The Invasion of Hispanics

First of all, I'm a Christian, not a conservative. Second of all, I could not give a rat's .ss whether or not I meet anyone's standard for racism.

Third of all, to get BACK to the point at hand, it is not correct to say that there is a "testing gap" between Hispanics and Asians. It IS correct to say that, as measured by standardized tests like the Graduate Record Exam which are used for admission to graduate school, the gap in academic skills between these two groups INCREASED.

Relative to income taxes paid, Hispanics are over-represented as welfare recipients by THIRTY SIX FOLD

Exactly who are the 43.8% of taxpayers who pay only 1.4% of income taxes, and thus have an effective tax rate of 4.9%?
AND who are the 0.1% who pay 20.4% of income taxes and thus have an effective rate of 27.5%?

17.5% are non-white Hispanics whose household income is $39,005, which is too low to be required to pay income taxes (compared to $47,000 for Whites who pay most of the other 56.2% of income taxes). And another 13% are Blacks whose household incomes are $33,321, which is also too low to be required to pay any income taxes.

Of the 43.8% who essentially pay no taxes, 30.5% are Blacks and Hispanics, leaving us with another unknown and unidentified 13.3% who pay only 1.4% of the taxes. If this tax distribution is uniform, then Blacks and Hispanics pay less than 1% (0.97%), and the other as yet unidentified group pays the other 0.43%.

Hispanics are

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2017/hispanic-heritage.html

According to the U.S Census Bureau "The per capita income for the overall population in 2008 was $26,964; for non-Hispanic Whites, it was $31,313; for Blacks, it was $18,406; for Asians, it was $30,292; and for Hispanics, it was $15,674."

The Gap Between Hispanics and White Hispanics is HUGE

In one five year period

GRE Quantitative Score 1996
Asian men = 638
Mexican men = 517
Gap = 121, an SD of 1.03

GRE Quantitative Score 2001
Asian men = 671
Mexican men = 530
Gap = 141, an SD of 1.21

If you know anything about standard deviations, you know this is not an insignificant change. As proof that this is not cherry picking, at the same time:

The gap between Asian men and Black women increased from 234 to 267 points.

The gap between White men and Black women increased from 182 to 199 points.

The gap between Asian men and Asian women increased from 66 to 72 points

By race (and sex) the gaps between salaries for electrical engineers, when measured in SD (standard deviations) are consistent with the gaps in GRE scores. At the graduate level, Asian males score 68 GRE points or 0.53 SD higher than White males, and in electrical engineering salaries they earn $9,000 more than Whites (something I am INTIMATELY familiar with, so I can easily confirm the difference here), which is a standard deviation of 0.5SD.

But at lower salaries, the salary gaps are much bigger. The 1.21SD gap between Asian men and Mexican men in GRE scores translates into 2 $27,000 gap in annual salaries, or 2.0SD.

And the salary gap between Asian men and Hispanic men (who earn $57,000) is a whopping ($98,000 - $57,000 = $41,000 / $16,000 SD ) = 2.56SD, compared to a standard deviation of only 1.0SD gap in GRE scores.

Puerto Rican electrical engineers also earn $57,000 so their salary gap is also 2.56SD, but their GRE gap is 1.29SD.

So on average, a 1.17SD gap in GRE scores for Hispanics translates into an average salary gap of 2.37SD for them.

Employees should never be paid more than their economic worth, which is why affirmative action has been such a disaster. Consider this:

The gaps in engineering salaries between the sexes of most races are consistent with the gaps in GRE scores:

White = $5,000 = 0.31SD
Asian = $14,000 = 0.88SD
Hispanic = $13,000 = 0.81SD
Mexican = $6,000 = 0.38SD
Puerto Rican = $6,000 =.38SD
Black = $4,000 = 0.25SD

What is not consistent with GRE scores is that Hispanics score higher than Blacks on GRE scores but Hispanic women earn $11,000 less than Black women and Hispanic men earn $2,000 less than Black men, which can be explained by decades of affirmative action which targeted Blacks and ignored Hispanics. Affirmative action also explains the relatively small sex gap for Whites vs. Asians, 0.31SD vs. 0.88SD, where White women but not Asian women benefitted. Of course this is not fair to Hispanic men: nor Hispanic women, nor Asian women, nor Puerto Rican men or women, nor Mexican men or women, nor Indian men or women, nor White men, and ultimately, not fair to the entire US economy.

And just how did that work out? Can you call it a "success", if Asian attorneys earn an average annual salary of $80,000 while Mexican attorneys earn HALF as much, or $40,000:"

In standard deviations, this gap in salaries is 2.5 SD.

So a 1.2 SD in GRE scores translates into a 2.5 SD in salaries in just about every profession you will find Hispanics in. Please note that the demand for Hispanics for firemen, policemen, and economists is so low that there is not enough data to calculate their starting salaries.

About the only career in which a Hispanic can expect to earn more than Asians is as construction workers where Mexicans earn 26% more than Asians ($48,000 vs. $38,000), which might be considered good news if it were not that Blacks earn 12% more at $54,000 and Whites earn 29% more at $62,000.

