First of all, I'm a Christian, not a conservative. Second of all, I could not
give a rat's .ss whether or not I meet anyone's standard for racism.
Third of all, to get BACK to the point at hand, it is not correct to say that
there is a "testing gap" between Hispanics and Asians. It IS correct to say
that, as measured by standardized tests like the Graduate Record Exam which are
used for admission to graduate school, the gap in academic skills between these
two groups INCREASED.
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"Non-Hispanic Whites" Have a Household Net Worth Seven Times Greater than "Hispanic Whites". |
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"Non-Hispanic White Men" Earn Four Times as much as "Hispanic White Women". |
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American Employers Pay Engineers Five Times as Much as Mexican Employers Pay Them. |
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"Non-Hispanic White" Men pay INFINITELY More in Federal Taxes than "Hispanic White" Men. |
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"Non-Hispanic White Men" Truck Drivers Earn Four Times More than "Hispanic White Men" Engineers. |
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"Non-Hispanic White" Boys Have an IQ 43 Points Higher than Mexican Boys (132 vs. 89), Who Have a Higher IQ Than "White Hispanics". |
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"Non-Hispanic Whites" Score 80 NAEP
Points Higher than "Hispanic Whites" (303 vs. 223). |
Exactly who are the 43.8% of taxpayers who pay only 1.4% of income taxes, and
thus have an effective tax rate of 4.9%?
AND who are the 0.1% who pay 20.4% of income taxes and thus have an effective
rate of 27.5%?
17.5% are non-white Hispanics whose household income is $39,005, which is too
low to be required to pay income taxes (compared to $47,000 for Whites who pay
most of the other 56.2% of income taxes). And another 13% are Blacks whose
household incomes are $33,321, which is also too low to be required to pay any
income taxes.
Of the 43.8% who essentially pay no taxes, 30.5% are Blacks and Hispanics,
leaving us with another unknown and unidentified 13.3% who pay only 1.4% of the
taxes. If this tax distribution is uniform, then Blacks and Hispanics pay less
than 1% (0.97%), and the other as yet unidentified group pays the other 0.43%.
23% of prison population, which means they are over-represented in prisons by
31%
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States
24% of EITC receipts, which means they are over-represented by 37%
https://www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hpb20180817.769687/full/
29% unemployment receipts, which means they are over-represented by 66% in
collecting unemployment benefits.
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/25541/412596-Racial-and-Ethnic-Differences-in-Receipt-of-Unemployment-Insurance-Benefits-During-the-Great-Recession.PDF
36.4% receive welfare, which means they are over-represented by more than two
fold.
https://www.creditdonkey.com/welfare-statistics.html
Pay less than 2% of income taxes
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/10/06/a-closer-look-at-who-does-and-doesnt-pay-u-s-income-tax/
About 17.8% of the population
The Hispanic population of the United States as of July 1, 2016, making people of Hispanic origin the nation�s largest ethnic or racial minority. Hispanics constituted 17.8 percent of the nation�s total population.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2017/hispanic-heritage.html
According to the U.S Census Bureau "The per capita income for the overall
population in 2008 was $26,964; for non-Hispanic Whites, it was $31,313; for
Blacks, it was $18,406; for Asians, it was $30,292; and for Hispanics, it was
$15,674."
https://amp.businessinsider.com/heres-median-income-in-the-us-by-race-2013-9
About 25 TIMES more likely to be murderers than Swedes, Poles, Swiss, Greeks,
Italians, French, Norwegians, Irish, Chinese, Belgian, Australians, AND SYRIANS:
Truck driver = $24,000 = 2.4SD
Electrical Engineer = $7,000 0.7SD
Attorney = $46,000 = 4.6SD
Teacher = $21,000 = 2.1SD
GRE scores = 58 points = 0.58SD
GRE Quantitative Score 1996
Asian men = 638
Mexican men = 517
Gap = 121, an SD of 1.03
GRE Quantitative Score 2001
Asian men = 671
Mexican men = 530
Gap = 141, an SD of 1.21
If you know anything about standard deviations, you know this is not an
insignificant change.
As proof that this is not cherry picking, at the same time:
The gap between Asian men and Black women increased from 234 to 267 points.
The gap between White men and Black women increased from 182 to 199 points.
The gap between Asian men and Asian women increased from 66 to 72 points
By race (and sex) the gaps between salaries for electrical engineers, when
measured in SD (standard deviations) are consistent with the gaps in GRE scores.
At the graduate level, Asian males score 68 GRE points or 0.53 SD higher than
White males, and in electrical engineering salaries they earn $9,000 more than
Whites (something I am INTIMATELY familiar with, so I can easily confirm the
difference here), which is a standard deviation of 0.5SD.
But at lower salaries, the salary gaps are much bigger. The 1.21SD gap between
Asian men and Mexican men in GRE scores translates into 2 $27,000 gap in annual
salaries, or 2.0SD.
And the salary gap between Asian men and Hispanic men (who earn $57,000) is a
whopping ($98,000 - $57,000 = $41,000 / $16,000 SD ) = 2.56SD, compared to a
standard deviation of only 1.0SD gap in GRE scores.
Puerto Rican electrical engineers also earn $57,000 so their salary gap is also
2.56SD, but their GRE gap is 1.29SD.
So on average, a 1.17SD gap in GRE scores for Hispanics translates into an
average salary gap of 2.37SD for them.
