalized it to everyone I knew and begged for help for the kids. I just knew my kids shouldn't see me that way. for reasons I know you understand I didn't want CPS to get involved. I am an educated woman. I am also a recovering alcoholic/addict sober 5 yrs . I have raised my four children alone for two years. I am no wonder woman for doing that- I know. and I really don't care what "other women" have had to go through. I couldn't deal with life and I was woman enough to admit that. I was enough of a woman to step back and say to my ex that he was the better parent for our children. for the most part in the past that has not been the case, even he would admit that. So, I really had to swallow my pride and ask him to take the kids; but, he didn't. CPS finally got involved (one of those anonymous calls), and now the kids are gone from both of us. I didn't try to get them from cps; however, I fought like hell to have the kids go to their dad's house. no luck.I was ignored because I was the "offending parent" and due to his inaction before, he got the label too. I went to jail (paid $1000 bail), lost my job (property manager), and in the process of losing my home. I love my kids and he does too. I would like to talk to someone who will help us if at all possible. I'm still trying to work out my own issues. but, do we (our family) deserve to get the abuse that CPS is giving us. I would like to talk in depth with someone who is willing to direct me in the right way.




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I don't know if you have ever looking into the reality of Relativism and
the studies that supposedly supported it. The idea of the gravity of the
planets causing the deflection of the "space time continium" was put forth
as proof of Relativity but when the reality of refraction due to the
gaseous nature of the sun was added to the analysis, the "space time
continium" factor is reduced to zero.

The same goes for almost all of the nonsense of quantum mechanics, in that
it's nothing more than a algorithmic description of observations, rather
than any real description of reality at the sub-atomic level.

In short, most of what is passing for "Science" today is political in
nature.

Wilbur


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I thought folks familiar with the web site might be interested.

> >
> >
> > ps-if your degree is in anything that involves statistics, I welcome your
> > tearing the web site apart. I believe it is flawless, but certainly would
> > appreciate the challenge.
>
> Yes, my degree is in public policy and statistics was one of our core classes
> for the 1st year. Interesting that you only had to remove 1/4 of the cases
from
> your sample in order to get the results that you wanted (i.e. an increase in
the
> R2 from .14 to .9). What is your justification for removing those outliers?
>
> Scott


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I just read this book called Sex-Ploytation (available from www.sexploy.com)--it's like a hand grenade! Dating and marriage are nothing but prostitution, and feminist myths are destroyed! Check it out--it opened my eyes!

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Thanks in advance for your reply.


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I have over 400 violations of visitation.

I need help.

Michigan courts are against Fathers,

Larry Toussaint
9489 Hemenger Court
Algonac, Michigan 48001


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The Political Woman Webpage has posted an extensive citation from my book
THE FAMILY DEFENSE MANUAL. The material documents the anti-family and
anti-male agenda and ideology of the all female terrorist groups who refer
to themselves as Female Supremacists and Lesbian Separatists.
Understanding what these terrorists are doing is important because their
activities fall through a crack in the legal system. Information about
their activities was given to the FBI who conluded they could not open an
investigation because there was no foreign involvement. The ATF can do
nothing about them because their acts of sebversion and terrorism are
accomplished without firearms and explosives by infiltrating state and
federal agencies, then using the authority of the agency to accomplish the
terrorist acts.

To read the excerpt go to this website:

http://www.politicalwomen.com/

and select "SPECIAL: Family Defense Manual Excerpt!" from the menu.

Thank you for your interest.

Sincerely,


James Roger Brown
Director
THE SOCIOLOGY CENTER
3612 JFK Boulevard
North Little Rock, AR
(501) 771-7527

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Dear Sirs,

I am writing you because of a complaint issued against your website. Below
is a copy of the complaint:


---------------Complaint--------------
I would like to point out a group of sociopaths, who are out to
destroy peace as we know it. In my opinion, anyways. These persons
started
sending me their own Email, I have obviously not joined in this, nor do I
know these persons. They got my Email address from someone that knows me
(apparently from a mass Email) and started to send me unsolicited,
harrassing
mail. I've requested that they stop sending me their hate mail, but not
only
have they continued (until I blocked them) but they've also taken the
liberty
of using what I've said in response to take out of context to argue and
debate with. These men are sick and evil. If there's a way to stop them,
please do!!!