And before you complain too loudly that the only reason American Whites pay Mexican engineers so little is because of "discrimination", don't forget that Mexicans in Mexico pay Mexican engineers a mere $18,744 per year, about ONE FOURTH of what we pay them, at $71,000.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/engineer.shtml

Even as truck drivers, Blacks and Asians earn 74% more than Hispanics.

And as electrical engineers, where a college education SHOULD be helping them, Asians still earn 72% more, $98,000 vs. $57,000

Where's the beef?

We should also add that this was AFTER Hispanics had been sent to and GRADUATED from universities of a quality which no Hispanic in human history had been sent to.

It was also after hundreds of thousands of much more qualified White and Asian boys had been REJECTED in order to accommodate less qualified women, Hispanics, and Blacks.

And just how did that work out? Can you call it a "success", if Asian attorneys earn an average annual salary of $80,000 while Mexican attorneys earn HALF as much, or $40,000:

Or when White surgeons earn $172,000, FOUR TIMES that of Hispanic surgeons at $47,000:

I agree this is happening. I WILDLY DISAGREE that it is good for ANYONE, least of all the radical feminists who started it all.

By the sheer *definition*, both are hard left communists.

I could not give a rat's .ss if the "right" is "exploiting" the administration, or if the right is just a bunch of communist extremists, or if they are from Mars.

What MOST Americans DO care about is that there are far too many Muslims IN the country who should not even be here in the first place, to let them get away with ASSASSINATING an ambassador.

The value of the dollar today is one cent on the dollar compared to what it was before the Fed was created. Any wonder why the taxpayers who paid for it all would object?

"Epilef2000
Firstly, Richwine said that the Native Americans on the reservations have not assimilated. However, I have problem with Richwine's assumption on "assimilation" that is hast to be typified by "whites." Firstly, there is no universal white culture in America. The Caucasian race is incredibly diverse in terms of culture: music, political ideology, even work ethic etc. Not to mention that hip-hop, and rap are Black music that is heard and supported by the White community; even in food, salsa for nacho chips are sold more than ketchup, and increasingly among you college students, the arabic "hookah" is increasingly consumed as opposed to cigarettes"

Race or racial diversity is not determined by music, food, drugs, or politics. To some degree it is determined by religion, as the 10-20% of Americans who claim to be Catholics (most of whom are Hispanics who are not even Caucasians) follow the Pope rather than Jesus, which makes them anathema to God and Jesus, and thus to PROTESTants. Hispanics around here openly hate Caucasians and La Raza has openly declared war on Caucasians to "take back" the West, something that never makes the mass hysteria media. But they hate Blacks even more, which is why in EVERY area of the country where they attempt to coexist, the crime rates are THROUGH THE ROOF [read: 10 times higher than any part of Africa and 400 TIMES higher than Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Ireland, and North Dakota].

Countries go to WAR when their ambassadors are assassinated like this. It as an assassinated German ambassador which triggered WWII.

And here we are, the "world's policeman", sitting around like sitting ducks, waiting for the next attack rather than chasing them down.

POSTED 4:30 am Tuesday, May 14, 2013
3 hours ago vivian777
"So according to your logic, EVERYone needs to be carrying a loaded weapon at all times no matter where they are to be completely safe."

On the contrary. Aren't the vast majority of the private firearms in Wisconsin are in the home, or somewhere close by where they are easily accessible?

Hasn't the point been made on this vey forum that criminals are creatures of opportunity? They will naturally assault or attack a group or a community where they know, or at least believe, there are less private firearms, whether in the home or carried by citizens? Hasn't the point has also been made on this forum that the Supreme Court fully expected that throwing out DC restrictive gun control laws was going to double the murder rate, rather than cut it in half, which it did?

Isn't this a VERY important lesson about how important the Second Amendment is, even in our nation's capitol? That even with five separate police forces and the full backing of the police by the federal government, it STILL qualified as the Murder Capital of the World for many years in the last five decades.

What more proof do we need that the police CANNOT (and actually are not even constitutionally required to) do that job by themselves?

CAMBEL
Hispanics surpassed whites in college enrollment in 2012. So by your commentary you must then say that the numbers would show they are smarter than whites.

Ever heard of affirmative action?

Ever heard of our looming one trillion dollar student loan default?

"Epilef2000 The facts are accurately quoted. Its the conclusions he has extrapolated that is causing the controversy. Now you can agree or disagree with the conclusions. The Heritage Foundation is known to be center-right, and accordingly receive support from the same groups-they are not dependent on liberal or Democratic support, so why would they fiire, or force Richwine to resign?"

I know some of the Heritage Foundation leaders, like Patrick Fagan who I have discussed these issues with at length, and do not agree at all that they are "center-right".

From the perspective of this CHRISTIAN, they are hard leftists.

Why else would they fire someone for ACCURATELY quoting FEDERAL statistics? Why else would they BRAG that this is why they fired him?

It's precisely this extremist form of political correctness which is DESTROYING this once-great nation, and I've got no use or respect for ANY organization which does this type of thing.

Academic skills this low are too low to sustain a technological society, which is why Mexico and Spain and most of South America are in such terrible shape, physically, economically, and politically.