Employees should never be paid more than their economic worth, which is why
affirmative action has been such a disaster. Consider this:
The gaps in engineering salaries between the sexes of most races are consistent
with the gaps in GRE scores:
White = $5,000 = 0.31SD
Asian = $14,000 = 0.88SD
Hispanic = $13,000 = 0.81SD
Mexican = $6,000 = 0.38SD
Puerto Rican = $6,000 =.38SD
Black = $4,000 = 0.25SD
What is not consistent with GRE scores is that Hispanics score higher than
Blacks on GRE scores but Hispanic women earn $11,000 less than Black women and
Hispanic men earn $2,000 less than Black men, which can be explained by decades
of affirmative action which targeted Blacks and ignored Hispanics. Affirmative
action also explains the relatively small sex gap for Whites vs. Asians, 0.31SD
vs. 0.88SD, where White women but not Asian women benefitted. Of course this is
not fair to Hispanic men: nor Hispanic women, nor Asian women, nor Puerto Rican
men or women, nor Mexican men or women, nor Indian men or women, nor White men,
and ultimately, not fair to the entire US economy.
And just how did that work out? Can you call it a "success", if Asian
attorneys earn an average annual salary of $80,000 while Mexican attorneys earn
HALF as much, or $40,000:"
In standard deviations, this gap in salaries is 2.5 SD.
So a 1.2 SD in GRE scores translates into a 2.5 SD in salaries in just about
every profession you will find Hispanics in. Please note that the demand for
Hispanics for firemen, policemen, and economists is so low that there is not
enough data to calculate their starting salaries.
By race (and sex) the gaps between salaries for electrical engineers, when
measured in SD (standard deviations) are consistent with the gaps in GRE scores.
At the graduate level, Asian males score 68 GRE points or 0.53 SD higher than
White males, and in electrical engineering salaries they earn $9,000 more than
Whites (something I am INTIMATELY familiar with, so I can easily confirm the
difference here), which is a standard deviation of 0.5SD.
But at lower salaries, the salary gaps are much bigger. The 1.21SD gap between
Asian men and Mexican men in GRE scores translates into 2 $27,000 gap in annual
salaries, or 2.0SD.
And the salary gap between Asian men and Hispanic men (who earn $57,000) is a
whopping ($98,000 - $57,000 = $41,000 / $16,000 SD ) = 2.56SD, compared to a
standard deviation of only 1.0SD gap in GRE scores.
Puerto Rican electrical engineers also earn $57,000 so their salary gap is also
2.56SD, but their GRE gap is 1.29SD.
So on average, a 1.17SD gap in GRE scores for Hispanics translates into an
average salary gap of 2.37SD for them.
About the only career in which a Hispanic can expect to earn more than Asians
is as construction workers where Mexicans earn 26% more than Asians ($48,000 vs.
$38,000), which might be considered good news if it were not that Blacks earn
12% more at $54,000 and Whites earn 29% more at $62,000.
And before you complain too loudly that the only reason American Whites pay
Mexican engineers so little is because of "discrimination", don't forget that
Mexicans in Mexico pay Mexican engineers a mere $18,744 per year, about ONE
FOURTH of what we pay them, at $71,000.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/engineer.shtml
Even as
truck drivers, Blacks and Asians earn 74% more than Hispanics.
And as
electrical engineers, where a college education SHOULD be helping them,
Asians still earn 72% more, $98,000 vs. $57,000
Where's the beef?
We should also add that this was AFTER Hispanics had been sent to and GRADUATED
from universities of a quality which no Hispanic in human history had been sent
to.
It was also after hundreds of thousands of much more qualified White and Asian
boys had been REJECTED in order to accommodate less qualified women, Hispanics,
and Blacks.
And just how did that work out? Can you call it a "success", if Asian
attorneys earn an average annual salary of $80,000 while Mexican attorneys
earn HALF as much, or $40,000:
Or when
White surgeons earn $172,000, FOUR TIMES that of Hispanic surgeons at
$47,000:
I agree this is happening. I WILDLY DISAGREE that it is good for ANYONE, least
of all the radical feminists who started it all.
By the sheer *definition*, both are hard left communists.
I could not give a rat's .ss if the "right" is "exploiting" the administration,
or if the right is just a bunch of communist extremists, or if they are from
Mars.
What MOST Americans DO care about is that there are far too many Muslims IN the
country who should not even be here in the first place, to let them get away
with ASSASSINATING an ambassador.
The value of the dollar today is one cent on the dollar compared to what it was
before the Fed was created. Any wonder why the taxpayers who paid for it all
would object?
"Epilef2000
Firstly, Richwine said that the Native Americans on the reservations have not
assimilated. However, I have problem with Richwine's assumption on
"assimilation" that is hast to be typified by "whites." Firstly, there is no
universal white culture in America. The Caucasian race is incredibly diverse in
terms of culture: music, political ideology, even work ethic etc. Not to mention
that hip-hop, and rap are Black music that is heard and supported by the White
community; even in food, salsa for nacho chips are sold more than ketchup, and
increasingly among you college students, the arabic "hookah" is increasingly
consumed as opposed to cigarettes"
Race or racial diversity is not determined by music, food, drugs, or politics.
To some degree it is determined by religion, as the 10-20% of Americans who
claim to be Catholics (most of whom are Hispanics who are not even Caucasians)
follow the Pope rather than Jesus, which makes them anathema to God and Jesus,
and thus to PROTESTants. Hispanics around here openly hate Caucasians and La
Raza has openly declared war on Caucasians to "take back" the West, something
that never makes the mass hysteria media. But they hate Blacks even more, which
is why in EVERY area of the country where they attempt to coexist, the crime
rates are THROUGH THE ROOF [read: 10 times higher than any part of Africa and
400 TIMES higher than Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Ireland, and North Dakota].
Countries go to WAR when their ambassadors are assassinated like this. It as an
assassinated German ambassador which triggered WWII.
And here we are, the "world's policeman", sitting around like sitting ducks,
waiting for the next attack rather than chasing them down.
POSTED 4:30 am Tuesday, May 14, 2013
3 hours ago vivian777
"So according to your logic, EVERYone needs to be carrying a loaded weapon at
all times no matter where they are to be completely safe."
On the contrary. Aren't the vast majority of the private firearms in Wisconsin
are in the home, or somewhere close by where they are easily accessible?
