TIMSS shows that at the 12th grade level, whose scores are very different from the 8th grade level in both directions (up for most countries, VERY much down for the US), Norwegian boys scored 2 standard deviations higher than Swiss boys (589 vs. 519).But Swiss boys scored 2 standard deviations higher than Swiss girls (519 vs. 444).And Swiss girls scored another standard deviation higher than American girls (444 vs. 393), for a total of 5 standard deviations of separation between American girls and Norwegian boys.

SAT scores for 12th graders show that boys in Catholic states score almost two standard deviations lower than boys in Protestant states.And girls in Catholic states score another two standard deviations lower than boys in Catholic states, for a total of 4 standard deviations of separation between Protestant boys and Catholic girls.SAT scores also show that two thirds of the students who score over 600 are boys and one third are girls.

Even though boys outperformed girls this much in SAT scores, almost two thirds of college admissions today are girls and only one third boys.Almost two thirds of those who take the GRE are White girls, and only one third boys.The gender gap in standard deviations is two to three times larger than in SAT and itís growing.In 1997 the gender/race gap between Asian men and Black women was 2.16 standard deviations, but it increased to 2.48 only 5 years later, in 2002.Even the gender gaps between Asian boys and girls increased, from 0.63 to 0.69.

NAEP confirms the phenomena, plus provides the additional insight that, IF their testing methology is correct, THEN blacks score another 5-9 standard deviations lower than Whites, and that blacks in the District of Columbia have an IQ which is 4 IQ points lower than the average for American blacks, another half of a standard deviation.

Even though the GRE (Graduate Record Examination) is not a representative cross-section of the American population, as it's taken mostly by college graduates hoping to go to graduate school and thus represents a small, elite crowd, it still confirms the phenomena closely enough.  Not only does it show that the standard deviation for males of every race in every GRE subject is higher than for females of those respective races and topics, but it too shows that the gender gap for Whites and Hispanics is two thirds of a standard deviation, hardly a "statistically insignificant" difference as the news media expounds.  Even the smaller standard deviations of .6 for "other" races, .59 for Mexicans, .56 for Asians, .5 for Puerto Ricans, .47 for Indians, and .4 for Blacks can hardly be characterized as "statistically insignificant".

While egalitarians delight in proclaiming that the gender gap in NAEP math decreased from 7 points to only 3 points and the White/Black race gap decreased from 38 points to only 28 points just in the last three decades, the most casual observation of the data will prove to you otherwise.  Is it really possible that our education system managed to alter God's Design by narrowing race and gender gaps which have existed for millennia--in only a few short decades?  No.  Is it possible that, given such huge gender and race gaps in other standardized tests, that NAEP managed to produce a test which illustrates no gender and lower race gaps?  No.  What did happen is the way the standard deviation was changed in the reporting of the data.  The most optimistic assessment of how this standard deviation was changed shows that this supposed decrease in the race gap from 38 to 28 points was actually an increase in the standard deviation from 5.4 to 9.3.  Is that possible? Could this dumbing down of America as reflected in the 135 SAT point decrease just in the last four decades and our scoring dead last in 17 of 34 TIMSS subjects have resulted in the dumbing down of Blacks even more? 

That's actually not possible, because the experts who've manipulated this test data have managed to remove it from our public consciousness and from all political debate. Not every step along the way is cumulative.This is exaggerated to illustrate the point that our misunderstanding about the gender and race gap needs to be studied much more carefully, taken much more seriously, and corrected immediately.Itís not possible that the total number of standard deviations of separation between American black females in DC and boys in Norway is a total of 14 to 18.5 standard deviations.  But when correlated with IQ, the gender gap according to SAT math scores (12th graders) is 9 IQ points, according to ACT Math scores (12th graders) is 8 IQ points, per GRE quantitative scores (college graduates) is 12 IQ points, per TIMSS physics (12th graders) is 11 IQ points, and per PISA math (13 year olds) is 4 IQ points. Thus the gender gap of 3 points for 12th graders in NAEP math in 2004 represents an IQ gap of 8 to 12 IQ points, for an average of 10 IQ points.IF the correlation between 2004 NAEP math scores and IQ were linear (which of course itís not), THEN the White/Black race gap of 28 points would represent an IQ gap of 93 IQ points.NAEP reports that the gender gap in 1978 was 7 points and the White/Black race gap was 38 points.Again, IF the correlation between IQ and these scores were linear, THEN the 7 point gender gap would represent a 10 IQ point gap, and the White/Black race gap would have been only 54 IQ points.