On ALL of these tests, Hispanics, regardless of which group you test or which country or state you test them in (Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Latinos, or white Hispanic), as well as American Indians, all score within a few points of each other, more than one standard deviation lower than American Asians (who score much lower than Asians in Japan or Korea), and one half to three quarters of a standard deviation higher than Blacks.

This is a mathematical fact of life. And the MORE we try to narrow the gaps, the BIGGER the gaps get. In just five years, the Race/sex gap leaped from 234 to 267 points on GRE tests.

I'm sure you would fire me for saying that if you could. But the alternative is to LIE and I'm simp.y not going to do that no matter how many times you try to fire me.

To set the record straight, on a forum on hard leftist MSNBC, more than 1 million took a poll asking whether or not 19 hapless Arabs managed to pull of 9/11, and 785,000, including myself, voted NO!

EVEN so, this is NO excuse for letting criminals off the hook, is it?

Do you realize this is EXACTLY what the FEDERAL data base, and all other test data bases (GRE, SAT, ACT, PISA, TIMSS, NAEP) report, and they are all consistent with each other.

And why should he be fired when it IS true that since Thomas Jefferson tried to convert the Indians to Christianity, that they have NOT "assimilated"?

It does nobody any good to LIE to children or parents and give them false expectations, does it?

This is worse than lying about the emperor's clothes.

The type of lies and misrepresentations about test scores that you seek to promulgate are preciely the type that Beverly Hall is going to PRISON for. And guess who was more upsent than anyone that their children's grades and test scores were fabricated: THEIR PARENTS.

Nobody likes to be lied to, and especially nobody likes to be lied to about their own CHILDREN no matter what the TRUTH actually is.

Are you trying to make points by claiming that Jesus, who had to be pure and have a spotless heritage in order to be a sacrifice to God, was actually part African Black?

iow, even though the Holy Bible was written by, for, and about His holy seed, His holy seed never existed and does not exist today?

People are getting fired and condemned and criticized all the time for simply quoting FEDERAL statistics. Sean Connery simply QUOTED statistics straight from the White House web site, his guest went postal, and most on hp condemned him for it without EVER checking to see what the TRUTH is.

This is not acceptable, no matter how many slurs are slung at people like this.

As I mentioned, there ARE some key outliers which are important but were omitted in order to achieve a higher r-squared.
But please note, this applies across countries, across states, and across cities. iow, being a large or densely populated state or city does not adversely influence the correlation.

FantasticFourFan
What "lie"? There is no controversy here. The emails were given to congress and even the NYT has read them and admits there's nothing new in them. The right is trying to find a cover up where there isn't one.

When I see 200 Muslims gutted the way they gutted Ambassador Stevens, or slaughtered the way almost 100 Christians in Waco (most of whom were women and children) were slaughtered, only THEN will I believe that they did not lie when they promised they would get the perps.

Have they done that? NO! It's WAY too late to do that now isn't it?

There's so little demand for Puerto Rican, Mexican, Hispanic, and Black policemen and firemen that there is no salary data for them, so it's not possible to determine which race is given affirmative action preferences in these professions.

As surgeons, Blacks earn 28% more than Hispanics, 15% more than Mexican surgeons, an equivalent amount to Puerto Rican surgeons, while Whites earn 286% more. As attorneys, Blacks earn 10% more than Mexicans, there is no data for Cuban and Puerto Rican attorneys, they earn half as much as White attorneys and Asian attorneys earn 82% more:

Teachers in Brazil earn 942 reals per month, which is $471, which is 1/8th of what Mexican teachers earn HERE.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/brazil.shtml

Teachers in Peru earn 1,730 sols per month, which is $665 per month, which is 1/5th of what Mexican teachers earn HERE.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/peru.shtml

And finally, teachers in Mexico earn 8,146 pesos per month, which is $768 per month, which is less than 1/5th of what Mexican teachers earn HERE.

http://www.worldsalaries.org/mexico.shtml

If their home countries pay teachers so little there, WHY should we be required to pay them so much more HERE?

Won't they work for a competitive wage? Why not? Teachers' unions perhaps?

As math teachers, Blacks earn the least, which is consistent with their performance on GRE quantitative scores. Women math teachers earn 45% more, men math teachers earn 73% more, Asian math teachers earn 209% more, Mexican math teachers earn 23% more, and Puerto Rican math teachers earn 40% more:

Blacks fare slightly better as truck drivers than as math teachers, earning the same as Asian truck drivers, 73% more than Hispanic truck drivers, but Mexican truck drivers earn 78% more and White truck drivers earn FIVE TIMES more.

The profession where Blacks earn the least is taxi driver, with Asians earning 233% more, and White, Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Hispanic taxi drivers earning 260% more. There is so little demand for women taxi drivers that there is no data for their salaries so they can't be compared to Blacks.

The salary of $1,562 per month for engineers in Mexico is over-represented, and thus misrepresented, when shown in Purchasing Power Parity, because the ACTUAL salary in dollars is $952. Thus, at $71,000 per year, American Whites pay Mexican engineers HERE six TIMES more than Mexicans pay Mexican engineers in Mexico.