Hasn't the point been made on this vey forum that criminals are creatures of
opportunity? They will naturally assault or attack a group or a community where
they know, or at least believe, there are less private firearms, whether in the
home or carried by citizens? Hasn't the point has also been made on this forum
that the Supreme Court fully expected that throwing out DC restrictive gun
control laws was going to double the murder rate, rather than cut it in half,
which it did?
Isn't this a VERY important lesson about how important the Second Amendment is,
even in our nation's capitol? That even with five separate police forces and the
full backing of the police by the federal government, it STILL qualified as the
Murder Capital of the World for many years in the last five decades.
What more proof do we need that the police CANNOT (and actually are not even
constitutionally required to) do that job by themselves?
CAMBEL
Hispanics surpassed whites in college enrollment in 2012. So by your commentary
you must then say that the numbers would show they are smarter than whites.
Ever heard of affirmative action?
Ever heard of our looming one trillion dollar student loan default?
"Epilef2000 The facts are accurately quoted. Its the conclusions he has
extrapolated that is causing the controversy. Now you can agree or disagree with
the conclusions. The Heritage Foundation is known to be center-right, and
accordingly receive support from the same groups-they are not dependent on
liberal or Democratic support, so why would they fiire, or force Richwine to
resign?"
I know some of the Heritage Foundation leaders, like Patrick Fagan who I have
discussed these issues with at length, and do not agree at all that they are
"center-right".
From the perspective of this CHRISTIAN, they are hard leftists.
Why else would they fire someone for ACCURATELY quoting FEDERAL statistics? Why
else would they BRAG that this is why they fired him?
It's precisely this extremist form of political correctness which is DESTROYING
this once-great nation, and I've got no use or respect for ANY organization
which does this type of thing.
Academic skills this low are too low to sustain a technological society, which
is why Mexico and Spain and most of South America are in such terrible shape,
physically, economically, and politically.
On ALL of these tests, Hispanics, regardless of which group you test or which
country or state you test them in (Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans, Latinos, or
white Hispanic), as well as American Indians, all score within a few points of
each other, more than one standard deviation lower than American Asians (who
score much lower than Asians in Japan or Korea), and one half to three quarters
of a standard deviation higher than Blacks.
This is a mathematical fact of life. And the MORE we try to narrow the gaps, the
BIGGER the gaps get. In just five years, the Race/sex gap leaped from 234 to 267
points on GRE tests.
I'm sure you would fire me for saying that if you could. But the alternative is
to LIE and I'm simp.y not going to do that no matter how many times you try to
fire me.
To set the record straight, on a forum on hard leftist MSNBC, more than 1
million took a poll asking whether or not 19 hapless Arabs managed to pull of
9/11, and 785,000, including myself, voted NO!
EVEN so, this is NO excuse for letting criminals off the hook, is it?
Do you realize this is EXACTLY what the FEDERAL data base, and all other test
data bases (GRE, SAT, ACT, PISA, TIMSS, NAEP) report, and they are all
consistent with each other.
And why should he be fired when it IS true that since Thomas Jefferson tried to
convert the Indians to Christianity, that they have NOT "assimilated"?
It does nobody any good to LIE to children or parents and give them false
expectations, does it?
This is worse than lying about the emperor's clothes.
The type of lies and misrepresentations about test scores that you seek to
promulgate are preciely the type that Beverly Hall is going to PRISON for. And
guess who was more upsent than anyone that their children's grades and test
scores were fabricated: THEIR PARENTS.
Nobody likes to be lied to, and especially nobody likes to be lied to about
their own CHILDREN no matter what the TRUTH actually is.
Are you trying to make points by claiming that Jesus, who had to be pure and
have a spotless heritage in order to be a sacrifice to God, was actually part
African Black?
iow, even though the Holy Bible was written by, for, and about His holy seed,
His holy seed never existed and does not exist today?
People are getting fired and condemned and criticized all the time for simply
quoting FEDERAL statistics. Sean Connery simply QUOTED statistics straight from
the White House web site, his guest went postal, and most on hp condemned him
for it without EVER checking to see what the TRUTH is.
This is not acceptable, no matter how many slurs are slung at people like this.
As I mentioned, there ARE some key outliers which are important but were omitted
in order to achieve a higher r-squared.
But please note, this applies across countries, across states, and across
cities. iow, being a large or densely populated state or city does not adversely
influence the correlation.
FantasticFourFan
What "lie"? There is no controversy here. The emails were given to congress and
even the NYT has read them and admits there's nothing new in them. The right is
trying to find a cover up where there isn't one.
When I see 200 Muslims gutted the way they gutted Ambassador Stevens, or
slaughtered the way almost 100 Christians in Waco (most of whom were women and
children) were slaughtered, only THEN will I believe that they did not lie when
they promised they would get the perps.
Have they done that? NO! It's WAY too late to do that now isn't it?
And just how did that work out? Can you call it a "success", if Asian
attorneys earn an average annual salary of $80,000 while Mexican attorneys earn
HALF as much, or $40,000:"
In standard deviations, this gap in salaries is 2.5 SD.
So a 1.2 SD in GRE scores translates into a 2.5 SD in salaries in just about
every profession you will find Hispanics in. Please note that the demand for
Hispanics for firemen, policemen, and economists is so low that there is not
enough data to calculate their starting salaries
There's so little demand for Puerto Rican, Mexican, Hispanic, and Black
policemen and firemen that there is no salary data for them, so it's not
possible to determine which race is given affirmative action preferences in
these professions.
As surgeons, Blacks earn 28% more than Hispanics, 15% more than Mexican
surgeons, an equivalent amount to Puerto Rican surgeons, while Whites earn 286%
more. As attorneys, Blacks earn 10% more than Mexicans, there is no data for
Cuban and Puerto Rican attorneys, they earn half as much as White attorneys and
Asian attorneys earn 82% more:
Teachers in Brazil earn 942 reals per month, which is $471, which is 1/8th of
what Mexican teachers earn HERE.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/brazil.shtml
Teachers in Peru earn 1,730 sols per month, which is $665 per month, which is
1/5th of what Mexican teachers earn HERE.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/peru.shtml
And finally, teachers in Mexico earn 8,146 pesos per month, which is $768 per
month, which is less than 1/5th of what Mexican teachers earn HERE.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/mexico.shtml
If their home countries pay teachers so little there, WHY should we be required
to pay them so much more HERE?
