From: "Bob James" <bob@jamesgang.ws>

To: <Slick-D@topica.com>

Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 7:06 PM

Subject: {Slick-D} Bye Bye Birdie

>
> Dear Mr. Hall:
>
> After much patience, an intensive investigation, and a specific request
> asking you to repsond to allegations that was unheeded, while later messages were
> responded to, I will be removing you from this list.  If you would like to appeal this
> decision, I invite you to respond to support@topica.com.   I will be sending a copy of
> the this note to Topica support.  Your removal is based on these reasons:
>
> 1)  It is my understanding that Mr. John Knight was removed from topica.com
> because of violations of the TOS of topica.com.  Rich Martin, as the previous list
> owner, and I were both warned that certain posts should be removed from the
> archives because they violated the TOS.  The best I could tell was that those posts
> involved Mr. Knight.
>
> 2)  Immediately after Mr. Knight was removed, you subscribed and began posting.
>
> 3)  While your posts have not violated any TOS as I understand them to date, the
> attitude you have expressed is very much similar to Mr. Knight's attitude.
>
> 4)  According to Mr. Chambers' research, it appears that you use the same
> computer or computer connection to the internet as Mr. Knight.  (dsl-65-184-169-
> 85.telocity.com)  (This was later verified using e-mails I had saved that allegedly
> came from you and from Mr. Knight.  While Mr. Streett brought out the fact that you
> have a different IP address in later communications, that is too easily explainable
> based on the idea that once found out you would switch the way you communicated
> with the list.  It is easy to understand why Mr. Streett would support you, since it
> appears that all of you are involved in "Father's Rights" movements.   While certain
> aspects of that movement are laudable, that does not excuse other behavior.
>
> 5)  According to my research, other people in the past have suggested that Mark Hall
> and John Knight are one and the same.  Based on the attitudes expressed on those
> lists, and as seen in the following URL: http://fathersmanifesto.net/dek115.htm it is easy
> to see why that connection was made.  In the posts that Mr. Knight published to the
> web, much of the language used by Mark Hall was similar to the type of language Mr.
> Knight uses.   Please note that if there is any bias on that site, it would not be a bias
> against you.
>
> 6)  In addition to the IP address noted in #4, there have been occasions when Mark
> Hall and John Knight have used the same e-mail address: father09@idt.net.
>
> Based upon all of the above, it is my belief that if you are not Mr. Knight, or both of
> you are not the two aliases of another person, the relationship is of such a nature
> that allowing you on the list would be the same as allowing Mr. Knight to stay on the
> list after his account at Topica was revoked because his posts were in violation of the
> Topica TOS.  Accordingly you will be removed from this list.  In addition, I am asking
> you not to resubscribe under any other alias.  Should you do so, you will be reported
> to the appropriate authorities.
>
> Sincerely,
> Bob James
> List Owner

 

 

From: "Bruce Chesley" <excalibur25@juno.com>

To: <Slick-D@topica.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:55 AM


>      BRAVO, BOB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bruce Chesley

 

From: "Bob James" <bob@jamesgang.ws>

Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:57 AM

Subject: RE: {Slick-D} Fw: More of Knight's Hate SPAM. (KMM4365147V68246L0KM)

> All right folks!
>
> This is to let you know that not only has the person involved been
> kicked off Topica, there is a specific effort to clean out the archives
> to make sure that we are in accord with the TOS of Topica.  If you check
> the archives, and you quoted the person mentioned, you may find that
> your old posts have been deleted.  Please note that this has nothing to
> do with your response, but is being done to be in line with the TOS and
> avoid any possibility that we would be seen as lending credence to that
> person.  There will be a fuller explanation later.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Bruce Chesley wrote:
> >      Note that I have received the same notice from Topica.
> > Lets all PRAY that the other ISPs clean out these nazi
> > identity as well.
> > Bruce Chesley

 

 

 