Ditto for the average salary for engineers in Peru which in PPP is $2,560 versus $1,952 in REAL dollars:

http://www.worldsalaries.org/peru.shtml

Assuming that Peruvians are counted as "Hispanics" who earn only $57,000 as engineers, this would mean that American Whites here pay Peruvian engineers 2 1/2 TIMES as much as Peruvians pay Peruvian engineers in Peru.

Why should this be? How can it be considered fair that we pay engineers 2-6 TIMES as much as they would earn in their own country?

Hispanics

Carpenter Job Average Salary
Country	Net Monthly Income constant 2005 US$ [a] [d]	Notes, Source	Gross Monthly Job Income	Compulsory Deductions	Weekly Hours

Australia average income	PPP $ 2,567	$ 2,520	May 2004. Normal hours from collective agreements. Australian Bureau of Statistics, [9], [t].	4,151	dollars	20%	41.6
U.S. average salary	PPP $ 2,460	$ 2,460	Full-time and part-time employees, 2005. U.S. Department of Labor, [t].	3,037	dollars	19%	39.6
Norway average income	PPP $ 2,246	$ 3,098	Employees, 2005. Statistics Norway, [9].	28,972	kroners	31%	37.5
Germany average salary	PPP $ 2,103	$ 2,271	Minimum per month, 2005, normal hours of work. Federal Statistical Office of Germany, [9], [t].	2,498	euros	27%	39.0
UK median salary	PPP $ 1,864	$ 2,163	Employees, 2005. UK Employment Department, [9], [t].	1,583	pounds	25%	39.0
Canada average income	PPP $ 1,846	$ 1,844	Employees, 2005. Statistics Canada, [9], [t].	3,059	dollars	27%	34.1
Finland average salary	PPP $ 1,821	$ 2,174	Normal hours of work, 2004. Men only. Women make 2,208 euros per month. Statistics Finland, [9], [k], [t].	2,425	euros	30%	40.0
Belgium average salary	PPP $ 1,781	$ 1,887	Minimum per month, normal hours of work, 2004. Men only. Institut National de Statistique, [9], [t].	2,075	euros	29%	36.0
Korea average salary	PPP $ 1,702	$ 1,350	Excl. overtime and bonus, June 2005. Korea Ministry of Labour, [9].	1,496,635	wons	8%	44.0
Taiwan average income	PPP $ 1,549	$ 829	Full-time and part-time employees, 2004. National Statistics Republic of China, [9].	28,911	dollars	7%	42.8
Italy average salary	PPP $ 1,441	$ 1,555	Normal hours of work, 2005. Istituto Nazionale di Statistica, [9].	1,711	euros	27%	40.0
Austria average salary	PPP $ 1,426	$ 1,143	Employees, minimum per month, 2002. Men only. Austrian Central Statistical Office (�STAT), [9], [t].	1,465	euros	24%	39.0
Czech Republic average income	PPP $ 735	$ 480	Excl. bonuses, 2005. Czech Statistical Office, [9].	14,704	korunas	22%	42.1
Peru average salary	PPP $ 714	$ 328	Employees, June 2005. Men only. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica e Informatica, [9].	1,251	sols	14%	63.0
Slovakia average income	PPP $ 698	$ 359	Employees, 2004. �tatistick� �rad Slovenskej republiky, [9], [k].	14,356	korunas	22%	33.4
Mexico average income	PPP $ 679	$ 435	Employees, 2005. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica, Geograf�a e Informatica (INEGI), [9], [k].	4,875	pesos	3%	48.0
Portugal average salary	PPP $ 658	$ 527	Employees, 2003. Instituto Nacional de Estat�stica, [9].	499	euros	12%	39.6
Singapore average salary	PPP $ 619	$ 567	Employees, private sector, 2004. Ministry of Manpower, [9], [t].	1,164	dollars	20%
Poland average income	PPP $ 605	$ 324	Employees, 2004. Poland Central Statistical Office, [9], [k].	1,632	zlotys	30%	41.0
Kuwait average income	PPP $ 550	$ 687	Men employees, 2004. Kuwait Ministry of Planning, [9].	196	dinars	0%	51.0
Philippines average salary	PPP $ 546	$ 121	Employees, 2004. National Statistics Office, [9], [t].	7,163	pesos	8%
China average salary	PPP $ 544	$ 127	Employees, 2005. National Bureau of Statistics of China, [9].	1,133	yuans	8%
Russia average salary	PPP $ 543	$ 217	Employees, men only, 2004. Federal State Statistics Office, [9].	6,982	roubles	13%	40.0
Hungary average salary	PPP $ 535	$ 339	Employees, May 2005. Hungarian Central Statistical Office, [9], [k].	85,390	forints	21%
Latvia average income	PPP $ 519	$ 231	Adult full-time and part-time employees, 2005. Central Statistical Bureau of Latvia, [9], [t].	174	lats	26%	39.2
Brazil average income	PPP $ 512	$ 188	Employees, Dec 2003. Ministerio do Trabalho e da Previd�ncia Social, [9].	596	reals	10%	43.8
Lithuania average salary	PPP $ 476	$ 181	Employees, 2002. Men. Statistics Lithuania, [9].	836	litas	27%	40.0
Thailand average salary	PPP $ 342	$ 109	Men employees, 2005. Women make 5,457 bahts per month. Thailand National Statistical Office, [9], [t], [s].	4,663	bahts	6%	47.0
Romania average salary	PPP $ 314	$ 161	Men employees, 2005. Women make 606 new lei per month. Romania National Institute of Statistics, [9].	629	new lei	26%	38.8