Won't they work for a competitive wage? Why not? Teachers' unions perhaps?
As math teachers, Blacks earn the least, which is consistent with their performance on GRE quantitative scores. Women math teachers earn 45% more, men math teachers earn 73% more, Asian math teachers earn 209% more, Mexican math teachers earn 23% more, and Puerto Rican math teachers earn 40% more:
Blacks fare slightly better as truck drivers than as math teachers, earning
the same as Asian truck drivers, 73% more than Hispanic truck drivers, but
Mexican truck drivers earn 78% more and White truck drivers earn FIVE TIMES
more.
The profession where Blacks earn the least is taxi driver, with Asians earning
233% more, and White, Mexican, Puerto Rican, and Hispanic taxi drivers earning
260% more. There is so little demand for women taxi drivers that there is no
data for their salaries so they can't be compared to Blacks.
The salary of $1,562 per month for engineers in Mexico is over-represented,
and thus misrepresented, when shown in Purchasing Power Parity, because the
ACTUAL salary in dollars is $952. Thus, at $71,000 per year, American Whites pay
Mexican engineers HERE six TIMES more than Mexicans pay Mexican engineers in
Mexico.
Ditto for the average salary for engineers in Peru which in PPP is $2,560 versus
$1,952 in REAL dollars:
http://www.worldsalaries.org/peru.shtml
Assuming that Peruvians are counted as "Hispanics" who earn only $57,000 as
engineers, this would mean that American Whites here pay Peruvian engineers 2
1/2 TIMES as much as Peruvians pay Peruvian engineers in Peru.
Why should this be? How can it be considered fair that we pay engineers 2-6
TIMES as much as they would earn in their own country?
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http://www.worldsalaries.org/carpenter.shtml
Carpenter Job Average Salary |
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Compulsory Deductions | Weekly Hours | ||||
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May 2004. Normal hours from collective agreements. Australian Bureau of Statistics, [9], [t]. | 4,151 | dollars | 20% | 41.6 | ||
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Full-time and part-time employees, 2005. U.S. Department of Labor, [t]. | 3,037 | dollars | 19% | 39.6 | ||
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Employees, 2005. Statistics Norway, [9]. | 28,972 | kroners | 31% | 37.5 | ||
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Minimum per month, 2005, normal hours of work. Federal Statistical Office of Germany, [9], [t]. | 2,498 | euros | 27% | 39.0 | ||
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Employees, 2005. UK Employment Department, [9], [t]. | 1,583 | pounds | 25% | 39.0 | ||
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Employees, 2005. Statistics Canada, [9], [t]. | 3,059 | dollars | 27% | 34.1 | ||
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Normal hours of work, 2004. Men only. Women make 2,208 euros per month. Statistics Finland, [9], [k], [t]. | 2,425 | euros | 30% | 40.0 | ||
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Minimum per month, normal hours of work, 2004. Men only. Institut National de Statistique, [9], [t]. | 2,075 | euros | 29% | 36.0 | ||
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Excl. overtime and bonus, June 2005. Korea Ministry of Labour, [9]. | 1,496,635 | wons | 8% | 44.0 | ||
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Full-time and part-time employees, 2004. National Statistics Republic of China, [9]. | 28,911 | dollars | 7% | 42.8 | ||
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Normal hours of work, 2005. Istituto Nazionale di Statistica, [9]. | 1,711 | euros | 27% | 40.0 | ||
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Employees, minimum per month, 2002. Men only. Austrian Central Statistical Office (�STAT), [9], [t]. | 1,465 | euros | 24% | 39.0 | ||
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Excl. bonuses, 2005. Czech Statistical Office, [9]. | 14,704 | korunas | 22% | 42.1 | ||
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Employees, June 2005. Men only. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica e Informatica, [9]. | 1,251 | sols | 14% | 63.0 | ||
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Employees, 2004. �tatistick� �rad Slovenskej republiky, [9], [k]. | 14,356 | korunas | 22% | 33.4 | ||
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Employees, 2005. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica, Geograf�a e Informatica (INEGI), [9], [k]. | 4,875 | pesos | 3% | 48.0 | ||
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Employees, 2003. Instituto Nacional de Estat�stica, [9]. | 499 | euros | 12% | 39.6 | ||
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Employees, private sector, 2004. Ministry of Manpower, [9], [t]. | 1,164 | dollars | 20% | |||
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Employees, 2004. Poland Central Statistical Office, [9], [k]. | 1,632 | zlotys | 30% | 41.0 | ||
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Men employees, 2004. Kuwait Ministry of Planning, [9]. | 196 | dinars | 0% | 51.0 | ||
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Employees, 2004. National Statistics Office, [9], [t]. | 7,163 | pesos | 8% | |||
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Employees, 2005. National Bureau of Statistics of China, [9]. | 1,133 | yuans | 8% | |||
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Employees, men only, 2004. Federal State Statistics Office, [9]. | 6,982 | roubles | 13% | 40.0 | ||
|
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Employees, May 2005. Hungarian Central Statistical Office, [9], [k]. | 85,390 | forints | 21% | |||
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Adult full-time and part-time employees, 2005. Central Statistical Bureau of Latvia, [9], [t]. | 174 | lats | 26% | 39.2 | ||
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Employees, Dec 2003. Ministerio do Trabalho e da Previd�ncia Social, [9]. | 596 | reals | 10% | 43.8 | ||
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Employees, 2002. Men. Statistics Lithuania, [9]. | 836 | litas | 27% | 40.0 | ||
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Men employees, 2005. Women make 5,457 bahts per month. Thailand National Statistical Office, [9], [t], [s]. | 4,663 | bahts | 6% | 47.0 | ||
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Men employees, 2005. Women make 606 new lei per month. Romania National Institute of Statistics, [9]. | 629 | new lei | 26% | 38.8 | ||
http://www.worldsalaries.org/airlinepilot.shtml
Airline Pilot Job Average Salary |
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| Country | Gross Monthly
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Compulsory Deductions | Weekly Hours | ||||