Way to go, America.You have ZERO evidence that Obamaís intellect isnít even MORE than 18.5 standard deviations lower than the average Norwegian 12th grader, yet you made him ďpresidentĒ?

YOU FOOLS!!!!!!!!!



























Even after four decades of affirmative action and rampant feminism, how can it be explained that men STILL get 14 TIMES as many patents as women?

 "Of the scientists in our sample, 11.5% are listed as inventors on one or more patents. However, the full sample proportion masks a large gender difference: of the 903 women in the sample, 5.65% held patents as of the last year of the data. By contrast, 13% of the 3,324 male scientists in the data are listed on patents. Moreover, the 431 male patenters have amassed a total of 1,286 patents in our dataset. This compares to 92 patents produced by the 51 women patenters."

Excerpted from the following article is this statement about members of Academy mathematicians scoring 4.68 standard deviations higher than the national average for American males.  Could it be that more than half of Norway's population scores above this level?

"The pool of competitors is roughly the number of Americans between the ages of 25 and 85, approximately 190,000,000. Setting N  = 190,000,000 (the precise value is not important3) and the number of slots NS  = 143, the competitor to slot ratio, N /NS , is 1.329 million. With this value in (3), we find that the most probable number of women in the group of 143 Academy mathematicians is 7.1. (I choose not to round to the nearest integer.) At this time there are precisely 7 women in the mathematics sections of the Academy. (The agreement is almost embarrassing.) The 95% confidence interval4 is [2,12]. The minimum mathematical ability among the 143 Academy members is 4.68 SD greater than the male population mean. This is indeed an elite bunch!"



Mathematics is a man's game. A gender gap appears early in life, blossoms with the onset of puberty and reaches full bloom by mid-adolescence. It indelibly shapes women's prospects for doing significant mathematics. In this account of cognitive sex differences, Prodigy shows how sex-differentiated ability in 15 year-olds accounts for the exiguous female representation at the highest levels of mathematical research. A female Fields Medalist is predicted to surface once every 103 years.

Prodigy's Journal, July 2005

  President of Harvard, Lawrence Summers, speaking informally in January at the National Bureau of Economic Research Conference on Diversifying the Science & Engineering Workforce, observed:

"It does appear that on many, many different human attributes-height, weight, propensity for criminality, overall IQ, mathematical ability, scientific ability-there is relatively clear evidence that whatever the difference in means-which can be debated-there is a difference in the standard deviation, and variability of a male and a female population. And that is true with respect to attributes that are and are not plausibly, culturally determined."

It had been three weeks to a month after Summers' ill-advised remarks that I came to think about them in a quantitative way. And just now do I write about them. President Summers had momentarily dropped his guard. It was, after all, a meeting of confreres closed to the public and the press. In the ensuing weeks, Summers offered an abject apology, received a vote of no confidence from his Faculty, and Harvard coughed up $50 million to promote gender equity. For such a handsome sum President Summers might have provided the Conference with some extra detail, perhaps along these lines . . .

Summers Redux
Ladies and gentlemen, friends, thank you for the invitation. It is an honor to be here and to have the opportunity to share with you my thoughts about campus diversity. Some here have accused me of being long-winded. So, borrowing a page from La Griffe du Lion, from whom I have learned the art of parsimony, I will make my remarks brief. All the same, brevity notwithstanding, I am committed to leaving you with an appreciation of the difficulties faced bringing women into Mathematics, Engineering and Physical Sciences at Harvard.

My first priority as President is to preserve and encourage high standards of scholarship. The Cornell West affair attests to my sincerity in this regard. However, I am also committed to promoting campus diversity. Regrettably, the two goals are often at odds -- a problem that faculty woefully underappreciate.

The Department of Mathematics will illustrate. Like most departments at Harvard, its quality is exemplary. Approximately 40% of its full professors (including emeriti) have been elected to the National Academy of Sciences, as you know a high distinction. Of its approximately 2000 members (I see several here today) more than 190 are Nobel Laureates.

A dozen universities account for roughly 45% of the membership. Like peas in the same high-end pod, they face common difficulties diversifying faculty. Table 1 lists them in rank order as they stood in 2003. There is some juggling of position from year to year, but the universities at the top of the list are always immediately recognizable as major research institutions.