From: "Bruce Chesley" <excalibur25@juno.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: {Slick-D} Christian (sic) Identity Taliban 100% Wrong

>      The total was already overwhelmingly pro sanity,
> so, I decided to save my PC the humiliation of receiving
> the anti goosestepper innoculation.
> Bruce Chesley
>
> On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 09:05:04 -0800 (PST) slk@xpresso.seaslug.org writes:
>      You mean, you _didn't_vote_?_
> Bill
>  
>  On Wed Apr  3 18:33:42 2002 Bruce Chesley wrote:
>      No, and they are . . . ?   I'd go there, but, my PC is
>  allergic to naziism;-)))))   

 

From: "Richard Kann" <him@comp-ware.net>

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:23 AM

Subject: Re: {Slick-D} Website owned by Johnny bin Knight

> You know, we have the same problem with fire ants down here in FL. I
> guess some pests are hard to get rid of.
>
> Rich
>
> Bruce Chesley wrote:
>
> >
> >     Unfortunately, the nazi identity movement is larger
> >than 1 - 2.  I don't have the FBI report handy, but, I
> >believe they documented that the nims were in almost
> >to every state.  One was profiled a few years ago in
> >the city next door to me.  He / it claimed to have more
> >support, but, never could produce another wacko for
> >an interview.  Not even when the local paper promised
> >anonymity.
> >Bruce Chesley

 

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From: "Dean Chambers" <dean@deanchambers.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:33 AM

Subject: Re: {Slick-D} Anti-Christian black Knight's Hate SPAM.

> I see Johnny bin Knight of the Christian (sic) Identity Taliban is back
> already.
>
> Dean
> =======
>

 

 

 

 

 

From: "Bruce Chesley" <excalibur25@juno.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 3:32 PM

Subject: {Slick-D} Why Nazi Identity Is WRONG.

>      The nazi - I refuse to call them "christian" as they are
> genuinely offensive to GOD and to REAL Christians -
> identity (bowel) movement is morally wrong about their
> "philosophy" towards Jews and non white races.  The
> proof is obvious.  I ask Bob James and those more
> keyed into actual Biblical passages to contribute to this
> thread.
>      My abilities are general concepts.  I ask Bob, et al.,
> to supply the actual passage references.
>      To begin this thread, I offer this.  The nazi identity
> (bowel) movement is hippocritical for these reasons:
> 1.  The nazi identity movement HATES Jews, yet, they
>      simultaneously state that hitler was at least partially
>      a Jew.
> 2.  The Bible states somewhere - Bob, someone - that
>      GOD will save INDIVIDUALS, based upon their
>      adherance to HIS laws.  This means that, regardless
>      how one classifies a person, GOD ultimately decides.
>
>      I grew up in a community that is one of the largest
> having Jews.  I had schoolmates, neighbors, playmates who
> comprised several classifications, including Jews.  I honestly
> state that the only "jew" who has ever screwed me over is
> aaron zelman, jpfo founder and executive director.  I did have
> a temporary run in with a Jewish landlord, who initially sided
> with his son, then realized that his son was wrong and I was
> right.  So much for the nazi identity movement "claim" that a
> Jew will always side with another Jew over a non Jew.  I'd
> continue, but, I'd like to open this thread to others.
>      Let the truth be revealed.
> Bruce Chesley

 

 

From: "Bob James" <bob@jamesgang.ws>

Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:57 AM

> All right folks!
>
> This is to let you know that not only has the person involved been
> kicked off Topica, there is a specific effort to clean out the archives
> to make sure that we are in accord with the TOS of Topica.  If you check
> the archives, and you quoted the person mentioned, you may find that
> your old posts have been deleted.  Please note that this has nothing to
> do with your response, but is being done to be in line with the TOS and
> avoid any possibility that we would be seen as lending credence to that
> person.  There will be a fuller explanation later.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Bruce Chesley wrote:
> > Note that I have received the same notice from Topica.
> > Lets all PRAY that the other ISPs clean out these nazi
> > identity as well.
> > Bruce Chesley