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Minimum per month, 2005. Federal Statistical Office of Germany, [9], [t]. | 12,208 | euros | 40% | |||
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Full-time and part-time employees, 2004. National Statistics Republic of China, [9]. | 175,030 | dollars | 22% | 40.6 | ||
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Employees, 2004. National Statistics Office, [9], [t]. | 98,575 | pesos | 31% | |||
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Employees, 2005. UK Employment Department, [9], [t]. | 5,217 | pounds | 35% | 37.4 | ||
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Men employees, 2004. Kuwait Ministry of Planning, [9]. | 1,840 | dinars | 0% | 39.0 | ||
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Employees, 2001. Ministerio do Trabalho e da Previd�ncia Social, [9]. | 5,132 | reals | 22% | 38.6 | ||
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Employees, June 2002. Men only. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica e Informatica, [9]. | 8,697 | sols | 26% | |||
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Employees, 2001. Statistics Norway, [9]. | 59,151 | kroners | 38% | 37.5 | ||
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Aircraft pilots & flight engineers, median earnings, 2007. Standardized weeks per month: 4.33. U.S. Department of Labor, [t]. | 5,884 | dollars | 24% | |||
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Employees, 2004. Instituto Nacional de Estad�stica, Geograf�a e Informatica (INEGI), [9], [k]. | 36,389 | pesos | 24% | 45.0 | ||
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Normal hours of work, 2005. Istituto Nazionale di Statistica, [9]. | 6,080 | euros | 43% | 38.0 | ||
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May 2004. Normal hours from collective agreements. Australian Bureau of Statistics, [9], [t]. | 6,050 | dollars | 25% | 35.7 | ||
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Men employees, 2005. Thailand National Statistical Office, [9], [t], [s]. | 48,036 | bahts | 11% | 39.0 | ||
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Employees, 2005. National Bureau of Statistics of China, [9]. | 6,844 | yuans | 9% | |||
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Employees, minimum per month, 2002. Austrian Central Statistical Office (�STAT), [9], [t]. | 3,968 | euros | 37% | 38.5 | ||
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Employees, 2003. Instituto Nacional de Estat�stica, [9]. | 2,862 | euros | 32% | 31.9 | ||
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Adult full-time and part-time employees, 2005. Central Statistical Bureau of Latvia, [9], [t]. | 991 | lats | 31% | 40.1 | ||
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Employees, May 2005. Hungarian Central Statistical Office, [9], [k]. | 614,361 | forints | 46% | |||
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Local educators who work with Latino students say the most effective way to combat the achievement gap is through early intervention, before the child even reaches kindergarten.
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/ THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
More Hispanic parents must be educated about early childhood development and the important role they play in their children's schooling, experts say, in the wake of an alarming new study that indicates Hispanic students are underperforming their white counterparts by the same wide margins as they were two decades ago.
The U.S. Department of Education report, released June 23, shows the achievement gap between white and Hispanic students has not closed at all since the early 1990s, with the overall difference between the groups remaining above 20 points, or roughly two grade levels, on a scale of 0 to 500.
�With everything that the state of California is trying to do, it's frustrating that the achievement gap really hasn't moved,� said Alicia Berhow, administrator for the Latino Educational Attainment Initiative, an outreach project of the Orange County Business Council.
�We are not waiting for the state or school districts to help us with our children here in Orange County,� Berhow said. �We're taking the bull by the horns and going out into the communities where the parents are, teaching them that this is what you need to know so your kids will succeed.�
The report shows a 21-point gap in math between fourth-grade Hispanic and white students in 2009. At grade eight, the gap rises to 26 points.
The gap is similarly wide in reading � 25 points in fourth grade and 24 in eighth.
California fares even worse than the U.S. average, trailing the nation by 4 to 7 points in fourth- and eight-grade reading and math.Early intervention is key
Local educators who work with Latino students and other underperforming minorities say the most effective way to combat this systemic problem is through early intervention, before the child even reaches kindergarten.
That in itself is a challenge, though, because many Latino parents tend not to understand the importance of the early years of a child's development, said Virginia Mann, founder of a UC Irvine-based preschool intervention program that targets parents in Santa Ana. Consequently, these parents tend to set up their children for failure in school.
"Young Latino parents have a lot of odd views � they believe they will hurt their children if they teach them Spanish, or they believe the TV will educate them because, oh, it's in English," said Mann, a UCI cognitive sciences professor and director of the Home Activities Building Language Acquisition program, or HABLA.
"When these kids enter kindergarten and try to learn English, but they don't know their colors and shapes in Spanish, it's a double whammy," Mann said. "I've seen where these children stumble � they don't have a good enough vocabulary. They haven't even learned to write their name; they think their name is mijo."
Sticking a child in front of a TV, even to watch English-language educational shows like "Sesame Street," is not an acceptable alternative, Mann added.
If preschoolers aren't in a rich, stimulating environment that includes being engaged in conversation daily and mastering a language � any language � they are automatically going to be behind in kindergarten, a setback from which they may never recover, Mann said.
Cultural forces at work
Although Orange County is home to a number of Latino outreach programs, including HABLA and the Latino Educational Attainment Initiative, cultural forces in Latino communities can sometimes overpower their effectiveness.
Fullerton parent Estanislao Rodriguez, who emigrated from Mexico 21 years ago, said many Latino immigrants tend to self-impose personal limitations, and those limitations hinder their kids as well. It's a vicious cycle that's difficult to break, Rodriguez said.