Table 1. National Academy
Members (July 2003)









UC Berkeley































Source: National Academy of Sciences
membership directory

The Fields Medal is arguably the highest honor accorded a mathematician. Three Department members (including emeriti) are Fields Medalists. The Medals, established in the will of John Fields, were first awarded in 1936. Suspended during WWII, the awards resumed in 1950 and have been conferred quadrennially since. To date there have been 44 Medalists.

But I come not to brag about our Mathematics Department. I have, after all, had nothing to do with its eminence. Rather, I mean to use the Department to demonstrate the difficulty of bringing senior female faculty onboard, while at the same time maintaining its quality.

Many in this audience have been harshly reproachful of the scant representation of women among the ranks of full professors, especially in math-intensive fields. But before you take me or the University to task we need to ask what outcome we can reasonably expect when talented researchers compete for these positions. More precisely, if the slots are filled in rank order of ability, what percentage of them will be occupied by women? To answer, we need to know how mathematical ability is distributed by sex.

The scientific literature abounds with studies of cognitive sex differences. From them we learn that cognitive gender gaps appear early in life, that girls display greater verbal ability, boys greater mathematical ability, that the mathematics gap increases gradually with age until the onset of puberty, when a rapid increase brings it to full flower by mid-adolescence. And that two features characterize the gap -- a higher male mean and a greater male variance.

A large majority of the studies describing cognitive sex differences are flawed. The list of issues is long. Samples are often too small to yield significant results. Variances are mostly ignored. Tests with minimal g-loading, like those of the NAEP, mostly measure attainment rather than reasoning ability. Other tests, like the SAT and ACT are taken by nonrepresentative segments of the population. Studies of pre-adolescents are not useful to us because cognitive sex differences have not yet fully developed. Finally, meta-analyses incorporate all the flaws of their component studies, and usually weight them by sample size rather than quality.

Among the studies avoiding these pitfalls is the Project Talent1 study of 1960. It remains one of the best assessments of cognitive sex differences in a complete age group ever made. The sample was designed to be representative of all 15 year-olds in the US. It included more than 73,000 15 year-olds, both students and nonstudents. They were given an all-day battery of 23 cognitive tests. The mathematics results revealed a mean (male-female) difference of 0.12 standard deviations2 and a 1.20 (male/female) variance ratio. The corresponding distributions are shown in Figure 1.


Figure 1. Distributions of math ability for men and women. (Project Talent data).

I would like everyone here to now consider the following problem. Its solution will tell us more about gender inequity than an infinity of National Bureau of Economic Research conferences.

A random selection of NM  men and NW  women compete for NS  available slots. If the slots are filled in rank order of mathematical ability, what is the most probable gender composition of the winners' circle?

The solution is obtained simply by requiring that at the end of the selection process the number of slot holders equals the number of slots. That is,


where PM  and PW  are the normalized math-ability distributions of men and women, respectively, and Λ is the minimum ability needed to secure a slot, i.e., the mathematical ability of the dimmest bulb among the slot holders. The first term on the left side of (1) is the number of men who succeed in acquiring a slot; the second term is the corresponding number of women. The cutoff ability, Λ, varies with the selectivity of the competition. When many compete for few slots, the minimum ability required is high. As more slots become available or the number of competitors falls, the minimum ability decreases, until, in the limit where the number of slots equals or exceeds the number of competitors, everybody wins, even retards, and Λ goes to -infinity.

We introduce a simplification, made possible when equal numbers of men and women form the pool of competitors, a condition approximately satisfied in all our examples. Setting NM  = NW  = N /2 in (1) gives:


Equation (2) is attractive because it does not depend on the specific numbers of men and women competing, but rather on the ratio of slots to competitors. The cutoff ability, Λ, is obtained from the numerical solution of (2).

The gender makeup in the winners' circle is conveniently expressed as the male percentage of slot holders, ΦM , which using (2) to eliminate http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/matheqinline.gif, may be written:


Lest anyone wonder how it is that the gender composition of slot holders, given by (3), depends only on the male ability distribution and not the female, be mindful that the ladies' distribution is implicit in
Λ, whose value depends on both distributions.

Figure 2 shows how the percentage of males among slot holders varies with the competitor to slot ratio. The curve was calculated from (3), using Gaussians with variances and mean differences from Project Talent. Note how the proportion of men increases as the competition grows stiffer. At 100 competitors per slot, more than 70 percent of slot holders are male. At 1000 competitors per slot, men fill 80 percent of the slots.