Thank you
Cheryl
list of links to their sight
<A HREF="http://fathersmanifesto.com/manifest.htm">FATHERS' MANIFESTO
sm</A>
<A HREF="http://fathersmanifesto.com/home.htm">FATHERS' MANIFESTOsm Home
Page
</A>
<A HREF="http://fathersmanifesto.com/index2.htm">Fathers' Manifesto Index
Page
</A>
<A HREF="http://fathersmanifesto.com/femlair.htm">Feminism's Implosion</A>

this is all from one group, there's more links that I could send, but i just
think these men are a danger to society.

-----------End Complaint---------------


After reviewing your web site I could'nt agree with you more. Your views are
right on target! I will sign your Signatory to the FATHERS' MANIFESTOsm. I
will also add your banner to our thundernet sites.

Keep it Up Guys!



--The ThunderNet Group--

The American Guardian
http://www.thundernet.org

HateWatch of America
http://www.hatewatch.com

Don Ellis
postmaster@thundernet.org

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Please add my name to the Father's Manifesto.
Jerry Pisano


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Yes by our father above I want to tell my story. What do I do . I'm slated to go to debtor's prison tomorrow for you know what; Contempt of course of the courts unreasonable demands & not having reasonable visitation-so what else is new? Please hear my plea??
Please respond in kind. Cordially; Bruce. jbt@jesup.net

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Yes I 'll sign if I'm still near a keyboard & I know where to sign. I have the most horrifying story of contempt, hatred, abuse, & neglect brought upon the woman's shelter system in Ga.
Please respond in kind. Cordially; Bruce. jbt@jesup.net


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I am a step mother who has been caring for a 3 and 4 year old for 2 years and he has had them for 2 and a half after she left them for sex, drugs and alcohol. Now she needs the money, not the kids and is trying to take them away from us. I will sign!!
How can custody cases use previous cases to support them when every family is different?

I will sign,
Good for you guys.
Gillian Chouinard
woody128@hotmail.com


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Signing Fathers Manifesto: M. Dale Best


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John--I'm not sure if you got my e I just sent you from your web site.
My computer may have messed up. In any event, I spoke today with Katie
(Pearle Harbour) and she gave me the info in order to get you on the
web. I had also spoken with Rod Bivens--he was the one who told my
about you. Anyway, I am hoping I could talk to you by phone so I could
pick your brains a bit in regards to the sorry state of fatherhood in
this country. My phone number is 310 204 1272 if you are inclined to
speak. Otherwise perhaps we could just this by way of the internet.
Thanks, Brian

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John,

A slight but important correction.....My case is before the United States
Supreme Court. The next 30-60 days is the time to join the case......Fill
out the forms or contact me at 281-331-2384 and I will help you join....Bob
Hedrick

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You may publish this massage if you want.


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ditto the previous message.


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Please include me in what ever measures being applied to maintain the needed
position of dedicated fathers. These fathers who are convinced that they
contribute much more than check.

 


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Gil, psychology student
Men supporting other men
626-288-4461
San Gabriel,CA




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willtpatrick@webtv.net (Will Patrick)
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I would appreciate any other information you may have on this movement.
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Thanks John; As soon as I figure all this web-stuff out I will do just that.
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John-
I picked this off an Australian site.
Makes good reading for those folks who need a shot of reality therapy.
-Bill




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below is a copy of what I found when searching your links.

Not Found
The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you
followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been
instructed not to let you have it. Please inform the site administrator
of the referring page.4

I've created a new webber at;
http://www.chinaearth.com/SocializedLaw.html

by the way, I'm in China studying the untampered family... want some
articles? JimKin

der: signatory
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I read several of your proposes to eliminate fatherless ness. Over all,
I applaud your efforts, at least what I have read that is. By way of
introduction, I am president of a group that calls themselves
F.O.C.U.S.S. Which stands for:
F athers O f C hildren U nder S tate S uppression

If I am not mistaken, your organizations plans on removing fatherless
ness by removing government agencies influence. Correct?

I don't have a problem with that. I know that there are a good number of
issues with respect to child support, but there is one area you fail to
take further. You made mention of it but didn't elaborate much on the
subject.

The subject is the fairness, or amounts of child support placed on
fathers for their children. Your proposals seem only to be concerned
with SINGLE PARENTS, that is fine, but you should also address failed
marriages too. The incentive of divorce should be removed, but in cases
were the divorce has taken place, financial obligations should be
assessed fairly.

For Example, a case that took place several years ago and ultimately
went before the Utah Supreme Court went like this.

Soon after a divorce was granted, the mother of the children was placed
in the State Hospital for the mentally ill. When she was admitted, she
asked that the father take care of their children while she was
hospitalized. She had been diagnosed legally insane. Despite this, she
was awarded full custody. 5 yrs later, after being released from the
hospital, she found out that due to state law, she was entitled to child
support. She sued and won $45,000 from the father of her children,
despite that he took care of them, met all of their needs, provided room
and board, he lost!!!