Airline Pilot Job Average Salary
Country	Net Monthly Income constant 2005 US$ [a] [d]	Notes, Source	Gross Monthly Job Income	Compulsory Deductions	Weekly Hours

Germany average salary	PPP $ 8,448	$ 9,122	Minimum per month, 2005. Federal Statistical Office of Germany, [9], [t].	12,208	euros	40%
Taiwan average income	PPP $ 7,867	$ 4,212	Full-time and part-time employees, 2004. National Statistics Republic of China, [9].	175,030	dollars	22%	40.6
Philippines average salary	PPP $ 5,639	$ 1,253	Employees, 2004. National Statistics Office, [9], [t].	98,575	pesos	31%
UK median salary	PPP $ 5,323	$ 6,177	Employees, 2005. UK Employment Department, [9], [t].	5,217	pounds	35%	37.4
Kuwait average income	PPP $ 5,163	$ 6,445	Men employees, 2004. Kuwait Ministry of Planning, [9].	1,840	dinars	0%	39.0
Brazil average income	PPP $ 4,851	$ 1,913	Employees, 2001. Ministerio do Trabalho e da Previd�ncia Social, [9].	5,132	reals	22%	38.6
Peru average salary	PPP $ 4,801	$ 2,074	Employees, June 2002. Men only. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica e Informatica, [9].	8,697	sols	26%
Norway average income	PPP $ 4,263	$ 4,500	Employees, 2001. Statistics Norway, [9].	59,151	kroners	38%	37.5
U.S. average income	PPP $ 4,206	$ 4,206	Aircraft pilots & flight engineers, median earnings, 2007. Standardized weeks per month: 4.33. U.S. Department of Labor, [t].	5,884	dollars	24%
Mexico average income	PPP $ 4,148	$ 2,529	Employees, 2004. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica, Geograf�a e Informatica (INEGI), [9], [k].	36,389	pesos	24%	45.0
Italy average salary	PPP $ 3,997	$ 4,316	Normal hours of work, 2005. Istituto Nazionale di Statistica, [9].	6,080	euros	43%	38.0
Australia average income	PPP $ 3,508	$ 3,443	May 2004. Normal hours from collective agreements. Australian Bureau of Statistics, [9], [t].	6,050	dollars	25%	35.7
Thailand average salary	PPP $ 3,335	$ 1,064	Men employees, 2005. Thailand National Statistical Office, [9], [t], [s].	48,036	bahts	11%	39.0
China average salary	PPP $ 3,249	$ 761	Employees, 2005. National Bureau of Statistics of China, [9].	6,844	yuans	9%
Austria average salary	PPP $ 3,202	$ 2,565	Employees, minimum per month, 2002. Austrian Central Statistical Office (�STAT), [9], [t].	3,968	euros	37%	38.5
Portugal average salary	PPP $ 2,915	$ 2,337	Employees, 2003. Instituto Nacional de Estat�stica, [9].	2,862	euros	32%	31.9
Latvia average income	PPP $ 2,757	$ 1,225	Adult full-time and part-time employees, 2005. Central Statistical Bureau of Latvia, [9], [t].	991	lats	31%	40.1
Hungary average salary	PPP $ 2,629	$ 1,669	Employees, May 2005. Hungarian Central Statistical Office, [9], [k].	614,361	forints	46%
Romania average salary	PPP $ 2,228	$ 1,144	Men employees, 2005. Romania National Institute of Statistics, [9].	5,784	new lei	43%	38.8
Russia average salary	PPP $ 2,161	$ 864	Employees, men only, 2004. Federal State Statistics Office, [9].	27,769	roubles	13%	36.2
Lithuania average salary	PPP $ 1,674	$ 604	Employees, 2000. Statistics Lithuania, [9].	3,183	litas	33%	32.8

Local educators who work with Latino students say the most effective way to combat the achievement gap is through early intervention, before the child even reaches kindergarten.

By SCOTT MARTINDALE / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

More Hispanic parents must be educated about early childhood development and the important role they play in their children's schooling, experts say, in the wake of an alarming new study that indicates Hispanic students are underperforming their white counterparts by the same wide margins as they were two decades ago.

The U.S. Department of Education report, released June 23, shows the achievement gap between white and Hispanic students has not closed at all since the early 1990s, with the overall difference between the groups remaining above 20 points, or roughly two grade levels, on a scale of 0 to 500.

Article Tab: Roxana Rodriguez speaks at a reception last month for the Latino Educational Attainment Initiative at the Discovery Science Center in Santa Ana. Rodriguez shared how through the help of the program, she was the first one ever in her family to graduate from college. Rodriguez is a success story, but experts say immense challenges remain to close the achievement gap between Hispanic and white students.

Roxana Rodriguez speaks at a reception last month for the Latino Educational Attainment Initiative at the Discovery Science Center in Santa Ana. Rodriguez shared how through the help of the program, she was the first one ever in her family to graduate from college. Rodriguez is a success story, but experts say immense challenges remain to close the achievement gap between Hispanic and white students.