Figure 2. Variation of the percentage of men among slot winners with the competitor to slot ratio.

Figure 3 illustrates how the male percentage among slot holders varies in a supercompetitive environment, with up to a million competitors per slot. As the competition becomes more demanding, the male percentage among slot holders increases rapidly before slowing to a crawl.


Figure 3. Gender composition of winners in extremely demanding competitions.

Women Mathematicians in the National Academy of Sciences
    The last time I looked, there were 143 American members of the National Academy in the Mathematics and Applied Mathematical Sciences sections. Using the methods developed here, we can estimate the most probable number of women in this elite club.

The pool of competitors is roughly the number of Americans between the ages of 25 and 85, approximately 190,000,000. Setting N  = 190,000,000 (the precise value is not important3) and the number of slots NS  = 143, the competitor to slot ratio, N /NS , is 1.329 million. With this value in (3), we find that the most probable number of women in the group of 143 Academy mathematicians is 7.1. (I choose not to round to the nearest integer.) At this time there are precisely 7 women in the mathematics sections of the Academy. (The agreement is almost embarrassing.) The 95% confidence interval4 is [2,12]. The minimum mathematical ability among the 143 Academy members is 4.68 SD greater than the male population mean. This is indeed an elite bunch!

Sex differences in both mean and variance contribute to the preponderance of men in the Academy, but they contribute unequally. At this level of ability men predominate mostly because of their greater variability. If we set the mean difference to zero and redo the calculation, men would constitute 91% of the Academy membership, down from 95%, but still a hefty majority. Alternatively, if we set the variance ratio to unity, leaving the means intact, the male representation drops substantially to 64%.

Fields Medalists
    The talent required to do mathematics at the level of a Fields Medalist is extraordinary. The pool of competitors spans the adult population of the world not yet turned 40 on January 1 of the year Medals are awarded -- approximately 2 billion. (Again, the precise number is not important.) On average, there are three Fields winners per award year, so that the ratio of competitors to slots, N /NS  is approximately 7 x 108. From this we estimate
the minimum mathematical ability of Fields Medalists to be an incredible 5.8 SD greater than the male population mean. Approximately 1.3 percent of the Medalists will be women. Since the prize is conferred quadrennially, we expect a female Fields Medalist to emerge approximately once every 103 years, that is, every 4/[3(0.013)] years. None has yet surfaced.

The Putnam Competition
    The William Lowell Putnam Competition provides another look at sex differences in mathematical aptitude at the high end. The Competition is an annual event sponsored by the Mathematical Association of America and limited to North American undergraduate students. It is the premier mathematics competition of its kind in the world. Every year, in early December, nearly 3,000 contestants from over 400 colleges and universities participate. The Putnam challenge sweeps up virtually all North American undergraduates who have a chance to place. Few of the mathematically gifted will escape its allure.

The exam itself is punishing -- twelve questions worth ten points each for a total of 120 points. It has been called the world's hardest test. In spite of the blue-ribbon nature of the competition, the median score is typically one or zero.

Over the years many top Putnam finishers have gone on to become distinguished mathematicians. Three (John Milnor, David Mumford and Daniel Quillen) are Fields Medalists and two (Richard Feynman and Kenneth Wilson) won the Nobel Prize in Physics.

Applying our methods to the Putnam Competition, we first estimate the most probable number of women among the top 200 finishers. The pool of potential competitors, N, includes everyone of college age, not just college students. A four-year span in the neighborhood of ages 18 to 21 includes about 5.5 percent of the population or about 17 million. Crunching the numbers with N set to 17,000,000 and NS  to 200, we estimate the most probable number of women to finish in the top 200 to be 17.3, with a 95% confidence interval [10,25]. Last year (2004), 19 women finished in the top 200, in good agreement with our estimate. The minimum ability among the 200 is 4.1 SD greater than the male population mean.

The top five Putnam finishers are published in alphabetical order. We don't know how they rank within this group. The five are known as Putnam Fellows. Setting NS  = 5, we find that the probability of a random Putnam Fellow being female is 0.041, and that the minimum ability of a Putnam Fellow is 4.9 SD greater than the male population mean -- a bit higher than that of National Academy members. From 1995 to 2004, there have been 38 different Fellows (some competitors win more than once). Three of the 38 were women. Assuming 38 Fellows per decade typical, the probability of at least 3 female Fellows in any given decade is 0.20. Since women have not competed seriously for most of the years the Putnam Competition has been held (the first year was 1938) it remains to be seen whether the most recent decade was one of the five for which we predict at least 3 women Fellows to emerge. The previous decade saw none.