"The families that helped me immigrate back in 1990 � I can sadly say they live the same way they left our country of Mexico," said Rodriguez, who has three kids, 9, 14 and 18. "They still talk the same, behave the same, dress the same, and have all kinds of limitations in their mind.
"Instead of encouraging their kids, the parents say, 'You're not going to make it in college; you've got to go to work,'" said Rodriguez, president of the parent-led English Learner Advisory Committee at Woodcrest Elementary in Fullerton.
"When I talk to parents, they bring up cheap excuses for not being supportive of their kids and not attending school meetings. It's sad that they drive their cars to the parking lot, take their kids out of the car and leave. They don't know what happens after that."
For the parents who are willing to listen and learn, resources are abundant. The Fullerton Collaborative, a project of the Fullerton School District, acts as a mentor, cheerleader, support network and friend to Latino parents in Fullerton, helping them understand how to navigate even the most basic aspects of the U.S. school system, said Pam Keller, executive director for the Fullerton Collaborative.
"Some of them come from places where you would never question the teacher � it would be rude to ask a question," Keller said. "Here you're expected to be a partner. It just takes a little prodding and a little pushing. These parents care about their kids just like anyone else."
Gains being made
While no one denies the achievement gap between Hispanic students and their white counterparts remains vast, the recent findings do not mean Hispanic students aren't making gains.
English language learners tend to drag down the average test scores for Hispanic students as a whole. In fourth-grade reading, for example, the gap between white students and Hispanics who are not English language learners has declined from 24 points in 1998 to 15 points in 2009. In contrast, the gap between white fourth-graders and Hispanic English language learners was almost triple that � at 44 points.
Also, Hispanic students are making gains � it's just that they're making those gains at the same rate as white students, said George Farkas, a UC Irvine professor of education.
"It's a moving target to narrow the gap," said Farkas, an expert on the achievement gap among ethnic and socioeconomic minority groups. "To narrow the gap, the minority children have to gain more than the white middle-class children, and that's a tall order when you're already starting with a disadvantage."
Farkas said that given higher poverty levels and other challenges with the U.S. Hispanic population, it's commendable that federal and state officials would even aspire to close the achievement gap.
"No other nation has set as a public policy goal to narrow achievement gaps by income or race and ethnicity," Farkas said. "The fact that we have made it such an explicit public policy, and put unbelievable � perhaps unfair � pressure on teachers and principals, is to our credit."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Competition! Competition!
Voucher, let parents decide where to send their children. If the
parents are smart like most public school teachers they will choose
a private school.
When we continue to support political candidates who are in the back
pocket of the techers unions more than the students then we will
continue lose.
Not all public teachers are bad but those 10 to 15% of ineffective
teachers (even if they are nice) should find a new profession that
doesn't hurt childrens future.
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The gap persists for many reasons. One, some of these children are not taught how to behave properly. Second, many of these people are coming to this country without any ability to speak English. I am sure that people who are unemployed are fed up with seeing bilingual in English and whatever language on job descriptions. Third, some join gangs or drop out of school. Fourth, some do not have a good work ethic. Meaning, they take shortcuts to get the job done.
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An unstable living environment has a lot
to do with children's success. I don't care what nationality you
look at, if the parents lives are completely unstable the child's
life will be unstable as well.
Stop with the illegal issue because many of these children are 2nd
generation citizens.
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Competition is the ONLY thing that is
going to change the way our children are taught.
Let educators AND students compete for the best and the results will
change. The system now rewards the lazy and incompetent right along
with our best educators and students.
PRIVATIZE our schools and this will change in a hurry.
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YANQUE is Absolutely RIGHT.
Our own children should be switched to the KIPP program, but we all
know why that won't happen...UNIONS have a strangle hold with
billions of dollars to throw at our politicians that keep them in
power.
This is a sick, corrupt system, we need to weed out the lazy and
incompetent and put to work the teachers who will compete to be
BEST.
Research KIPP, you willbe amazed at how easy it would be to
implement.
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Isn't there always going to be a gap when so many come Latino students from non English speaking households and parents who are children themselves?
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"Early intervention is key"
'That in itself is a challenge, though, because many Latino parents
tend not to understand the importance of the early years of a
child's development,'
WHY is it up to the American Tax Payer to change the culture of the
entire ILLEGAL ALIEN population?!.
ELS isn't working, throwing OUR money at the problem is NOT working.
Start using MY tax dollars for border enforcement and deportation.
We've tried the sociological approach...it is NOT working.
ENFORCE OUR SOVEREIGN NATIONS BORDERS.
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A large measure of this so called "gap" is the result of skewed information. Hispanic students perform as well as white students when the Hispanic students are third or fourth generation U.S. citizens. The so called "gap" is due to the heavy influx of illegals inundating the education system with non-English speaking students with non-English speaking parents with less than a (Mexican or Central American) high school education, if any. Remove the illegals from the schools and the Hispanic students will show no gap with white students (not to say that white students do very well in schools).
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Well, you'll be happy to hear that
those Mexican high schools are starting to see our high schools
as a joke, and are staying home. The story:
Why Are Mexicans Staying Home? (12:07PM)
http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp110712immigration_from_mex
Here's a synopsis:
In the 1990's, conditions in Mexico produced a flood of illegal
immigrants to the United States. Harsh new state laws, tougher
border enforcement and criminal gangs make crossing into the US
without papers a lot harder than it used to be. But 90 percent
of the Mexicans who want to cross illegally can actually make
it. So why has the flood of illegal immigrants been reduced to a
trickle? The biggest reason is education, producing more
children with greater skills than their parents. With investment
creating new jobs, they want to stay home. Mexico has by no
means solved all its problems, but it's changing fast � with not
just one, but two middle classes. We hear what it all means for
the US.