�With everything that the state of California is trying to do, it's frustrating that the achievement gap really hasn't moved,� said Alicia Berhow, administrator for the Latino Educational Attainment Initiative, an outreach project of the Orange County Business Council.

�We are not waiting for the state or school districts to help us with our children here in Orange County,� Berhow said. �We're taking the bull by the horns and going out into the communities where the parents are, teaching them that this is what you need to know so your kids will succeed.�

The report shows a 21-point gap in math between fourth-grade Hispanic and white students in 2009. At grade eight, the gap rises to 26 points.

The gap is similarly wide in reading � 25 points in fourth grade and 24 in eighth.

California fares even worse than the U.S. average, trailing the nation by 4 to 7 points in fourth- and eight-grade reading and math.

Early intervention is key

Local educators who work with Latino students and other underperforming minorities say the most effective way to combat this systemic problem is through early intervention, before the child even reaches kindergarten.

That in itself is a challenge, though, because many Latino parents tend not to understand the importance of the early years of a child's development, said Virginia Mann, founder of a UC Irvine-based preschool intervention program that targets parents in Santa Ana. Consequently, these parents tend to set up their children for failure in school.

"Young Latino parents have a lot of odd views � they believe they will hurt their children if they teach them Spanish, or they believe the TV will educate them because, oh, it's in English," said Mann, a UCI cognitive sciences professor and director of the Home Activities Building Language Acquisition program, or HABLA.

"When these kids enter kindergarten and try to learn English, but they don't know their colors and shapes in Spanish, it's a double whammy," Mann said. "I've seen where these children stumble � they don't have a good enough vocabulary. They haven't even learned to write their name; they think their name is mijo."

Sticking a child in front of a TV, even to watch English-language educational shows like "Sesame Street," is not an acceptable alternative, Mann added.

If preschoolers aren't in a rich, stimulating environment that includes being engaged in conversation daily and mastering a language � any language � they are automatically going to be behind in kindergarten, a setback from which they may never recover, Mann said.

Cultural forces at work

Although Orange County is home to a number of Latino outreach programs, including HABLA and the Latino Educational Attainment Initiative, cultural forces in Latino communities can sometimes overpower their effectiveness.

Fullerton parent Estanislao Rodriguez, who emigrated from Mexico 21 years ago, said many Latino immigrants tend to self-impose personal limitations, and those limitations hinder their kids as well. It's a vicious cycle that's difficult to break, Rodriguez said.

"The families that helped me immigrate back in 1990 � I can sadly say they live the same way they left our country of Mexico," said Rodriguez, who has three kids, 9, 14 and 18. "They still talk the same, behave the same, dress the same, and have all kinds of limitations in their mind.

"Instead of encouraging their kids, the parents say, 'You're not going to make it in college; you've got to go to work,'" said Rodriguez, president of the parent-led English Learner Advisory Committee at Woodcrest Elementary in Fullerton.

"When I talk to parents, they bring up cheap excuses for not being supportive of their kids and not attending school meetings. It's sad that they drive their cars to the parking lot, take their kids out of the car and leave. They don't know what happens after that."

For the parents who are willing to listen and learn, resources are abundant. The Fullerton Collaborative, a project of the Fullerton School District, acts as a mentor, cheerleader, support network and friend to Latino parents in Fullerton, helping them understand how to navigate even the most basic aspects of the U.S. school system, said Pam Keller, executive director for the Fullerton Collaborative.

"Some of them come from places where you would never question the teacher � it would be rude to ask a question," Keller said. "Here you're expected to be a partner. It just takes a little prodding and a little pushing. These parents care about their kids just like anyone else."

Gains being made

While no one denies the achievement gap between Hispanic students and their white counterparts remains vast, the recent findings do not mean Hispanic students aren't making gains.

English language learners tend to drag down the average test scores for Hispanic students as a whole. In fourth-grade reading, for example, the gap between white students and Hispanics who are not English language learners has declined from 24 points in 1998 to 15 points in 2009. In contrast, the gap between white fourth-graders and Hispanic English language learners was almost triple that � at 44 points.

Also, Hispanic students are making gains � it's just that they're making those gains at the same rate as white students, said George Farkas, a UC Irvine professor of education.

"It's a moving target to narrow the gap," said Farkas, an expert on the achievement gap among ethnic and socioeconomic minority groups. "To narrow the gap, the minority children have to gain more than the white middle-class children, and that's a tall order when you're already starting with a disadvantage."

Farkas said that given higher poverty levels and other challenges with the U.S. Hispanic population, it's commendable that federal and state officials would even aspire to close the achievement gap.