How could the courts call this child support? I know I would't call it
that and I don't dare say what I would call it.

One other case. A mother killed her 3 month old boy. Was found guilty
of the crime. The courts ordered the father to pay her alimony!!!
Absolutely unbelievable!!! Why should a father have to pay blood money
to a women who killed his only son?

These and many more stories could be told.

We wish you good luck and hope that fairness is the main motivator for
your cause.

Respectfully,

L. Richard Heward
President'
FOCUSS




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PLEASE POST -- PRESS RELEASE
Thought you may be interested........Are you interested in a Reciprocal
Link....? Please contact me. Thanks and good luck.
DATE: November 27, 1998

TO: Family & Parenting Periodicals

FROM: NATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF FATHERS RIGHTS

RE: Operational Status of Organization/Books and Materials
Available Please Post for All interested!
WWW Address:
http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/fatherrights/index.html

Good Day,
It is my distinct pleasure to announce the fully operational
status of the National Brotherhood Of Fathers Rights, expressly
organized for the sole purpose of helping fathers gain, or regain,
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Dear John Knight:

I will be leave for three weeks and do not want to have a big pile up of e mail when I get back, or to pay to receive when I am in Chile. So I would appreciate your unsubscribe me from the Repeal 19th list and any other list that you are connected with.

Thanks for your help.

Sincerely,

Murray A. Straus, Professor of Sociology
& Co-Director, Family Research Laboratory
University of New Hampshire, Durham, NH 03824
Phone: 603 862-2594 Fax: 603 862-1122
E-mail MAS2@CHRISTA.UNH.EDU

See the Family Research Laboratory web site http://www.unh.edu/frl
for bibliography of books and papers by members of the lab, conference
announcements, and information about the lab faculty and research program.


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Les droits de garde et de visite des enfants: Analyse comparative de lois �trang�res

http://Canada.justice.gc.ca/Publications/custody/frnchart2/ccafjf.html -> Fran�ais

http://canada.justice.gc.ca/Publications/custody/engchart2/ccafje.html ->English

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Does one have to become a Signatory before they can access the information
on this page. If they do let me know what I need to do. I have recently accepted
responsibility as Fatherhood Coordinator of the Fatherhood program in Anderson, Indiana.


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Dear John,

Thom asked me to send you the following URL: rafi.org/usda.html

The site is about the new Terminator technology the Monsanto has come
out with regarding the Terminator seeds where farmers would no longer be
able to store seeds to plant them selves but would be forced to buy
seeds each year. Thus insuring genetic engineering and other acts
against Natural Law and Rights of Men. Could you also post this on your
emails for others to sign?


Folder: signatory
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As a female in my right mind, and as a United States citizen, I too support
the repeal of the 19th amendment, which has done nothing short of complete
harm to women and women's status in society.

The reasons are numerous, chief among them are the following:

1. Nature teaches us that men were made to rule and to initiate.

2. History has taught us that a woman's greatest honor is in caring for
her children and honoring her husband, and, if she cannot bear children, to
become part of the huge corp of volunteers that have gained great honor in
helping those who could not help themselves completely, all without
governmentally coercive "helping" programs.

3. Women as a whole have become irresponsible with their exercise of the
vote, and have committed high treason by voting for issues that have
contributed to the destruction of the United States. These issues include,
but are not limited to the following: the cheapening of human life in
America through the countless numbers of abortions, most of which are
performed for convenience sake; the support of "easy" divorces that have
destroyed the social fabric of America and has led to immeasurable suffering
by innocent children; and the attempt to destroy the morale and dignity of
half the population of the United States through unjust laws such as child
support laws callously aimed against men.

Mrs. Maritza Combes


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John,

While I may personally agree with this, it doesn't stand a chance
in hell of being taken seriously. In my humble opinion we should
concentrate on real facts relating to custody, false accusations
and exhorbitant child support guidelines.

Just my 2 cents...




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At 01:57 PM 10/8/1998 MDT, you wrote:
>www2.crosswinds.net/san-diego/~manifesto/nineteen.htm
>
>Comments?
Don't mix religion, god and fatherhood. They are and must remain separate.