 

 

From: "Bruce Chesley" <excalibur25@juno.com>

Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:59 PM


>      I extend to Wilbur, my appology for recent posts that
> may have offended.  I appreciate his reply foe various
> reasons.
>      To begin. proir to my forced medical retirement, my
> professional career was mostly mainframe computers.  I
> have continued being informed on this technology.
>      I'll not now delve into the other direct apparisons.
> I will say that Wilbur seems to have very important
> contributions to make.
>      I am seperately forwarding this post to the surviving
> son of two holocaust survivors.  I hope to encourage his
> knowledge and experience to this thread.
> Bruce Chesley

 

 

 

From: "Bob James" <bob@jamesgang.ws>

Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:30 PM

Subject: RE: {Slick-D} Anti-Christian black Cheesley's Hate SPAM.

> A request from those of you who followed this idea.  Please turn the
> auto forwarding off!  We are working to keep Mr. Knight out of this
> area.  Topica doesn't like his ideas any more than we do.  If he gets on
> again, we will be sure to remove him.  After they took action, more
> complaints will not help! 
>
> So, turn those auto-forwards off, and the twit filters on!
>
> Bob
>
> Dean Chambers wrote:
> > Bruce, excellent.
> >
> > Dean
>
> > >
> > >      Dean, thanks for tickling my neuron.  I had twit filter delete
> > > nazi knight.  Your below post caused me to browse my Juno
> > > Mail Assistants Help.  Seems that I can do the same as you.
> > > I LOVE this stuff;-)))))
> > > Bruce Chesley
> > >
> > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002 12:47:52 -0500 Dean Chambers <dean@deanchambers.com>
> > > writes:
> > >      Should I automate, via message rules, to automatically forward
> > > your message to the various abuse departments, Mr. Knight ?  Or
> > > maybe you'll be banned soon, as you should be, for posting this
> > > kind of trash.

From: "Glenn Wolf" <glennw@uslink.net>

Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:59 PM

Subject: Re: {Slick-D} What is hate spam?

> OK, maybe the term "racist" would be more accurate. Either way, it is a
> belief system you have CHOSEN. You are arguing semantics. You believe what
> you believe because you want to believe it. A Jew is a Jew because he is a
> descendant of Abraham. BIG DIFFERENCE! Nobody here that I have seen has
> expressed hatred toward you as a person. What we find detestable are your
> beliefs. Christ teaches us to love all people, but to hate evil. That is
> what is being expressed here, hatred of your evil beliefs.
>
> Glenn

From: "Thomas Knapp" <thomaslknapp@yahoo.com>

Cc: <jdl@jdl.org>

Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 11:50 PM

> > From: "Dean Chambers" <dean@deanchambers.com>
> > > I am making no such assumptions, I've proven conclusively (IP
> > > addresses
> > are
> > > the internet equivalent of DNA) that you _are_ in fact John Knight,
> > > and I posted one of your hate messages that you in fact posted on
> > > this list some weeks ago this year.
> > >
> > > Dean
> > > =======
> >
> > Using your standard of proof, I've just proven that you're Elvis
> > Presley.
> >
> > Why don't you sing a song for us to prove it's wrong?
>
> This is at least partially right.
>
> Given a static IP, it is reasonable to assume that the same person
> now posting as "Mark Hall" is the person who previously posted as
> "John Knight," or at least someone using the same ISP account.
>
> On the other hand, there is no reason to assume that "John
> Knight" even exists. The far more likely scenario is that both "Mark
> Hall" and "John Knight" are the same person but that both are
> someone who does not go by that name. Daniel Amneus, Ph.D.,
> perhaps, or one of his designees.
>
> For that matter, it's possible that "Christian Party"/"John
> Knight"/"Mark Hall" et al aren't affiliated with Amneus at all. Given
> the fringe area in which they operate, they could just be trafficking
> falsely on the name of a professor emeritus at Cal State - Los
> Angeles and hoping he never notices. Amneus might not even _be_
> an anti-semite, and might be unaware that these freaks are using
> his name, address, etc. to lend false credibility to their idiocy.
>
> As a matter of fact, I know just the people to investigate the whole
> rotten sack of garbage. I don't have the time or energy to track
> down every racist freak on the net and give'em what for, but some
> people MAKE the time and energy, so I think I'll just cc those guys
> and let _them_ handle "christianparty.net" in their own inimitable
> way.
>
> Regards,
> Tom Knapp

