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----- Original Message -----

From: "Teri in Cali" <allkdathrt@yahoo.com>

Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:12 PM

Subject: [euro-dads&mums] Talk about timing...right before my interview (sorry, long)



You know, I feel pretty good about my work on behalf of dads.  I
feel as though it makes up for all those years of stupidity when I
didn't know what my exes were going through.  I guess I had gotten a
little too comfortable.  God has another plan.

About a year and a half ago I tracked down my first husband, the
father of my oldest daughter.  I wanted to know if he felt that I
was responsible for alienating him from his daughter, and I wanted
to arrange a meeting between the two of them.  We had the meeting. 
It was a bust.  My daughter felt distant and uncomfortable, and it
showed.  She even chose to have dinner with her brother instead of
her dad, who she hadn't seen in 10 years.  Her attitude is that he
was the adult, that he should have maintained the relationship.  His
attitude was that she had not cared about him, and still didn't.  It
all stems from a time when he was hurt in a car accident and ended
up living in a tent.  She was a teenager and hadn't heard from him
in years when he sent a letter telling her about it, with no return
address or phone number.  He's still mad that she never responded.

I tried to talk to him about the whole thing the day after the
meeting.  I was struck by how much he saw himself as the victim all
these years.  He blamed our daughter.  I could only say, "You were
an adult, she was a child".  We didn't get anywhere.  Every time I
tried to talk to him about my part in it he refused to talk about it.

That is, until yesterday.

He sent me an email so full of emotion, so full of anger.  I was
dumbstruck.  He remembers things that I don't.  He says I lied, he
says I betrayed him, he says our daughter and I have ruined his
life.  The majority of his letter was about money.  He seems to
think that I knew what it was like for him dealing with the system. 
Like most single moms, I was clueless. 

I opened this can of worms by joking with him.  I had told him about
the class action and said, "Hey when you get the million will you
pay me what you owe me?"  That's all it took.

I'm glad that I got to see where he's coming from.  He stated that
he's sure that our daughter and I had it hard too, but since I "had
all those other guys paying child support, and the state backing" me
up, we were not starving.  He has no clue.  Only 1 guy paid his
support, 1 out of 4.  And in order to get medical benefits and have
enough money to live, I had to get welfare.  Once I signed up for
welfare I never saw the child support.  (I have said all along that
I would have rather gotten all of my child support and never
received a penny of welfare.)  I only made it because I learned how
to do child care and foster care and still receive welfare,
legally.  He thought he only owes the state.  I will let him know
that for the 4 years from when I married my last husband until our
daughter turned 18, I never received his child support or welfare.

The most shocking part in all of this are his memories, imagined
memories, of the conception.  Sure, my father pressured us to get
married, that I'll agree.  His bitterness about that is justified. 
But I remember getting pregnant vividly, and he has it wrong.  We
were already married.  I used to take my birth control pill at
night.  I used to forget, by accident, and say something about it
after we were in bed.  I remember him getting up and giving it to me
several times.  I also remember him saying, "Just wait until the
morning", sometimes.  There were 2 nights in a row that I forgot, 2
times that he didn't want to get up and get it for me, 2 times that
I forgot to take it in the morning.  I'm pretty sure that I remember
the day I conceived.  He wanted to be intimate, I did not.  Being a
dutiful wife I gave in.  I can still remember the livingroom, the
chair... LOL  I had a very vivid dream when I was 17 years old that
I would give birth to a dark-haired daughter named (___) and he
would be her father.  The action on that chair was simply that
vision playing out 2 years later.  It was God's doing, not mine. 

His memories now include "you went off the pill without telling me"
and "your little trick".  This breaks my heart.  He is so battered,
so beat up by the system that he has turned his anger towards his
daughter.  No wonder he rarely saw her, rarely contacted her.

He kind of confirms what I've been saying all along.

I had a nice long email ready to send to him last night, but right
before I could we had a power failure.  I had 2 hours to think about
this in the dark.  In the end I kept coming back to the conception. 
It has to be about the children, the innocent babies. 

So, anyone here have any sage advice about what I should tell this
guy?

Teri

 

 

Teri,

Are you so caught up in your slurs that you couldn't even think of a proper
answer?

The correct answer is:  "BIGGER GOVERNMENT is the objective".

With no commentary to disclose your perspective, you posted an article which
proposes BIGGER GOVERNMENT, then claimed you do not favor BIGGER GOVERNMENT.

Why, then, would you post such an article?