Probable Origins of Sex Differences in Mathematical Ability

    In early hominid societies women gathered and men hunted. The division of labor exerted distinctly different adaptive pressures on men and women, leaving them with different cognitive strengths. The legacy of the hunter is visuospatial proficiency including the ability to mentally rotate and invert objects in 3-space. This ability, useful for navigating across wide stretches in search of prey, is also valuable in mathematics. Women's better ability to identify objects and recall their location is the legacy of the forager.

Related cognitive sex differences may be found in other species, often with similar origins. In polygynous vole species, for example, males cover wider territories than their monogamous cousins. As a result, they have evolved sex-differentiated navigational skills very much like humans. Polygynous males navigate mazes faster than females of the same species, whereas monogamous vole species exhibit no such sex difference.5  From this I conclude that philandering males are the cause of stereotype threat. Thank you.

Q & A

Q: Girls frequently get better math grades than boys, even though boys score higher on tests of mathematical aptitude. How do you explain this? And isn't classroom performance linked more strongly to future job performance than test scores?

LS: When you say "better grades" I think you mean "better average grades." In a high school math class, we expect to find a narrow male majority of 52% in the top half of ability (obtained by setting N /NS  = 2 in (3)). Thus with almost equal numbers of boys and girls on each side of the ability median, a bit of extra industry on the part of the ladies, or more likely a bit of slacking off by the boys could easily tilt the average grade toward the girls. None of this, however, is relevant to job performance in fields like engineering, math or physical science. There, considerably more than average ability is required. The technological workforce will emerge from the more selective fractions of the class, where boys predominate to an extent that is not compensable by extra diligence. The 95th percentile of mathematical ability, for example, will be about 64% male, the 99th percentile, 71% male.

Q: If, as you claim, 71% of the 99th percentile is male, that still leaves 29% who are female. What have you done to bring senior female faculty up to this level in Mathematics, Engineering and Physical Sciences?

LS: Full professors in Mathematics at Harvard represent ability in the top 0.0001% of the population, not the top 1%. We could therefore reasonably expect to find no more than one or two women at that rank, with two being extremely unlikely. I haven't done an analysis of Engineering and Physical Sciences, but I suspect prospects for women there are similar but less stark.

Q: OK, so we can't expect gender equity in Mathematics, Engineering and Physical Sciences at Harvard, but can we at least expect 29% of the workforce in these fields to be women?

LS: Not likely. Men and women exhibit other behavioral differences which are apparent almost from birth. To some extent they mirror sex-differentiated behavior in animals. Boys are more aggressive, girls more nurturing. Female babies react more to facial expressions, males to moving objects. By adolescence these behaviors have morphed into girls' interest in social relationships, and boys' interest in machines and devices. Obviously, such divergence of interests influences career choices. Girls lean more toward fields like psychology, while similarly talented men incline toward engineering or physical science. A study6 by Lubinski and Benbow followed the careers of mathematically precocious youth from age 13 to 23. All were in the top 1% of mathematical ability. At age 23 less than 1% of the girls were pursuing doctorates in mathematics, engineering, or physical science, while almost 8% of the boys were. Equal aptitude not withstanding, girls pursued doctorates in biology at more than twice the rate of boys, and in the humanities at almost three times the rate of boys. For all these reasons, we should regard 29% as an upper bound to the percentage of women in the technological work force. In practice, their numbers will be significantly less.

Q: If all this is so, why are we meeting here today?

A: Good question. We are meeting here today because feminists, in order to support their androgynous fantasies, encourage able young women to enter technological fields even when their interests lie elsewhere.

Q: I see several people have left and one has thrown up. Do you think there will be repercussions campuswide?

A. Nah. We are, after all, first and foremost scholars, researchers and above all colleagues.

Thank you all again.


1. M.F. Shaycroft, J. T. Dailey, D. B. Orr, C. A. Neyman, S. E. Sherman, Studies of a Complete Age Group-age 15, Project Talent Office, University of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, Pa 1963.

2. Project Talent reports a male-female mean difference of 0.12 SD. The unit "SD" as used in this context means one standard deviation in the ability distribution of the combined male and female population. We prefer a standard deviation unit based on the ability distribution in the male population, because it is invariant to changes in the population mix. Other than the original Project Talent reference to 0.12 SD, all references to "standard deviation" or "SD" should be taken throughout to mean one standard deviation in the male distribution. The remainder of this note provides details of the unit conversion. The casual reader may choose to skip it.