Whenever many of my friends, acquaintances, and other brethren think of
Hispanics, they think of a hard working class who doesn't get the recognition
they deserve. When I think of Hispanics, I think of all the times me and mine
have attempted to hire them in order to save money in labor costs, only to end
up losing ten fold in theft and other crime. I think of a criminal class with
whom I have nothing at all in common whose open and outright hatred of racial
purity drips off them like Soylent Green every time they sneer "blanco" at a
passing White. I think of Catholics who follow their Pope and openly promote
legalized sodomy under the guise of "gay marriage" and "gay rights" who don't
understand the first thing about Economics 101 nor Protestantism. I think of the
first Hispanice ever to hold high office, Alberto Gonzalez, whose Harvard
classmates unanimously declared through the New York Times that he didn't have a
first grade understanding of the U.S. Constitution. I think of "white hispanics"
who claim to be White, who brag that they check the box "White" on forms, but
who as a group score only 6 points higher than Mexicans in SAT math and only 5
points higher in SAT verbal (compared to 58 and 62 points lower than Whites,
respectively, and 86 and 22 points lower than Asians). I think of a group of
losers who the Census Bureau reports have even lower weekly earnings than
blacks, with Hispanic women earning $67 and Hispanic men earning $105 less
(compared to $155 and $251 lower than Whites, respectively). I think of a class
whose net contribution to the economy is a NEGATIVE quarter of a trillion
dollars, *officially*, compared to a cool one TRILLION DOLLARS for blacks.
People of Mexican origin grew by 7.1 million over the decade, accounting for most of the increase of 12.9 million in the nation's Hispanic population, according to a national head count a year ago. Nearly 21 million people told the census they were of Mexican origin, and they make up more than 58 percent of U.S. Hispanics.
in 1993 there were 191 million Whites and 22 million Hispanics, or 89.7% Whites and 10.3% Hispanics, who had a combined homicide rate of 3.6. Do you know of any reason that American Whites should have committed homicide rate higher than mostly White North Dakota or 0.2, or at most Ireland at 0.6? I don't either, but let's be conservative and use 0.6.
89.7% x 0.6 + 10.3% x X = 3.6
0.5382 + .103X = 3.6
.103X = 3.062
X = 29.7 = Homicide rate of Hispanics
Such a homicide rate for Hispanics is half their rate in Colombia of 60, but consistent with Venezuela and Los Angeles of 30. Los Angeles is unique because it's the only American city which had the distinction of being the Murder Capitol of the World which wasn't due to blacks--instead, it was due to Hispanics.
So you see, most of the "White on White" homicides were actually Hispanic on Hispanic.
Just for kicks, here's the calculation if Whites actually have a homicide rate of 0.2:
89.7% x 0.2 + 10.3% x X = 3.6
0.1794 + .103X = 3.6
.103X = 3.42
X = 33.2 = Homicide rate of Hispanics
[(191 million x 0.6) + (22 million x 29.7)]/100,000 = 1,146 + 6,534 = 7,680
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A5619-2001May9.html
What does such a dramatic increase in the population of Mexicans, to 7.2% of the American population, mean to the average American? Most people don't even think about it because the facts are concealed from them. You wouldn't known from the media, for example, that the presence of Mexicans already reduces the nation's average SAT scores by 19 points. Most people don't even know that their SAT scores are 131 points lower than Whites and only 86 points higher than blacks. The Bureau of Justice Statistics expertly conceals the fact that they are almost 7 times more likely than Whites and 62% as likely as blacks to be murderers. And the Bureau of Labor Statistics is just as good at concealing that they earn 78% as much as Whites but 27% more than blacks.
Why the shell game with Mexicans? In many government statistics, this 7.2% of the American population is counted as "White". The most detailed breakdown by race seems to be when they are included as Hispanics, versus "non-Hispanic White", which conceals the fact that Mexicans have hardly any Hispanic blood in them at all. They are so close to Indians in SAT (426 vs 428) and GRE (475 vs 479) scores, and incomes ($33,750 vs $30,784) that they are clearly Indians, not Hispanics. Those who consider themselves to be "other Hispanics", who are 3.5% of the population, score only 6 SAT points higher than Mexicans and 56 points higher than blacks, compared to 58 points lower than Whites and 86 points lower than Asians, which suggests that the amount of Hispanic blood is low to nonexistent. Spain consistently scores higher than the US in IAEP (432 vs 420, and 495 vs 494 for 9 and 13 year olds), so you would expect that true "Hispanics" would score much closer to Whites than to blacks.
If all blacks and Hispanics had SAT verbal scores equivalent to Whites and SAT math scores equivalent to Asians, the nation's average SAT scores would be 51 points higher. If they committed murder at a rate equivalent to Whites, the murder rate would be two thirds lower than it is. If they earned as much as Whites, average incomes would be 8% higher.
It can be seen from the following graphs that Mexicans and Indians are not only the same race, but they are a race which is separate and distinct from Caucasoids, Negroids, and Asians. Even though there is no data available regarding their cranial capacity, their incomes, test scores, and crime rates suggest that the cranial capacity of Mexicans should be 1,313 cc's and that for Indians should be 1,314.
This puts them in a range which is 3.55% larger than blacks and 3.73% smaller than Whites. This might not seem like a big difference, but it represents 300 million cortical neurons. When you consider the vast differences between Asian, European, Indian, and African societies, these cortical neurons are literally the difference between life versus death, wealth versus poverty, justice versus crime, and technological achievements versus living in mud huts with mud floors. It's the difference between being productive members of an economy, versus being an annual net drain of $128.2 billion as American Mexicans are, and $603 billion as American blacks are. It's the difference between living in a stable society versus living as a refugee, as half the citizens of Liberia now do.
Many of the characteristics which distinguish one of the hundreds of species of snakes, or one of the 32,000 species of orchids, from one another almost require a microscope to detect. But the characteristics of human "races" which distinguish one from another stick out like a sore thumb. Nobody has any trouble identifying a Negroid, nor an Asian, nor a White European (Caucasoid), nor an Indian [American style].