John Knight



ps--let me go ahead and answer this question for you.  You're too STUPID to
understand the article, too ARROGANT to admit your mistake, and too enamored
with BIGGER GOVERNMENT to give it up.



pps--just out of curiosity, which part of "public involvement" would YOU
enjoy being raised by if you were a child?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Teri in Cali" <allkdathrt@yahoo.com>
To: "Israelite Knight" <israelites@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Positive Messages Encourage Public's Involvement With Children


> John,
> You are not only rude, and prejudiced, but you
> are clueless as to why I posted that article.
> People need information that will assist them in
> advocating for children.  That article, when
> applied correctly, something that you seem
> incapable of doing, is useful.  You can choose to
> read whatever you want into the article, or into
> my reason for posting it.  I don't care.  Just
> realize that you are way off base here.
> Teri
>
>
> --- Israelite Knight <israelites@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Teri,
> >
> > Who do you think the Ad Council (a jew front
> > organization) is proposing to
> > be "helping kids" in their statement
> > "Emphasized that helping kids results
> > in stronger and safer communities"?
> >
> > Do you think they're proposing that General
> > Motors or Microsoft do this?  Do
> > you think they're proposing to set up another
> > "private" [read: government
> > funded] program?  Do you think that BIGGER
> > GOVERNMENT is the objective?
> >
> > You forwarded this article proposing BIGGER
> > GOVERNMENT to a public news
> > group, and then proclaim that you have "no
> > thesis".  Why would you forward
> > such a STUPID article if you didn't at least
> > endorse the underlying thesis?
> >
> > If you disagree with this thesis, SAY SO.  If
> > you don't understand what this
> > article's thesis is, don't forward such
> > articles.
> >
> > John Knight
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Teri in Cali" <allkdathrt@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Israelite Knight"
> > <israelites@sbcglobal.net>
> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 3:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Positive Messages Encourage
> > Public's Involvement With Children
> >
> >
> > > My post had absolutely NOTHING to do with
> > > government.
> > >
> > > Just because the US govt gathered the
> > > information, it does not mean that I want to
> > give
> > > them any power or control, or even any
> > > involvement in this.
> > >
> > > There was no thesis.  I forwarded an article.
> > > Geez.
> > >
> > > Teri
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Israelite Knight
> > <israelites@sbcglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The breakdown of the family was caused by
> > > > giving government too much
> > > > authority in private religious and family
> > > > matters in the first place, and
> > > > now you think you're going to solve that
> > > > problem by giving government even
> > > > more authority than it already has?
> > > >
> > > > Your entire thesis is based on the cynical
> > > > notion that government is a
> > > > better parent than fathers, something
> > > > completely contrary to common sense
> > > > AND free exercise of religion by Christians
> > (as
> > > > well as most other world
> > > > religions).
> > > >
> > > > How could you possibly say "I don't get
> > your
> > > > point", when the point is
> > > > clear:  you're not promoting the
> > > > solution--you're promoting a worsening of
> > > > an already cataclysmic implosion of
> > society?
> > > >
> > > > John Knight
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Teri in Cali" <allkdathrt@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "Israelite Knight"
> > > > <israelites@sbcglobal.net>
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:33 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Positive Messages Encourage
> > > > Public's Involvement With Children
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't get your point.
> > > > >
> > > > > I posted this to assist others with press
> > > > > releases, emails, etc.  It says if we use
> > > > > positive phrases we will be heard better
> > than
> > > > if
> > > > > we are on the attack.
> > > > >
> > > > > My goal is to get parents equal custody.
> > I
> > > > know
> > > > > it benefits the kids.  I want this
> > message to
> > > > be
> > > > > heard.  Don't you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Teri
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Israelite Knight
> > > > <israelites@sbcglobal.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well, isn't that swell?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The jews have managed to convince the
> > > > feminazis
> > > > > > that government is now a
> > > > > > better parent than the father.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is like claiming that it's good
> > news
> > > > that
> > > > > > Washington, DC, is no longer
> > > > > > the murder capitol of the
> > world--because
> > > > the
> > > > > > murder rate in Gary, Indiana is
> > > > > > even higher.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What jews, feminazis, and
> > judeochristians
> > > > > > "think" is "good news" it utterly
> > > > > > disastrous to society.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Knight
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Teri in Cali"
> > <allkdathrt@yahoo.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: [euro-dads&mums] Positive
> > Messages
> > > > > > Encourage Public's Involvement
> > > > > > With Children
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ---Positive Messages Encourage
> > Public's
> > > > > > Involvement With Children---
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The public has a more positive view
> > of
> > > > > > children
> > > > > > > than a decade ago, and they respond
> > > > better to
> > > > > > > positive messages about helping
> > children
> > > > than
> > > > > > > negative ones, according to a recent
> > > > report
> > > > > > from the Ad
> > > > > > > Council. The Ad Council conducted
> > > > telephone
> > > > > > > surveys with more than 1,000 adults
> > to
> > > > > > determine their
> > > > > > > opinions about children and
> > childrearing.
> > > > > > When
> > > > > > > the 2004 survey results were compared
> > > > with
> > > > > > those of
> > > > > > > a similar survey conducted in 1995,
> > the
> > > > Ad
> > > > > > > Council found major shifts in the
> > > > public's
> > > > > > view of
> > > > > > > children.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not only did the 2004 results
> > indicate
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > public has a more positive view of
> > > > children,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > they also showed that most Americans
> > now
> > > > > > > acknowledge the importance of
> > community
> > > > > > support in helping
> > > > > > > parents raise children. The increased
> > > > > > optimism of
> > > > > > > the 2004 respondents is also
> > reflected in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > fact that 78 percent indicated they
> > would
> > > > > > like to
> > > > > > > help children in their community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The survey also tested the
> > persuasiveness
> > > > of
> > > > > > > various messages about helping
> > children
> > > > and
> > > > > > found
> > > > > > > that messages that were the most
> > > > effective
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > respondents:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >    *Emphasized that helping kids
> > results
> > > > in
> > > > > > > stronger and safer communities
> > > > > > >    *Talked about the personal rewards
> > of
> > > > > > helping
> > > > > > > kids
> > > > > > >    *Focused on the future prosperity
> > and
> > > > > > security
> > > > > > > of the country
> > > > > > >    *Emphasized compassion for parents
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Ad Council also gathered advice
> > from
> > > > more
> > > > > > > than 30 experts in the fields of
> > > > advertising,
> > > > > > > marketing, and communications
> > regarding
> > > > the
> > > > > > use of
> > > > > > > advertising to make children a top
> > > > priority
> > > > > > among the
> > > > > > > public. Their recommendations
> > included
> > > > the
> > > > > > > following:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >    *Conduct research about the target
> > > > > > audience.
> > > > > > >    *Focus the message so that it is
> > > > brief,
> > > > > > clear,
> > > > > > > and constantly reinforced.
> > > > > > >    *Make the message motivating and
> > > > > > persuasive.
> > > > > > >    *Be sensitive to tone, for
> > instance,
> > > > > > focusing
> > > > > > > on positive statements.
> > > > > > >    *Choose the messenger carefully.
> > > > > > >    *Keep current with demographic
> > trends.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To read the full Ad Council report,
> > > > "Turning
> > > > > > > Point: Engaging the Public on Behalf
> > of
> > > > > > Children"
> > > > > > > (funded by the Annie E. Casey
> > Foundation
> > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > MetLife Foundation), go to the Ad
> > Council
> > > > > > website at