    In standard units, a mean difference, d, in some property characteristic of two groups, say, men and women, is conventionally computed as:





where the subscripts M and F denote male and female, respectively; the μ's are mean scores, and the σ's are standard deviations (all in test units). The denominator on the right side of (N.1) is the standard deviation (in test units) in the combined population of men and women. It is conventional in the psychometric literature to define the standard unit as the number of test units in one standard deviation of the combined population. Equation (N.1) reflects this convention. We prefer, however, to define the standard unit as the number of test units in one standard deviation of the male population. The advantage of this system is that it is invariant to changes in the population mix.

In the new system, a mean difference, δ, is computed as:




Combining (N.1) and (N.2) gives the relationship between the mean difference in the new system, δ, and the mean difference in the old system, d.





    In (N.3), ρ is the variance ratio (female/male).

For the special case where NM  = NF , we have



In the new units, σM  = 1, and σF  =  ρ1/2. Choosing the male mean to be zero, the normalized distributions for males and females are written:




    Project Talent reports a variance ratio, ρ, of 1/1.20 and a male-female mean difference, d, of 0.12 SD. Using (N.4) to convert units, we obtain δ = 0.9574d = 0.1149. We used the new convention in all computations and for the curves of Figures 1, 2 and 3.

3. With N /NS  > 106, the gender composition varies very slowly with the competitor to slot ratio (see Figure 3). Consequently, we can tolerate lots of error in the input to this calculation. If, for example, we were to cut N  by half to 95 million, our estimate of the most probable number of women would increase from 7.1 to only 8.2.

4. The standard error, σ , was computed as



and the confidence interval as



5. Gaulin, S. J. C., Fitzgerald, R.W. & Wartell, M. S., Sex differences in spatial ability and activity in two vole species. Journal of Comparative Psychology, 104, 88-93, 1990.

6. Lubinski, D. & Benbow, C. P., Gender differences in abilities and preferences among the gifted: Implications for the math/science pipeline. Current Directions in Psychological Science, 1, 61-66, 1992.





Confessions of a woman teacher


I'll admit, I haven't read all 6 pages of the thread.  Maths terrify me.  I fell off the truck back in 5th grade.  I'm a member of the early "new" math generation, and I went to a private lower school where some teachers liked math and taught it the "old" way, some decided to teach it the "new" way, and some didn't like teaching it so it wasn't emphasised.

I did okay in algebra, as long as we were talking theory.  Calculators were banned, and to this day I still sometimes mentally count on my fingers, so arithmetically I'd sometimes fail getting an answer (which was a fail--loic didn't count for points). 

I really liked, and did well at, geometry for some reason now lost to me in the midst of time and maths fear.  While I was otherwise a good good chemestry student that loved the sciences, I lost it when I had a HS instructor that insisted on starting every class with a graded quiz of 10 questions that stretched across the full front of the room blackboard which had to be answered in 5 minutes using a slide rule.  In that entire year I think I might have managed to get one of those damned questions finished before the time was up.  Other than that my understanding of the science was sound, and I absolutely loved biology, but those damned quizzes cost me my grade--and any confidence I had.  I barely passed that class. 

I've avoided taking any maths and sciences since, although at the zoo I teach basic science, including chemestry, biology, geology, and ecology--and do it very well from what I'm told by teachers bringing in their classes, and by other volunteers that have taught the subjects, some professionally, for far longer than I.

My late husband, who was a math whiz, insisted that, based upon what he'd seen of my interests and abilities, I'd enjoy and do quite well in physics--but the entire idea scares the pants off of me.  In order to eventually graduate from any program I have to have my math requirement satisfied.  I've avoided taking it formally for 36 years (oddly, the older I get, and the more I avoid it formally, the more it makes sense to me in an informal setting).  But, I also haven't graduated in 36 years; I sure as heck have enjoyed all the other courses--mostly, from year 1, upper level-- I've taken in that time, though. 

I sometimes think I'm the personification of Zonker from Doonsbury, except for our different motivations for not graduating.  I'm a fairly strong person, but I actually panic and break down crying at the idea of having to take a math class for a grade.

[editorís note: shortly after replying to the above post, this author was banned from posting to the Chronicles web site, as if though our teachers should be permitted to continue to engage in this massive cover-up of the gender gap being more than a standard deviation]