"No other nation has set as a public policy goal to narrow achievement gaps by income or race and ethnicity," Farkas said. "The fact that we have made it such an explicit public policy, and put unbelievable � perhaps unfair � pressure on teachers and principals, is to our credit."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Whenever many of my friends, acquaintances, and other brethren think of Hispanics, they think of a hard working class who doesn't get the recognition they deserve. When I think of Hispanics, I think of all the times me and mine have attempted to hire them in order to save money in labor costs, only to end up losing ten fold in theft and other crime. I think of a criminal class with whom I have nothing at all in common whose open and outright hatred of racial purity drips off them like Soylent Green every time they sneer "blanco" at a passing White. I think of Catholics who follow their Pope and openly promote legalized sodomy under the guise of "gay marriage" and "gay rights" who don't understand the first thing about Economics 101 nor Protestantism. I think of the first Hispanice ever to hold high office, Alberto Gonzalez, whose Harvard classmates unanimously declared through the New York Times that he didn't have a first grade understanding of the U.S. Constitution. I think of "white hispanics" who claim to be White, who brag that they check the box "White" on forms, but who as a group score only 6 points higher than Mexicans in SAT math and only 5 points higher in SAT verbal (compared to 58 and 62 points lower than Whites, respectively, and 86 and 22 points lower than Asians). I think of a group of losers who the Census Bureau reports have even lower weekly earnings than blacks, with Hispanic women earning $67 and Hispanic men earning $105 less (compared to $155 and $251 lower than Whites, respectively). I think of a class whose net contribution to the economy is a NEGATIVE quarter of a trillion dollars, *officially*, compared to a cool one TRILLION DOLLARS for blacks.

The Invasion of Hispanics

People of Mexican origin grew by 7.1 million over the decade, accounting for most of the increase of 12.9 million in the nation's Hispanic population, according to a national head count a year ago. Nearly 21 million people told the census they were of Mexican origin, and they make up more than 58 percent of U.S. Hispanics.

in 1993 there were 191 million Whites and 22 million Hispanics, or 89.7% Whites and 10.3% Hispanics, who had a combined homicide rate of 3.6. Do you know of any reason that American Whites should have committed homicide rate higher than mostly White North Dakota or 0.2, or at most Ireland at 0.6? I don't either, but let's be conservative and use 0.6.

Such a homicide rate for Hispanics is half their rate in Colombia of 60, but consistent with Venezuela and Los Angeles of 30. Los Angeles is unique because it's the only American city which had the distinction of being the Murder Capitol of the World which wasn't due to blacks--instead, it was due to Hispanics.

So you see, most of the "White on White" homicides were actually Hispanic on Hispanic.

Just for kicks, here's the calculation if Whites actually have a homicide rate of 0.2:

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What does such a dramatic increase in the population of Mexicans, to 7.2% of the American population, mean to the average American? Most people don't even think about it because the facts are concealed from them. You wouldn't known from the media, for example, that the presence of Mexicans already reduces the nation's average SAT scores by 19 points. Most people don't even know that their SAT scores are 131 points lower than Whites and only 86 points higher than blacks. The Bureau of Justice Statistics expertly conceals the fact that they are almost 7 times more likely than Whites and 62% as likely as blacks to be murderers. And the Bureau of Labor Statistics is just as good at concealing that they earn 78% as much as Whites but 27% more than blacks.

Why the shell game with Mexicans? In many government statistics, this 7.2% of the American population is counted as "White". The most detailed breakdown by race seems to be when they are included as Hispanics, versus "non-Hispanic White", which conceals the fact that Mexicans have hardly any Hispanic blood in them at all. They are so close to Indians in SAT (426 vs 428) and GRE (475 vs 479) scores, and incomes ($33,750 vs $30,784) that they are clearly Indians, not Hispanics. Those who consider themselves to be "other Hispanics", who are 3.5% of the population, score only 6 SAT points higher than Mexicans and 56 points higher than blacks, compared to 58 points lower than Whites and 86 points lower than Asians, which suggests that the amount of Hispanic blood is low to nonexistent. Spain consistently scores higher than the US in IAEP (432 vs 420, and 495 vs 494 for 9 and 13 year olds), so you would expect that true "Hispanics" would score much closer to Whites than to blacks.

If all blacks and Hispanics had SAT verbal scores equivalent to Whites and SAT math scores equivalent to Asians, the nation's average SAT scores would be 51 points higher. If they committed murder at a rate equivalent to Whites, the murder rate would be two thirds lower than it is. If they earned as much as Whites, average incomes would be 8% higher.

It can be seen from the following graphs that Mexicans and Indians are not only the same race, but they are a race which is separate and distinct from Caucasoids, Negroids, and Asians. Even though there is no data available regarding their cranial capacity, their incomes, test scores, and crime rates suggest that the cranial capacity of Mexicans should be 1,313 cc's and that for Indians should be 1,314.

This puts them in a range which is 3.55% larger than blacks and 3.73% smaller than Whites. This might not seem like a big difference, but it represents 300 million cortical neurons. When you consider the vast differences between Asian, European, Indian, and African societies, these cortical neurons are literally the difference between life versus death, wealth versus poverty, justice versus crime, and technological achievements versus living in mud huts with mud floors. It's the difference between being productive members of an economy, versus being an annual net drain of $128.2 billion as American Mexicans are, and $603 billion as American blacks are. It's the difference between living in a stable society versus living as a refugee, as half the citizens of Liberia now do.

Many of the characteristics which distinguish one of the hundreds of species of snakes, or one of the 32,000 species of orchids, from one another almost require a microscope to detect. But the characteristics of human "races" which distinguish one from another stick out like a sore thumb. Nobody has any trouble identifying a Negroid, nor an Asian, nor a White European (Caucasoid), nor an Indian [American style].