John,
Now I know that not only are you rude and prejudiced, you are nuts
too.  Are you so bored that you have nothing better to do than start
an argument with someone by private email, just so you can post it
here, (without ever telling the other person)?  If this is your group
and you are desperate for posts, I can give you some pointers on how
to increase group activity.  You really don't have to contribute
everything.  It would have been nice if you would have explained to me
that you were using my emails to you for public consumption.  There's
this thing called netiquette.  You might want to look it up.  I
deleted your last email to me.  I was not going to respond to you.
You have a closed mind and are unable to hear the truth.  I won't
waste my time.  I do not appreciate having to track down and join this
group just to see what you have done.  Grow up Johnny Boy.
Teri

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Teri in Cali" <allkdathrt@yahoo.com>

Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 11:15 PM

Subject: [euro-dads&mums] Re: Lesbian couple wins custody point (Enquirer USA)


>
>
> Hi Peter,
> I feel exactly the opposite.  Any time I see media attention on a
> joint custody decision I'm thrilled that the concept is getting out
> there.  I've been around it and comfortable with the concept for over
> 20 years.  Many are barely hearing about it.  It needs to be mainstream.
>
> I also react this way whenever I see decisions that support equal
> rights, like for same sex couples.  So many in this movement are
> prejudiced, which is very sad.  The more people who get equal rights,
> the better chance of fathers getting them.
> Teri
>
> --- In euro-dads@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Tromp [NL]" <tromp@c...> wrote:
> > I feel more and more uncomfortable with these cases, because it is just
> > one more of these artificially created familyconstructions and I allways
> > wonder where the legal rights of the child with its father are arranged
> > for in these cases. It leads to father exclusion and I think it should
> > be stopped.
> > Peter
>

 

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