From: "Dean Chambers" <dean@deanchambers.com>

To: <chrspart@polbox.com>; <manifesto@netzero.net>; <tcffc2000@yahoo.com>; <artbooks@rocketmail.com>; <markhall@rocketmail.com>; <christianparty@HotPOP.com>; <christianparty@crosswinds.net>

Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 5:32 PM

Subject: Legal Notice to John Knight/Daniel Amneus

> Dr. Daniel Amneus, alias "John Knight", "Mark Hall", "Art Books"
>
> LEGAL NOTICE
> To: Dr. Daniel Amneus
> 2131 S. Primrose Ave
> Alhambra, Ca 91803
> US
> 760 708 6423
> From: Dean Chambers
> Re: unsolicited e-mails
>
>
> Daniel Amneus, e-mailing as "John Knight," has sent or caused to be sent one
> or more unsolicited email ("spam'") messages to an email address at the
> dean@deanchambers.com domain name.   Your spam was not sent in response to
> any request for information.  Spam is an annoyance and takes up my valuable
> time, bandwidth, server space, and computer hard drive space.  Effective
> immediately, your further use, by sending unsolicited e-mail to them for any
> purposes, of any e-mail address ending with any of my domain names:
> deanchambers.com
> constitutes your agreement to the following terms and conditions:
>
> 1.      Each time you send UCE to our e-mail address, you agree to pay a
> usage fee of one thousand dollars ($1000.00) within 30 days of our invoice,
> payable to Dean Chambers.  This fee is deliberately high because
> we do not want to spend our time and bandwidth dealing with unsolicited
> e-mail unless I am paid to do so.  You will be invoiced on a monthly basis
> and agree to pay interest at the rate of eighteen percent (18%) per annum on
> any balance which remains unpaid for more than thirty (30) days.
>
> 2.      You agree to accept service of process from the Courts of the
> Commonwealth of Massachusetts as well
> as the jurisdiction of Massachusetts courts for the enforcement of this
> obligation.
>
> 3.      You agree to pay the costs of collection, including reasonable
> attorney fees, even if the cost of collection exceeds the usage fee.
>
> This message constitutes an offer which you may accept by sending commercial
> email or causing it to be sent to any email address at any of the
> above-listed domains.  If you notify us that you do not agree to these
> conditions, then you do not have permission to send me unsoliciated e-mail
> to any of the above-listed domains; your doing so without permission will
> constitute trespass to chattel and will be pursued by legal action. If you
> choose to continue sending me e-mails, you will be accepting these terms and
> the responsiblity that goes along with them.
>
> Dean
> =======
>

From: "Bruce Chesley" <excalibur25@juno.com>

To: <Slick-D@topica.com>

Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 6:33 PM

Subject: {Slick-D} READ ASAP.

>      All Slick-D subscribers need to file a proactive Abuse
> Complaint with their own ISP against john knight / mark
> hall / et al., to the effect that said individual has been
> kicked off the Slaik-D@Topica.com list several times for
> his blatant anti Semitic / racist violations of various ISPs'
> and the Slick-D Terms of Service agreements against
> certain "hate speach", specifically anti Semitic / racist.
> That john knight, or by whatever alais he has assumed, may
> file false abuse complaints against you to your ISP.
> Bruce Chesley