These four groups [at least four] are SO different from one another other that it's literally misleading to call them "races". These four different "races" should be considered by biologists to be four different species. Mexicans have a 3.5% larger cranial capacity than blacks, Indians have an almost identical cranial capacity to Indians, Whites have a 3.7% larger cranial capacity than Indians and Mexicans, and Asians have a 3.8% larger cranial capacity than Whites.

So what? Well, having a few hundred million extra cortical neurons helps quite a bit when doing standardized tests. Mexicans score 13.3% higher in SAT and 14.2% higher in GRE than blacks. Indians score almost identical to Mexicans.Whites score 14.5% and 12.7%, respectively, higher than Mexicans, and Asians score 5.7% and 10.5% higher than Whites.

All of this helps to become more productive members of economies. Mexicans earn 26.8% more than blacks, Indians earn just about as much as Mexicans, Whites earn 40.6% more than Indians, and Asians earn 12.3% more than Whites.

It also has a serious impact on social skills. Mexicans are half as likely to be murderers as blacks, Indians are just about equal to Mexicans as murderers, Whites are 1/7th as likely as Indians or Mexicans to be murderers, and Asians are 1/10th as likely as Whites to be murderers. The relative incarceration rates suggest that these proportions apply across the board to all crimes.

If you added up the economic value of all of the characteristics which distinguish 32,000 different species of orchids from one another and hundreds of different species of snakes, they would have a value which is far less than that of one single one of these differences in characteristics between one single "race".

The aggregate SAT math and verbal scores for all races and sexes in the US is 459 and 418, respectively. If all Americans had the math skills of Asians and the verbal skills of Whites, SAT scores would be 59 and 31 points higher, or 518 and 449. If all Americans had the math skills of Asian men and the verbal skills of White men, SAT scores would be 83 and 35 points higher, or 542 and 453.

If all blacks had the math skills of Asians and the verbal skills of Whites, SAT scores would be 18 and 13 points higher than they are. If all Mexicans did, scores would be 7 and 5 points higher. If all Hispanics did they would be 11 and 8 points higher. If all blacks, all Hispanics, and all Indians did they would be 30 and 22 points higher.

In other words, this invasion by Hispanics is bound to decrease the quality of education and economic productivity considerably--but not nearly as much as the invasion by blacks already has. Blacks are a net negative contributor to the tax base.

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Well, you'll be happy to hear that those Mexican high schools are starting to see our high schools as a joke, and are staying home. The story:
Why Are Mexicans Staying Home? (12:07PM)
http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110712immigration_from_mex

Here's a synopsis:
In the 1990's, conditions in Mexico produced a flood of illegal immigrants to the United States. Harsh new state laws, tougher border enforcement and criminal gangs make crossing into the US without papers a lot harder than it used to be. But 90 percent of the Mexicans who want to cross illegally can actually make it. So why has the flood of illegal immigrants been reduced to a trickle? The biggest reason is education, producing more children with greater skills than their parents. With investment creating new jobs, they want to stay home. Mexico has by no means solved all its problems, but it's changing fast � with not just one, but two middle classes. We hear what it all means for the US.

		"Non-Hispanic Whites" Have a Household Net Worth Seven Times Greater than "Hispanic Whites".
		"Non-Hispanic White Men" Earn Four Times as much as "Hispanic White Women".
		American Employers Pay Engineers Five Times as Much as Mexican Employers Pay Them.
		"Non-Hispanic White" Men pay INFINITELY More in Federal Taxes than "Hispanic White" Men.
		"Non-Hispanic White Men" Truck Drivers Earn Four Times More than "Hispanic White Men" Engineers.
		"Non-Hispanic White" Boys Have an IQ 43 Points Higher than Mexican Boys (132 vs. 89), Who Have a Higher IQ Than "White Hispanics".
		"Non-Hispanic Whites" Score 80 NAEP Points Higher than "Hispanic Whites" (303 vs. 223).

Race	Percent of Pop	1985 SAT Math	1985 SAT Verbal
White	69.1	490	449
If Blacks had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites	12.5	518	449
Mexican	7.2	426	382
Puerto Rican	1.5	409	368
Other Hispanic	3.5	432	387
Asian	2.9	518	404
Indian	0.8	428	392
Jews	1.9
Other	0.6	490	449
Aggregate score		477	430

Race	Percent of Pop	1985 SAT Math	1985 SAT Verbal
White	69.1	490	449
Black	12.5	376	346
IF Mexicans had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites	7.2	518	449
Puerto Rican	1.5	409	368
Other Hispanic	3.5	432	387
Asian	2.9	518	404
Indian	0.8	428	392
Jews	1.9
Other	0.6	490	449
Aggregate score		466	422

The Hispanic Invasion

Academic skills this low are too low to sustain a technological society, which is why Mexico and Spain and most of South America are in such terrible shape, physically, economically, and politically

Relative to income taxes paid, Hispanics are over-represented as welfare recipients by THIRTY SIX FOLD

Hispanics are

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The Gap Between Hispanics and White Hispanics is HUGE

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The Invasion of Hispanics

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