These four groups [at least four] are SO different from one another other that it's literally misleading to call them "races". These four different "races" should be considered by biologists to be four different species. Mexicans have a 3.5% larger cranial capacity than blacks, Indians have an almost identical cranial capacity to Indians, Whites have a 3.7% larger cranial capacity than Indians and Mexicans, and Asians have a 3.8% larger cranial capacity than Whites.
So what? Well, having a few hundred million extra cortical neurons helps quite a bit when doing standardized tests. Mexicans score 13.3% higher in SAT and 14.2% higher in GRE than blacks. Indians score almost identical to Mexicans.Whites score 14.5% and 12.7%, respectively, higher than Mexicans, and Asians score 5.7% and 10.5% higher than Whites.
All of this helps to become more productive members of economies. Mexicans earn 26.8% more than blacks, Indians earn just about as much as Mexicans, Whites earn 40.6% more than Indians, and Asians earn 12.3% more than Whites.
It also has a serious impact on social skills. Mexicans are half as likely to be murderers as blacks, Indians are just about equal to Mexicans as murderers, Whites are 1/7th as likely as Indians or Mexicans to be murderers, and Asians are 1/10th as likely as Whites to be murderers. The relative incarceration rates suggest that these proportions apply across the board to all crimes.
If you added up the economic value of all of the characteristics which distinguish 32,000 different species of orchids from one another and hundreds of different species of snakes, they would have a value which is far less than that of one single one of these differences in characteristics between one single "race".
Ignoring that point is a very costly proposition.
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The aggregate SAT math and verbal scores for all races and sexes in the US is 459 and 418, respectively. If all Americans had the math skills of Asians and the verbal skills of Whites, SAT scores would be 59 and 31 points higher, or 518 and 449. If all Americans had the math skills of Asian men and the verbal skills of White men, SAT scores would be 83 and 35 points higher, or 542 and 453.
If all blacks had the math skills of Asians and the verbal skills of Whites, SAT scores would be 18 and 13 points higher than they are. If all Mexicans did, scores would be 7 and 5 points higher. If all Hispanics did they would be 11 and 8 points higher. If all blacks, all Hispanics, and all Indians did they would be 30 and 22 points higher.
In other words, this invasion by Hispanics is bound to decrease the quality of education and economic productivity considerably--but not nearly as much as the invasion by blacks already has. Blacks are a net negative contributor to the tax base.
SAT Scores by race http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/ce/c9622d02.html
Race |
Percent of Pop |
1985 SAT Math |
1985 SAT Verbal |
White |
69.1 |
490 |
449 |
Black |
12.5 |
376 |
346 |
Mexican |
7.2 |
426 |
382 |
Puerto Rican |
1.5 |
409 |
368 |
Other Hispanic |
3.5 |
432 |
387 |
Asian |
2.9 |
518 |
404 |
Indian |
0.8 |
428 |
392 |
Jews |
1.9 |
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Other |
0.6 |
490 |
449 |
Aggregate score |
459 |
418 |
Race |
Percent of Pop |
1985 SAT Math |
1985 SAT Verbal |
White |
69.1 |
490 |
449 |
If Blacks had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites |
12.5 |
518 |
449 |
Mexican |
7.2 |
426 |
382 |
Puerto Rican |
1.5 |
409 |
368 |
Other Hispanic |
3.5 |
432 |
387 |
Asian |
2.9 |
518 |
404 |
Indian |
0.8 |
428 |
392 |
Jews |
1.9 |
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Other |
0.6 |
490 |
449 |
Aggregate score |
477 |
430 |
Race |
Percent of Pop |
1985 SAT Math |
1985 SAT Verbal |
White |
69.1 |
490 |
449 |
Black |
12.5 |
376 |
346 |
IF Mexicans had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites |
7.2 |
518 |
449 |
Puerto Rican |
1.5 |
409 |
368 |
Other Hispanic |
3.5 |
432 |
387 |
Asian |
2.9 |
518 |
404 |
Indian |
0.8 |
428 |
392 |
Jews |
1.9 |
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Other |
0.6 |
490 |
449 |
Aggregate score |
466 |
422 |
Race |
Percent of Pop |
1985 SAT Math |
1985 SAT Verbal |
White |
69.1 |
490 |
449 |
If Blacks had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites |
12.5 |
518 |
449 |
IF Mexicans had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites |
7.2 |
518 |
449 |
If Puerto Ricans had math scores of Asians and verbal scores of Whites |
1.5 |
518 |
449 |
If Other Hispanic had math scores of Asians and verbal scores of Whites |
3.5 |
518 |
449 |
Asian |
2.9 |
518 |
404 |
If Indians had math scores of Asians and verbal scores of Whites |
0.8 |
518 |
449 |
Jews |
1.9 |
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Other |
0.6 |
490 |
449 |
Aggregate score |
489 |
439 |
Race |
Percent of Pop |
1985 SAT Math |
1985 SAT Verbal |
White |
69.1 |
490 |
449 |
Black |
12.5 |
376 |
346 |
IF Puerto Ricans had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites |
7.2 |
518 |
449 |
IF Other Hispanics had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites |
1.5 |
518 |
449 |
IF Mexicans had math score of Asians and verbal score of Whites |
3.5 |
518 |
449 |
Asian |
2.9 |
518 |
404 |
Indian |
0.8 |
428 |
392 |
Jews |
1.9 |
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Other |
0.6 |
490 |
449 |
Aggregate score |
470 |
426 |
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First of all, it isn't accurate to say that there is a testing "gap" between Hispanics and Asians that has increased dramatically in recent years. Your data is incorrect or you're cherry picking to build a case that isn't credible.
Secondly, it's so revealing whenever certain conservatives attempt to "open up" the "discussion on race". The underbelly of racism becomes very clear after a few paragraphs---or just sentences.