Joseph Arditti
>_______________________

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Dear Sir,

I was wondering if you can help, or know any group, person, party or
orginizaton that provides any sort of legal advice/assistance to stay at home
dads who's wives run off with the child(ren)?
I am a Canadian citizen living in the U.S. We have filed all the INS
papers so I can legaly work (soon anyway). I stayed home with the baby and my
wife worked. We had aggred to it before the baby came. Due mostly to my lack
of a work permit(or green card) but I also had more experience with babies and
children. Now my wife has taken off with my 6 month old baby. I don't know
where she is, but I believe she is in Texas. I can't get any legal help. I
can't get a job. I don't know what would happen at any sort of a custody
trial. I have always been the primary care giver. She has an extensive
criminal record and has been to jail several times. Her probation officer
refers to her as a 'career criminal'. I'm so afraid if she gets in trouble
with the law the baby will get put in a home or something. My wife has also
been exhibiting strange and irrational behaviour. Profesionals I have spoken
to about it describe it as 'schizophrenic' or 'sociopathic'. I have no idea
what will happen to me. I cannot work yet (not till december, or later) I
cannot legaly go back to Canada without filing more papers with INS (and I
have no money to do so). I only have $9.00 to my name. If you can help, or
know someone who can please contact me. I can get you any info you need. I
check my e-mail several times a day. I'm so afraid if it goes to court
they'll take my baby away, just beacus I am a stay at home dad. If I can get
my baby I have a place to stay in Canada. I could work there, and I have
friends who will help me out. But I just can't go without my baby. I've
offered to take my wife too, but she has not been comunicating with me. I
don't know what to do.

yours, Ed




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Is SAFAR still an active organization? IS there a rally coming up in
Portland, OR this week? THanks.


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From: "JOHN BIVINGS" <fathers@gte.net>
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Please put me on your mailing list. dave



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My Family Court battles are between here and Washington State and back
again. I pay my exwife money for the kids she abducted to Washington in
1986 and she pays me(or doesn't is more like it) for kids who lived with
me here in the early 90s'.
Ever since my life entered this nightmare in 1986 I have been living in
hell from one Kafka like agency to another always with the same results,
the usual of course. I am nobody, I am suspect, I must pay, I must
accomodate, I must not challenge, I must cooperate and whatever it is I
try to do it will take the efforts of Hercules to accomplish the
simplest correction of their errors. In the mean time I am shut out,
humiliated, harrassed, ignored, lied to condesended to and generally a
third class citizen. I have four sons. Can I join your class action
suit? How does one initiate a suit in another state?
I have written a detailed account of some of my experiences in a
pamphlet called Familicide. Peter Ashlock

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Please write me.

Thanks,

SBKeegan

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I caught a typographical error in the first Portman file which I send, so I
am sending you a corrected file. Please discard the first "Portman.wpd"
file which I sent to you.

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John -- James is back behind bars, I hear for at least sixty days. He's there due to his own stupidity and bad company. I'm clueless how he's going to pull off his September rally. Will keep you posted when I hear more.

Layne

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Thank you Mr. Knight. It's all our voices linked together which will
make a difference. Have a great weekend.

Cindy

Fathers' Manifesto wrote:
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> quest@garlic.com wrote:
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > Your web page, FATHERS MANIFESTO: IMPEACH JANET RENO is a featured
link
> > on my web page, CONSERVATIVE EDUCATION FORUM under the category heading
> > "Impeachment."
> > Thank you for your timely page, sir.
> >
> > God Bless You.
> > Cindy
> > cindy@reborn.com
> >


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Question: With the number of suicides at M: 26,710 versus F: 5,700
(annual), how do you justify your approximation that men are three times
as emotionally stable as women???

I was admiring your other stats when I came across that -- it seems to
call the validity of the rest of the approximations into question...

Another question would be: what about statistical outriders? For
example, women with extremely high SAT and GRE scores (we'll leave out
grades, since they are not necessarily unbiased) -- would you still want
to bar them from teaching? (If I am addressing Albert Hu) It's nice
that Asian Americans have average scores that argue _against_ anti-Asian
prejudice, but nonetheless, there was great prejudice against them in
the not-so-distant past: I would hope that you wouldn't condemn even the
three- and four-sigma women to unemployment because of what would
constitute a prejudice based on the AVERAGE performance of their group
on standardized tests. As for comparing heights, weights, athletic
prowess, etc., you would be favoring urban American blacks and
Anglo/German/Scandinavian-Amers of BOTH sexes over Asians if you listed
those stats. You seem to be picking your stats rather carefully to
support a pre-selected conclusion. It might be a stronger site if you
leave out the athletics, and emotional stability is really a can of
worms, considering violent crime stats for men vs. women of all races.


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I'll gladly sign on to the lawsuit. I too am being denied my right to
visitation of my daughter.


Timothy D. Whittenburg


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